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  • prometheus_973
    There were two things that I found interesting with the story line. One, is that this guy Stone (Ed Norton) finds Eckankar in prison and thinks it s cool
    Message 1 of 4 , Nov 22, 2010
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      There were two things that I found
      interesting with the story line. One,
      is that this guy "Stone" (Ed Norton)
      finds Eckankar in prison and thinks
      it's cool that Eckankar believes that
      we all start out as "stones." Hence,
      the name he gives himself. Of course
      that's not quite right since Eckists
      actually believe that we start out as
      Soul. But there is that mineral state
      of con that is talked about early on.
      I always thought it was a stretch
      of the imagination (B.S.) since what
      would be the purpose of being a rock
      after a few hours let alone centuries?
      Perhaps this story is a way to explain
      away why Gakko came here 6 million
      years ago. He was communicating with
      stones via the mineral state of consciousness!

      Another thing that stands out is Stone's
      girlfriend is talking about how dangerous
      microwaves and cellphones are and using
      magnet therapy to rid people of toxins.
      This sounds like some of Klemp's nutty
      talk about harmful EMR/EMF waves in the
      air!

      Then there's that Sound and Light
      thing that Twitchell "borrowed" from
      Sant Mat.

      Of course Stone doesn't quite understand
      how one makes it to the next "level"
      in Eckankar. It doesn't happen on
      your own and it requires money and
      a membership card. Leveling up is
      the "initiation" process. It seems like
      Stone is showing Eckists that they
      don't need a LEM or a Mahanta to
      become a spiritual "traveler."

      It's also interesting to read that
      Stone develops a much more
      subdued personality. Eckists are
      like that too... zoned out zombies
      who are always smiling (well, at
      seminars anyway). It's taking a
      matter-of-fact karmic attitude
      towards life.

      I will have to say that religion can
      unlock feelings and insights that
      might never have been discovered
      otherwise, but then we can let it
      go. When the dogma begins to limit
      us and what we can say and believe
      then it's time to walk away... you've
      learned all you need from that path.

      ************************************
      Eckankar and the LEM (Arnold) will
      be mentioned in the movie "Stone."

      Here's a site that has a review...

      http://smellslikescreenspirit.com/2010/10/stone-review-2/

      http://www.badassdigest.com/2010/11/08/one-of-the-best-science-fiction-films-thi\
      s-year-is-stone

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz42ekTrx7o

      I wonder who the ECKist is that got their "message" out?

      Here's more in the review of the movie:

      "Dialogue and story points. Edward Norton plays Stone, a prisoner who's been in
      the clink for eight years for helping in the murder of his grandparents. In his
      initial meeting with Jack he pleads to be put on parole so he can be with his
      wife, Lucetta (Jovovich), who has been helping prepare his post-prison life.
      When Jack asks about Stone's wife, Stone replies "She's an alien. An alien man."

      Stone is feeling uneasy, rightfully so, about his chances getting parole and
      decides to send Lucetta on a mission to seduce Jack. As she begins to ingratiate
      herself into Jack's world, Lucetta initiates a bit of small talk with him by
      brining up the idea of magnet therapy and how it helps rid people of toxins:
      "It's all the microwaves and cell phones – everything going through the air that
      we can't see." Um, science fiction much?

      Eckankar: Experience the Sound and Light of God. While Stone waits to hear if
      his blackmailing plan is successful he bides his time looking for a way to ease
      his mind. First, he tries reading about Christianity, but when that proves
      uninspiring he discovers a pamphlet on a New Age-esque religion based on a real
      world religion called Eckankar. The idea behind it is that we can connect with
      God through sound and light. Suddenly, Stone is enamored by the idea and slowly
      begins to change into a much more subdued personality.

      The other component to the religion is the idea that everyone starts off as
      stones and have to work their way up to become human beings. To me, this
      solidifies the idea of Norton's character as being some sort of traveller, not a
      vagabond in the basic sense, but in the extraterrestrial sense. He knows and
      feels that he has another purpose, a bigger purpose and this strange religion
      has somehow unlocked it.

