Klemp's 1983 Personal and Confidential Letter to Gross
- This is Harold Klemp's [HK] 1983 Personal
& Confidential Letter to Darwin Gross [DG]
with Gross' response.
Klemp is discrediting Darwin's validity as an ECK
Master due to and regarding DG's past conduct.
However, one wonders the timeline of the misconduct
since Klemp was initiated by Gross, as LEM, on Oct. 22,
1981. When, then, did Gross become a "Black Magician?"
BTW- Gross' responses, to HK's comments, are
written, as notations, on various parts of the Letter
including the margins and with an ink pen versus a
ballpoint. This factor, along with DG's handwriting
style, has caused me to make educated/logical guesses
(in some cases) as to the exact word DG is using in
his reply. However, I also look at the context of Klemp's
remarks (overall) in order to determine the context of
Also, I am putting into CAPS everything that Darwin
Gross, (DG), has "UNDERLINED" or "CIRCLED" in
These seem to be key points that Gross is reacting
to. The (below) beginning comments were written
by DG at the top of HK's letter.
Note: "EK A Universal Teaching" was printed on the
bottom of the first page of Klemp's letter.
[DG]: It is my belief that all this ruckus was based on ill
suspicion by you, Harold and passed on to the Board and
8th's as a power play when all was necessary was to talk
about it for you know within your own heart you have
harbored ill feelings which I would have gladly aided you
had you asked.
[HK]: "Personal and Confidential September 15, 1983
P.O. Box 837
Corvallis, Oregon 97339
Dear Darwin, As the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master,
it is my duty to write you with regard to actions you
have taken which are CONTRAY TO THE TENETS
[HK]: and doctrine of the sacred teachings
of Eckankar and which are not in the best
interests of the chelas. As the Shariyat-Ki-
[DG]: I've bent over backwards to help you, you nor the Board
asked 1 question.
[HK]: The Divine Dreamer sends out Its dreams to man via
The Mahanta, the Living Eck Master . (Book II, p.7)
[DG]: P.T. is the Mahanta to 1,000 years yet.
[HK]: the Sugmad takes control of all life through ITS
counterparts such as the Eck, the Lords, Rulers, and
Governors, of each plane, and the Eck Masters of the
Vairagi, and those beings who are co-workers of ITSELF.
All these work through and with the Mahanta, the Living
Eck Master . (p.60)
[HK]: Your ACTIONS have circumvented my spiritual authority.
The communications you have instigated with the membership
have been needlessly creating DISHARMONY and have been
MISLEADING. You would not tolerate such activity during
your Mastership and I have a similar responsibility `to defend
the works of Eck and the chelas who have put their interest in
Eck.' (From your June 1972 Wisdom Notes and the Shariyat-
Ki-Sugmad, Book I, p.101)
[DG]: What actions? I have been quiet & secluded until
you removed my secretary using. The accusations here are
H.K.'s not wishing to tell the truth.
[HK]: You should clearly understand the CONFLICT you
are generating within some chelas. The Shariyat I states,
`NEITHER CAN ANYONE FOLLOW TWO OR MORE
MASTERS AT THE SAME TIME.' (p.82) This is why it
is so often repeated in the ECK teachings that the Living
Eck Master, the holder of the Rod of Power, the Mahanta,
is the final arbiter on all matters physical and spiritual
regarding the Eck teachings. Again, from the Shariyat I:
[DG]: I'm of the mind you and the Board did this. This
is a misquote. It is up to the individual which EK master
he looks to.
[HK]: ` the Eckist finds there is only ONE MAHANTA
WITHIN EACH LIFETIME
[DG]: Which was established in Paul Twitchell for all time.
[HK]: of every Soul spent within the universe. All other Eck
Masters in the Order of the Vairagi, the Brotherhood of Eck
Masters, are know as the Maharaj.
Every Maharaj is subordinate to the Living Eck Master no
matter whom he might be, for the Mahanta holds the ECK
Rod of Power The Mahanta holds this Rod of Power until
he is translated into an esoteric
[DG]: Harold, Please Re-read the Book 2 (S-K) of the Ninth
for you were assisting.
[HK]: position within the Order of the Vairagi somewhere
within the universes as a spiritual worker or greater importance.
Then he, too, is a member of this hierarchy where before he
was the head of it and responsible directly to the Sugmad.
The Maharajs are know as the Silent Ones .' (p.160)
[DG]: Start issuing out the succor and get on with the Spiritual,
*[ME]: I Cannot find this quote about the "MAHARAJS, the
SILENT ONES" in my Shariyat 1&2 anywhere! Klemp must
have edited this out! Klemp's Eckankar Lexicon states:
MAHARAJ - THE BROTHERHOOD OF ECK MASTERS, SUBORDINATE
TO THE MAHANTA, THE LIVING ECK MASTER WHO HOLDS
THE ROD OF ECK POWER (pg.131).
