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Klemp's 15 year old "The Master's 4 Discourses"

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  • prometheus_973
    Why? Why are Eckankar s Higher Initiates (H.I.s) still being instructed to reread this old discourse and to sing HU? Why aren t there new/current ECK
    Message 1 of 4 , Apr 4, 2011
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      Why? Why are Eckankar's Higher Initiates
      (H.I.s) still being instructed to reread this
      old discourse and to sing HU?

      Why aren't there new/current ECK discourses,
      especially, for H.I.s?

      Is Klemp too busy rewriting, misinterpreting,
      and promoting other people's stories for material
      to fill his, basically, generic feel-good books
      for the gullible public? The only twist is that
      Klemp (as the Mahanta/God) steals the credit
      for all positive outcomes. The negative ones
      are a "test," thereby, he (the Mahanta) escapes
      responsibility for bad events. Thus, the Kal (i.e.
      Satan, Devil) is the one who is strengthening
      and testing Soul, via these "tests!" It's not the
      Mahanta because he, supposedly, cannot create
      negative situations for spiritual growth... that's
      KAL's job according to ECK scripture.

      What Eckists are still clueless about is that the
      "Inner Master" is them... Soul/Self. The "Inner
      Master" was never Twitchell, Gross, or Klemp...
      It was always a metaphor for one's Divine nature...
      Soul.

      Prometheus
    • etznab@aol.com
      What Eckists are still clueless about is that the Inner Master is them... Soul/Self. The Inner Master was never Twitchell, Gross, or Klemp... It was always
      Message 2 of 4 , Apr 4, 2011
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        What Eckists are still clueless about is that the
        "Inner Master" is them... Soul/Self. The "Inner
        Master" was never Twitchell, Gross, or Klemp...
        It was always a metaphor for one's Divine nature...
        Soul.

        ******************

        I think you're right about that.

        -----Original Message-----
        From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
        To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
        <EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Mon, Apr 4, 2011 1:42 pm
        Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Klemp's 15 year old "The Master's
        4 Discourses"

         
        Why? Why are Eckankar's Higher Initiates
        (H.I.s) still being instructed to reread this
        old discourse and to sing HU?

        Why aren't there new/current ECK discourses,
        especially, for H.I.s?

        Is Klemp too busy rewriting, misinterpreting,
        and promoting other people's stories for material
        to fill his, basically, generic feel-good books
        for the gullible public? The only twist is that
        Klemp (as the Mahanta/God) steals the credit
        for all positive outcomes. The negative ones
        are a "test," thereby, he (the Mahanta) escapes
        responsibility for bad events. Thus, the Kal (i.e.
        Satan, Devil) is the one who is strengthening
        and testing Soul, via these "tests!" It's not the
        Mahanta because he, supposedly, cannot create
        negative situations for spiritual growth... that's
        KAL's job according to ECK scripture.

        What Eckists are still clueless about is that the
        "Inner Master" is them... Soul/Self. The "Inner
        Master" was never Twitchell, Gross, or Klemp...
        It was always a metaphor for one's Divine nature...
        Soul.

        Prometheus
      • prometheus_973
        Hello Etznab and All, Isn t it incredible that Klemp s charade has gone on for this long? What s insidious about it is Klemp has no intention of showing them,
        Message 3 of 4 , Apr 5, 2011
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          Hello Etznab and All,
          Isn't it incredible that Klemp's charade
          has gone on for this long? What's insidious
          about it is Klemp has no intention of showing
          them, his flock of wannabes, "Self-Mastery"
          even if he could (which he can't)!

          He takes their money and gives them what?
          Hmmmm, let's see:

          INITIATIONS (Except these are slow to come and
          now require many hoops to jump through, and
          they stop on the outer at number 7 for 99.99%
          of ECKists. But, no problem! Just "imagine" that
          you have more on the "Inner!")

          POSITIONS (The status and titles feed the ego
          as does the higher initiation numbers. Being
          a RESA gives power to, especially, the control
          freaks and narcissists. As Above, So Below.)

          HOPE (The promises given to all those who
          need to believe due to the fear of death and/or
          loneliness. Religious doctrine creates magical
          beings and uses one's imagination to escape
          reality and to pretend they, the chosen ones,
          are more special than others.)

          Prometheus




          prometheus wrote:

          What Eckists are still clueless about is that the
          "Inner Master" is them... Soul/Self. The "Inner
          Master" was never Twitchell, Gross, or Klemp...
          It was always a metaphor for one's Divine nature...
          Soul.

          ******************
          Etznab wrote:

          I think you're right about that.



          prometheus wrote:

          Why? Why are Eckankar's Higher Initiates
          (H.I.s) still being instructed to reread this
          old discourse and to sing HU?

          Why aren't there new/current ECK discourses,
          especially, for H.I.s?

          Is Klemp too busy rewriting, misinterpreting,
          and promoting other people's stories for material
          to fill his, basically, generic feel-good books
          for the gullible public? The only twist is that
          Klemp (as the Mahanta/God) steals the credit
          for all positive outcomes. The negative ones
          are a "test," thereby, he (the Mahanta) escapes
          responsibility for bad events. Thus, the Kal (i.e.
          Satan, Devil) is the one who is strengthening
          and testing Soul, via these "tests!" It's not the
          Mahanta because he, supposedly, cannot create
          negative situations for spiritual growth... that's
          KAL's job according to ECK scripture.

          What Eckists are still clueless about is that the
          "Inner Master" is them... Soul/Self. The "Inner
          Master" was never Twitchell, Gross, or Klemp...
          It was always a metaphor for one's Divine nature...
          Soul.

          Prometheus
        • prometheus_973
          What Eckists are still clueless about is that the Inner Master is them... Soul/Self. The Inner Master was never Twitchell, Gross, or Klemp... It was always
          Message 4 of 4 , Jun 21, 2011
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            What Eckists are still clueless about is that the
            "Inner Master" is them... Soul/Self. The "Inner
            Master" was never Twitchell, Gross, or Klemp...
            It was always a metaphor for one's Divine nature...
            Soul.

            ******************

            Why? Why are Eckankar's Higher Initiates
            (H.I.s) still being instructed to reread this
            old discourse and to sing HU and to focus
            upon the Third-Eye (6th Astral Chakra)?

            Why aren't there new/current ECK discourses,
            especially, for H.I.s?

            Is Klemp too busy rewriting, misinterpreting,
            and promoting other people's stories for material
            to fill his, basically, generic feel-good books
            for the gullible public? The only twist is that
            Klemp (as the Mahanta/God) steals the credit
            for all positive outcomes. The negative ones
            are a "test," thereby, he (the Mahanta) escapes
            responsibility for bad events. Thus, the Kal (i.e.
            Satan, Devil) is the one who is strengthening
            and testing Soul, via these "tests!" It's not the
            Mahanta because he, supposedly, cannot create
            negative situations for spiritual growth... that's
            KAL's job according to ECK scripture.

            What Eckists are still clueless about is that the
            "Inner Master" is them... Soul/Self. The "Inner
            Master" was never Twitchell, Gross, or Klemp...
            It was always a metaphor for one's Divine nature...
            Soul.

            Prometheus
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