      It isn't just this one concept that brings him to his ultimate epiphany, however
      it's his witnessing of a fellow prisoner dying infront of his eyes that finally
      makes Stone feel like he has succeeded in working his way up to the "next
      level." Stone looks into the dying man's eyes and as his life expires Stone
      suddenly flinches back as if something had been transferred between the two.
      Your typical prison shanking scene it is not.

      It's about Religion. Sure, taking any of the elements above on their own could
      define the movie as being about one man's discovery of religion and becoming
      born again. However director John Curran deftly mixes all these elements into
      something that looks, sounds, and feels like science fiction. Take Scientology,
      it's nothing other then a science fiction creation wrapped within the notion of
      God. Or the idea of The Force in Star Wars (with its proper noun capitalization
      and all) that turns the basis of religion into science fiction with Obi Wan as
      its Pope and Yoda as its Jesus.

      There's many more levels to this, but I'll let this sit with you for now until I
      watch it again. Seriously, there's a lot of stuff going on in Stone and I'm just
      starting to uncover the layers. All I know is that it out incepted Inception
      which makes it one of the best science fiction films of the year so far.

      May the Eckankar be with you."
    • etznab@aol.com
      Do they really mention the word Eckankar in the movie? I read one of the reviews and saw something about Zuckangor instead of Eckankar - and something about
      Message 2 of 4 , Nov 23, 2010
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        Do they really mention the word Eckankar
        in the movie?

        I read one of the reviews and saw something
        about Zuckangor instead of Eckankar - and
        something about Arnold instead of Harold.

        Etznab

        -----Original Message-----
        From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
        To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 12:32 am
        Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Oh No! Eckankar made it to
        the movies!

         
        There were two things that I found
        interesting with the story line. One,
        is that this guy "Stone" (Ed Norton)
        finds Eckankar in prison and thinks
        it's cool that Eckankar believes that
        we all start out as "stones." Hence,
        the name he gives himself. Of course
        that's not quite right since Eckists
        actually believe that we start out as
        Soul. But there is that mineral state
        of con that is talked about early on.
        I always thought it was a stretch
        of the imagination (B.S.) since what
        would be the purpose of being a rock
        after a few hours let alone centuries?
        Perhaps this story is a way to explain
        away why Gakko came here 6 million
        years ago. He was communicating with
        stones via the mineral state of consciousness!

        Another thing that stands out is Stone's
        girlfriend is talking about how dangerous
        microwaves and cellphones are and using
        magnet therapy to rid people of toxins.
        This sounds like some of Klemp's nutty
        talk about harmful EMR/EMF waves in the
        air!

        Then there's that Sound and Light
        thing that Twitchell "borrowed" from
        Sant Mat.

        Of course Stone doesn't quite understand
        how one makes it to the next "level"
        in Eckankar. It doesn't happen on
        your own and it requires money and
        a membership card. Leveling up is
        the "initiation" process. It seems like
        Stone is showing Eckists that they
        don't need a LEM or a Mahanta to
        become a spiritual "traveler."

        It's also interesting to read that
        Stone develops a much more
        subdued personality. Eckists are
        like that too... zoned out zombies
        who are always smiling (well, at
        seminars anyway). It's taking a
        matter-of-fact karmic attitude
        towards life.

        I will have to say that religion can
        unlock feelings and insights that
        might never have been discovered
        otherwise, but then we can let it
        go. When the dogma begins to limit
        us and what we can say and believe
        then it's time to walk away... you've
        learned all you need from that path.

        ************************************
        Eckankar and the LEM (Arnold) will
        be mentioned in the movie "Stone."

        Here's a site that has a review...

        http://smellslikescreenspirit.com/2010/10/stone-review-2/

        http://www.badassdigest.com/2010/11/08/one-of-the-best-science-fiction-films-thi\
        s-year-is-stone

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz42ekTrx7o

        I wonder who the ECKist is that got their "message" out?

        Here's more in the review of the movie:

        "Dialogue and story points. Edward Norton plays Stone, a prisoner who's
        been in
        the clink for eight years for helping in the murder of his
        grandparents. In his
        initial meeting with Jack he pleads to be put on parole so he can be
        with his
        wife, Lucetta (Jovovich), who has been helping prepare his post-prison
        life.
        When Jack asks about Stone's wife, Stone replies "She's an alien. An
        alien man."