How can members of the BROTHERHOOD of ECK MASTERS
(Order of Vairagi) be the NINE `SILENT ONES!' See, this is
more proof of Twitchell's made-up religion and scam, and of
Klemp's cover-up by Re-editing Twitchell's works!
[HK]: I am not unaware that `having attained the stature of the
Eck Master, it is found that there yet lies beyond, higher and
even higher stages of spiritual evolution.' (Shariyat II, p.75)
But, `the Eck Masters live mainly in seclusion' (Shariyat II,
[DG]: That is each EK Master's Decision.
[HK]: `All the Masters of Eckankar generally live in a RETREAT
or inaccessible places,
[DG]: You kicked me out of mine and cancelled my Life
[HK]: or, if in the Western countries, every effort is made to
conceal their identity. Their presence is universal; in India,
Tibet, Egypt, China, Lebanon, Cyprus, Hungary, and other
nations of the world.
However, THERE IS ONLY one Mahanta, the Living
ECK Master, WHO HAS CHARGE OVER ALL .'
(Shariyat II, p.77)
[DG] Not in the Spiritual Planes! Sorry, the Sugmad has it.
You want me to lie, huh?! No way
[HK]: It is meant for the Living Eck Master, THE MAHANTA,
TO HAVE THE LAST WORD IN THE RUNNING OF THE
PHYSICAL ORGANIZATION OF ECKANKAR.
[DG]: P.T. Spiritually. This is up to the Board Not L.E.M.
*[ME]: As I see it this is the chief flaw with Darwin's whole
perspective, AND which Klemp took advantage of and corrected!
The Top Dog Mahanta s/b the sole authority over everything
Eckankar and Darwin should have seen this! LOL! The tenure
of the Board of Eckankar members is (now) for a one year
period, however, they can be replaced at any given time, and
for whatever reason, by the LEM/Mahanta. The votes and input
by the BOARD are at the pleasure of the LEM/Mahanta and
can be rejected at anytime, for any reason, or for no reason!
[HK]: You should know as well as I that this authority IS
BESTOWED FOR DEEPLY SPIRITUAL REASONS, and
not for personal or material factors.
[DG]: Not true.
[HK]: No other past Eck Master in Eckankar's history has
SOUGHT TO EXERT CONTROL OVER THE PHYSICAL
VEHICLE OF THE SACRED TEACHING PAST HIS TIME.
[DG]: This is not true.
[HK]: The rumors and negative gossip are not emanating from
the direction of the Eckankar Office. If you are concerned
about such gossip and rumors perhaps you should take note of
your previous teaching:
[DG]: What about yours & the phone calls? and other statements
made of me which where false & defamatory from you & the
new Board of trustees.
`By involving themselves in such gossip, Eckists are taking
on karmic ties with the individuals they are judging and they
may be sorry they started it.' (your May/June 1980 Mystic
World article entitled "Criticizing Others")
As you further wrote in that same article,
`I have written personal letters to certain individuals asking
them to stop their bickering and work together harmoniously
in their communities and they don't seem to realize the hard-
ships they are creating by ignoring the requests of the Living
[DG]: Come on, Harold Let's work together!
[HK]: My letter to the membership and other communications
from the office have been healing in nature your actions have
not been so.
[DG]: Not true. My H.I. & personal mail stops at the EK office.
You need to talk and look for yourself in the Physical world
of the much unrest amongst the membership.
[HK]: As the physical and spiritual leader of Eckankar,
I AM THE ONE WHO DECIDES WHAT COMMUNICATIONS
ARE MAILED TO THE CHELAS AND TO THE PUBLIC
FROM ECKANKAR not a past Eck master. This is consistent
entirely with my role and the role of the Living Eck Master
[DG]: This is not true for I have a Spiritual and Physical
Responsibility to many initiates in ECKANKAR. Also Stop
Editing my articles Please. It is only truth of the Boards action
that I wished to let the membership know of. This is our
*[ME]: My reply to Klemp: The only "throughout time" began
with Twitchell. HK bought into the LIE with the rest of us,
however, at some point-in-time he discovered the truth which
he has kept hidden as he became more powerful and, thus, HK
perpetuates the LIE of Eckankar even further for his own benefit
[HK]: Eckankar doctrine is something which falls EXCLUSIVELY
UNDER MY JURISDICTION, TO USE LANGUAGE YOUR LAWYER
[DG]: Not true. This is a free world where free speech and
movement is regarded highly.
[HK]: Neither he, or any judge, or any past Living Eck Master,
has any authority in the area. Rebazar Tarzs does not need a
special mailing to communicat with Eck chelas, nor does
Yaubl Sacabi, Fubbi Quantz, or Peddar Zaskq. They understand
their role to assist me in the work that needs to be done.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR YOU TO WRITE A FOUR-PAGE
LETTER TO CHELAS ATTEMPTING TO JUSTIFY YOUR
ACTIONS. An Eck master has no trouble spiritually with those
in his charge.