        Stone is feeling uneasy, rightfully so, about his chances getting
        parole and
        decides to send Lucetta on a mission to seduce Jack. As she begins to
        ingratiate
        herself into Jack's world, Lucetta initiates a bit of small talk with
        him by
        brining up the idea of magnet therapy and how it helps rid people of
        toxins:
        "It's all the microwaves and cell phones – everything going through the
        air that
        we can't see." Um, science fiction much?

        Eckankar: Experience the Sound and Light of God. While Stone waits to
        hear if
        his blackmailing plan is successful he bides his time looking for a way
        to ease
        his mind. First, he tries reading about Christianity, but when that
        proves
        uninspiring he discovers a pamphlet on a New Age-esque religion based
        on a real
        world religion called Eckankar. The idea behind it is that we can
        connect with
        God through sound and light. Suddenly, Stone is enamored by the idea
        and slowly
        begins to change into a much more subdued personality.

        The other component to the religion is the idea that everyone starts
        off as
        stones and have to work their way up to become human beings. To me, this
        solidifies the idea of Norton's character as being some sort of
        traveller, not a
        vagabond in the basic sense, but in the extraterrestrial sense. He
        knows and
        feels that he has another purpose, a bigger purpose and this strange
        religion
        has somehow unlocked it.

        It isn't just this one concept that brings him to his ultimate
        epiphany, however
        it's his witnessing of a fellow prisoner dying infront of his eyes that
        finally
        makes Stone feel like he has succeeded in working his way up to the
        "next
        level." Stone looks into the dying man's eyes and as his life expires
        Stone
        suddenly flinches back as if something had been transferred between the
        two.
        Your typical prison shanking scene it is not.

        It's about Religion. Sure, taking any of the elements above on their
        own could
        define the movie as being about one man's discovery of religion and
        becoming
        born again. However director John Curran deftly mixes all these
        elements into
        something that looks, sounds, and feels like science fiction. Take
        Scientology,
        it's nothing other then a science fiction creation wrapped within the
        notion of
        God. Or the idea of The Force in Star Wars (with its proper noun
        capitalization
        and all) that turns the basis of religion into science fiction with Obi
        Wan as
        its Pope and Yoda as its Jesus.

        There's many more levels to this, but I'll let this sit with you for
        now until I
        watch it again. Seriously, there's a lot of stuff going on in Stone and
        I'm just
        starting to uncover the layers. All I know is that it out incepted
        Inception
        which makes it one of the best science fiction films of the year so far.

        May the Eckankar be with you."
      • prometheus_973
        Hello Etznab, I listed two sites with reviews and quoted one where they mentioned Eckankar by name and gave other details. I guess you ll have to see the movie
        Message 3 of 4 , Nov 23, 2010
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          Hello Etznab,
          I listed two sites with reviews and
          quoted one where they mentioned
          Eckankar by name and gave other
          details. I guess you'll have to see
          the movie for yourself to know what
          is actually said about Eckankar.

          etznab@... wrote:
          >
          >
          > Do they really mention the word Eckankar
          > in the movie?
          >
          > I read one of the reviews and saw something
          > about Zuckangor instead of Eckankar - and
          > something about Arnold instead of Harold.
          >
          >Etznab

          Prometheus wrote:

          There were two things that I found
          interesting with the story line. One,
          is that this guy "Stone" (Ed Norton)
          finds Eckankar in prison and thinks
          it's cool that Eckankar believes that
          we all start out as "stones." Hence,
          the name he gives himself. Of course
          that's not quite right since Eckists
          actually believe that we start out as
          Soul. But there is that mineral state
          of con that is talked about early on.
          I always thought it was a stretch
          of the imagination (B.S.) since what
          would be the purpose of being a rock
          after a few hours let alone centuries?
          Perhaps this story is a way to explain
          away why Gakko came here 6 million
          years ago. He was communicating with
          stones via the mineral state of consciousness!

          Another thing that stands out is Stone's
          girlfriend is talking about how dangerous
          microwaves and cellphones are and using
          magnet therapy to rid people of toxins.
          This sounds like some of Klemp's nutty
          talk about harmful EMR/EMF waves in the
          air!