[DG]: Only to let the truth be known. What did I do wrong?
Four authors is in true if edited Word only. Please read them.
*[ME]: My reply to Klemp: Why Does Klemp, himself, STILL
Need OUTER mailings or OUTER Trainings, Guidelines,
Discourses, Member Only Books, Rules, Newsletters, etc. for
the Mahanta Klemp to communicate with his Chelas? He says
REBAZAR doesn't need mailings and, therefore, Gross shouldn't
need mailings to communicate! HK doesn't practice what he
preaches does he! He talks the talk, but can't walk the walk
himself because HK (the Mahanta) IS A FRAUD! Imagination
& Dreams are common and universal with everyone in the world
and the Religions take advantage of these facts! After 25 years,
Due to his layering of lies, HK is even lower, in consciousness,
than when he began! Just look at the CON of these other Modern
Day Godmen!!! ECKists need to Shift their perspective in order
to see the Truth "behind the curtain" of their own religion too!
[HK]: At this point, Darwin, you have shown that you do not
know of the doctrinal rules of the Living Eck Master and prior
Living Eck Masters. These prior Living Eck Masters are working
quietly and harmoniously behind the scenes.
[DG]: I do Know of The Doctrinal Rules of ECK. This is
why I have been quiet!!!
*[ME]: Klemp continues the delusion/illusion and scam
by stating that there were "prior" LEMs versus only PT
[HK]: I leave open the possibility that this matter will heal
and that you once again can handle the responsibilities
involved with the assisting me, the Mahanta, the Living Eck
[DG]: You do not decide how or what I do with my life. DG
I had stepped aside 2 years ago with Full Awareness of my
Responsibilities to the L.E.M. I have not, Nor Planned to split
the membership as I stated in a letter to the Board, I Joined
hands with you (H.K.) to resolved this misunderstanding and
you Refused to Join me in this attempt to stop all the rumors.
All I have asked for is The Truth to be quoted and the Life Time
Agreement Between ECKANKAR and Sri Darwin Gross Ful
Filled. However, the Board Knows No Human decency nor
Ethics as we have put forth to the World in EK. What you do
to me you do to Sri Paul Twitchell and all of the EK Masters-
including yourself. I've always been ready to sit down and
work out any differences between us. Please let us help those
who need help. DG
*[ME]: Once again, Gross makes the mistake of giving the
ECKANKAR Board of Officers and Trustees too much
power. Klemp quickly corrected this flaw! After all, how
can anyone have authority over the 14th circle Mahanta!!!
- Hello All,
I just read this info on
Darwin in a private email:
"Darwin also married Carole Roddick
from London England in early 80s.
Marriage may have lasted up to 1yr.
(I know this first hand, as met her
several times when she was D's wife)
After marriage fell apart, Carole left
ekult. Following this, I heard (third
hand) she had many mental health
issues (not surprising, eh!)"
> Hello Diana,
> Yes, Darwin's wife, in 1981,
> was from Norway.
> DG and his wife, Sirpa, had dinner
> with Harold and Marge at "Mama's"
> in Los Altos at the Stanford Mall
> on Saturday September 19, 1981
> at 7:30 p.m. [Soul Travelers of the
> Far Country, pg. 200]
> On page 159 Klemp states this:
> "He (Darwin Gross) remained the
> agent of the SUGMAD until Oct.
> 22, 1981. By 1983, however,
> events caught up to him; his
> spiritual insubordination led to
> hus removal from the Order of
> Vairagi Adepts."
> HOWEVER, isn't it true that
> Darwin had "fallen" years prior
> to Oct. 22, 1981 let alone 1983?
> Were/are the so-called ECK
> Vairagi Adepts like the "Pinball
> Wizard" Blind, Deaf, and Dumb?
> Since Diana Stanley has testified
> that Darwin had, obviously, fallen
> from Sugmad's Grace via actions
> unbecoming to an ECK Master,
> prior to 1981, this means that
> Klemp is not, legally, the LEM
> or the Mahanta.
> Perhaps this is why Klemp attempts
> to rewrite history and uses the
> imaginary Rebazar as a backup
> singer (HUer) or fill-in ECK Master?
> The problem is that Rebazar
> will/can never testify that this
> is, in fact, the case! LOL! The
> really big problem that Klemp
> has using the Rebazar excuse
> is that RT is not supposed to be
> an angelic like or invisible being.
> Rebazar is actually supposed
> to have a 500 year old Physical
> Body. So, where is he? Have him
> show up at a Seminar! After all,
> Klemp's the Mahanta and is RT's
> boss! If RT doesn't show up then
> fire him for insubordination!
> dianastanley wrote:
> For me Etznab it was a dark time because from 71 to 82, I slowly went from a
> true believer to finally knowing the truth. For me the truth was slowy unvailed.
> First it was rumors then as I was included in the inner circle of people Darwin
> liked and was compforable with,I began to see first hand Darwin deteriate into a
> very sick man.
> I saw him drunk and knew several of his girlfriends.
> Once at a HI talk at the menlo office,which he did on Fridays, He was talking
> about going overseas to the World Wide seminar. He said------can't go with me as
> she is too frail to travel now. So it was no secret to us that he was having an
> affair with ------.
> When this lady found out he was a fake,she dropped him and left Eckankar. He
> then briefly married her friend who was also from overseas. I think it lasted a
> few months. Then I was told he married an airline stuardess. I don't know if
> that is true or not. Between and during marrages he had affairs. I personaly
> knew some of the women, it was so sad. They believed they were chosen by the
> Mahanta. Kind of like sarificial virgins.
> oh dear I am starting to rant agin
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
> <prometheus_973@> wrote:
> > Hello Etznab,
> > I don't see how someone can say that
> > 1979-81 were "the darkest years" ever
> > experienced to be an Eckist. However,
> > I don't know exactly when Darwin began
> > his womanizing, drinking, drug behaviours.
> > Maybe Diana can pin this down as to
> > when this started? Was it when he was
> > still married to Gail or afterwards? Also,
> > I wonder "why" they divorced and who's
> > idea it was? Gail still hung around for
> > awhile after the divorce and was even
> > given an "atta girl" plaque by Darwin.
> > IMO 1983-84 were the most difficult and
> > "darkest" years for Eckists [Until Klemp
> > officially made Eckankar a "Religion" and
> > created the "RESA" Police].
> > I recall that at the 1982 EWWS (in San Fran)
> > that both DG & HK were on stage together
> > and most of us were thinking, cool, two ECK
> > Masters! That's better than just one!
> > However, by the time the (Easter) Creative Arts
> > Festival (a.k.a. EK Youth Seminar) came in 1983
> > (held in St. Louis) one could see that there were
> > definitely two separate camps. After the seminar
> > I had what Eckists call a "Waking Dream" or in
> > this case a prophecy experience. While walking
> > to my car I found an 8x10 glossy black and white
> > photo of Darwin, in a tux, blowing across the
> > parking lot. Of course, as an Eckist, I was looking
> > at the hidden meaning of this and wondered if
> > Darwin would soon be outside of Eckankar and
> > down in the dirt, so to speak.
> > The way the two EK Masters reacted to each
> > other, the suspicion, and the tension in the
> > air really made people wonder what was going
> > on. I remember that I had Darwin sign something
> > for me, (maybe a record). And, of course, his
> > entourage was there lined up on the stage with
> > him. I thought it was odd that he had to bend
> > over for each of us, but it did give them a higher
> > elevation to observe people. I did notice there
> > was another small group observing everything
> > from the back of the hall. Later, I was volunteering
> > in the children's room and Harold, of course,
> > came by. HK looked over at me and gave me
> > what I perceived as a sort of a frown or a scowl.
> > It made me wonder what I had done to deserve
> > that "look" from the LEM. Of course, later, it
> > made me think that I and others had been observed
> > hanging with DG and his band of heros (or zeros).
> > Guilt by association?!
> > Anyway, by 1984 the schism was in full swing
> > and Eckists had left by the droves. This was the
> > biggest loss of members ever! That's why I say
> > that 1979-1981 wasn't the worst of times and
> > "the darkest years" to be an Eckist. For the majority
> > of members it was 1983-84... later, it began around
> > 1985-87 when Klemp was doing his rewrites of
> > EK history and a recreation of Eckankar. Every
> > so many years HK has added more restrictions
> > and hoops for Eckists to jump through.
> > Prometheus
> > etznab@ wrote:
> > Do the math.
> > When did David Lane start writing his term paper?
> > How about 1977?
> > "Sensing the damage that the publication of David Lane's research would
> > have on Eckankar, its lawyer, Alan Nichols, attempted to refute the
> > charge that Paul [Paul Twitchell] had plagiarized the works of Julian
> > Johnson. [....]"
> > Ford Johnson, Confessions of a God Seeker, A Journey to Higher
> > Consciousness, p. 124
> > When did David Lane finish his manuscript and copies of it "circulated"
> > to a number of different Eckists?
> > How about 1978?
> > When did Darwin announce his and Gail's divorce?
> > Again. How about 1978?
> > When did Gail allegedly have a conversation with Ann Arnold about
> > Eckankar over a dinner?
> > How about 1978?
> > *******************************************************
> > "[....] The time period between 79 and 81 would be the darkest years
> > that any of us had experienced since we were in ECK. [....]"