          Then there's that Sound and Light
          thing that Twitchell "borrowed" from
          Sant Mat.

          Of course Stone doesn't quite understand
          how one makes it to the next "level"
          in Eckankar. It doesn't happen on
          your own and it requires money and
          a membership card. Leveling up is
          the "initiation" process. It seems like
          Stone is showing Eckists that they
          don't need a LEM or a Mahanta to
          become a spiritual "traveler."

          It's also interesting to read that
          Stone develops a much more
          subdued personality. Eckists are
          like that too... zoned out zombies
          who are always smiling (well, at
          seminars anyway). It's taking a
          matter-of-fact karmic attitude
          towards life.

          I will have to say that religion can
          unlock feelings and insights that
          might never have been discovered
          otherwise, but then we can let it
          go. When the dogma begins to limit
          us and what we can say and believe
          then it's time to walk away... you've
          learned all you need from that path.

          ************************************
          Eckankar and the LEM (Arnold) will
          be mentioned in the movie "Stone."

          Here's a site that has a review...

          http://smellslikescreenspirit.com/2010/10/stone-review-2/

          http://www.badassdigest.com/2010/11/08/one-of-the-best-science-fiction-films-thi\
          \
          s-year-is-stone

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz42ekTrx7o

          I wonder who the ECKist is that got their "message" out?

          Here's more in the review of the movie:

          "Dialogue and story points. Edward Norton plays Stone, a prisoner who's been in
          the clink for eight years for helping in the murder of his grandparents. In his
          initial meeting with Jack he pleads to be put on parole so he can be with his
          wife, Lucetta (Jovovich), who has been helping prepare his post-prison life.
          When Jack asks about Stone's wife, Stone replies "She's an alien. An alien man."

          Stone is feeling uneasy, rightfully so, about his chances getting parole and
          decides to send Lucetta on a mission to seduce Jack. As she begins to ingratiate
          herself into Jack's world, Lucetta initiates a bit of small talk with him by
          brining up the idea of magnet therapy and how it helps rid people of toxins:
          "It's all the microwaves and cell phones – everything going through the air that
          we can't see." Um, science fiction much?

          Eckankar: Experience the Sound and Light of God. While Stone waits to hear if
          his blackmailing plan is successful he bides his time looking for a way to ease
          his mind. First, he tries reading about Christianity, but when that proves
          uninspiring he discovers a pamphlet on a New Age-esque religion based on a real
          world religion called Eckankar. The idea behind it is that we can connect with
          God through sound and light. Suddenly, Stone is enamored by the idea and slowly
          begins to change into a much more subdued personality.

          The other component to the religion is the idea that everyone starts off as
          stones and have to work their way up to become human beings. To me, this
          solidifies the idea of Norton's character as being some sort of traveller, not a
          vagabond in the basic sense, but in the extraterrestrial sense. He knows and
          feels that he has another purpose, a bigger purpose and this strange religion
          has somehow unlocked it.

          It isn't just this one concept that brings him to his ultimate epiphany, however
          it's his witnessing of a fellow prisoner dying infront of his eyes that finally
          makes Stone feel like he has succeeded in working his way up to the "next
          level." Stone looks into the dying man's eyes and as his life expires Stone
          suddenly flinches back as if something had been transferred between the two.
          Your typical prison shanking scene it is not.

          It's about Religion. Sure, taking any of the elements above on their own could
          define the movie as being about one man's discovery of religion and becoming
          born again. However director John Curran deftly mixes all these elements into
          something that looks, sounds, and feels like science fiction. Take Scientology,
          it's nothing other then a science fiction creation wrapped within the notion of
          God. Or the idea of The Force in Star Wars (with its proper noun capitalization
          and all) that turns the basis of religion into science fiction with Obi Wan as
          its Pope and Yoda as its Jesus.

          There's many more levels to this, but I'll let this sit with you for now until I
          watch it again. Seriously, there's a lot of stuff going on in Stone and I'm just
          starting to uncover the layers. All I know is that it out incepted Inception
          which makes it one of the best science fiction films of the year so far.

          May the Eckankar be with you."
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