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Re: PT's: The Way of Eckankar Series, Lecture Two

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  • prometheus_973
    Hello Etznab and All, I really don t know when this book was put together, or if it was done so by Paul or by Darwin. However, since these lectures were from
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      Hello Etznab and All,
      I really don't know when this book
      was put together, or if it was done
      so by Paul or by Darwin.

      However, since these lectures were
      from 1966 it's only logical to set
      this date as a reference point in
      determining when this could have
      been put in book form.

      After all, this very small book could
      have been retyped and formatted
      from PT's notes not long after the
      lectures were given. Possibly, these
      small books could have been sold
      at PT's lectures as a promotion of
      his newly created Eckankar.

      On the other hand this book could
      have been put together soon after
      Paul's death (maybe by 1973). People
      were still very loyal to Paul when
      Darwin and Gail took over and everyone,
      especially a non-writer like Darwin,
      wanted to bring out and use as much
      of Paul's old unpublished materials
      as possible. Much of this unpublished
      material has been used in the EK
      discourses.

      So, my guess is that these lectures
      were put together, in book form,
      between 1966 and 1973.

      What's interesting is that Klemp
      has access to all of PT's old materials
      (lectures, etc.), but has chosen
      not to reproduce and share it
      with the ECK Membership (only).
      Why? What's wrong?

      Prometheus



      etznab wrote:
      >
      >
      > Checking messages 4977, 4980
      > and 4983 I couldn't tell what
      > the copyright for that book.
      >
      > What year did that come out?
      > I mean, the book transcript?
      >
      > Etznab
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@> wrote:
      > >
      > > The following excerpts are from "Lecture
      > > Number Two" [08/1966] of "The Way of
      > > Eckankar Series" by Paul Twitchell.
      > >
      > > "Eckankar as a Path to God:
      > >
      > > ... But there are actually three major
      > > fields, that you can break all of this
      > > down in. The FIRST one is the intellectual
      > > field or the PATH of the INTELLECT,
      > > which is concerned with the mind.
      > >
      > > This is all of the lower areas of, I'd
      > > say the field of the mind... this was
      > > actually opened up in modern times
      > > by Judge Troward in about 1890, in
      > > what he called New Thought... the
      > > field of New Thought grew a number
      > > of other groups like the Christian
      > > Science Church, Church of Religious
      > > Sciences and many other groups...
      > > It is a field in formal education that
      > > we are working in--to sharpen the
      > > senses, the physical senses, to get
      > > all of the understanding through the
      > > physical senses... Now mind you this
      > > is all right when we are living in this
      > > physical world, but it comes back to
      > > the point that this is completely and
      > > opposite of the spiritual law and the
      > > spiritual action, the modus operandi
      > > of Spirit.
      > >
      > > {more of my caps follow}
      > >
      > > We come then into a SECOND FIELD,
      > > in which we call the COSMIC CONSCIENCE
      > > PATH... It can start here in the physical
      > > world and it can work up to the SOUL
      > > PLANE. The COSMIC CONSCIENCE
      > > is a word for GOD-ENLIGHTENMENT,
      > > or GOD-KNOWLEDGE, or GOD-
      > > REALIZATION, which is false terminology
      > > for it, BUT we find this is a field that,
      > > in which the Vedantas, the Hindu religions,
      > > many of the eastern religions will fall
      > > under because they are actually working
      > > for this COSMIC CONSCIENCE and in
      > > other words, they are illuminating the
      > > inner senses so that they will have what
      > > we term the WORD, WISDOM and
      > > KNOWLEDGE. And this is what we're
      > > seeking, actually the WISDOM of GOD
      > > which is a violation of the LAW of the
      > > SPIRIT.
      > >
      > > I had explained some of this in my
      > > August letter [ECKANKAR: Illuminated
      > > Way Letters, August 1966, pg.17] which
      > > will be out in a few days BUT very briefly,
      > > this seems to be the thing. It becomes
      > > a fad and a vogue for many people to
      > > study the complexities of the eastern
      > > religions, to learn how to find their way
      > > to God through the illuminated or the
      > > cosmic conscience state. Now this of
      > > itself is, to me, a wrong path although
      > > it is another path.
      > >
      > > The THIRD PATH is a path of BILOCATION,
      > > or that which we know as SOUL TRAVEL.
      > > ... This is an Ancient Path, which came
      > > out of the misty past. There was Many,
      > > Many Centuries ago, ABOUT THE BEGINNING
      > > OF THE TIME OF EARTH, A RELIGION
      > > THAT WAS FORMED THAT CAME OFF
      > > THE PLANET, VENUS, AND WENT DOWN
      > > THROUGH THE SPIRITUAL CITY OF
      > > AGAM DES, AND THEY CALLED IT AT
      > > THAT TIME, THE NAACAL RELIGION.
      > > Anyway, it was a religion that was formed
      > > out of the SOUL FLIGHT, which has become
      > > now as ECKANKAR today. The records
      > > of this are kept in the TWO or THREE,
      > > I believe it's TWO, very remote monasteries
      > > in TIBET, in which they have not been invaded
      > > by the Chinese yet.
      > >
      > > BUT no one will be able to get to these,
      > > because it is well guarded and the monks
      > > there and the abbots keep a very strict
      > > watch over them, and they have some
      > > of the records in the city, the spiritual
      > > city of Agam Des, which is up in the
      > > wildest part of the Himalayan Mountains
      > > in what is called the Hindu Kush range.
      > > I say some of those peaks there run up
      > > into fifteen, twenty-five thousand feet
      > > high. And even when planes come down
      > > through those mountains out of those
      > > Eastern countries like PERSIA and
      > > Russia, they have to fly between the
      > > mountains. They never fly over them
      > > because they go so high that the question
      > > of oxygen--they can't get oxygen or
      > > the planes pressurized at that height.
      > >
      > > Well, anyway, what I'm trying to say
      > > here--that these are three paths, the
      > > overall paths that we follow to that of
      > > reaching the Ultimate... the Mental
      > > Path... the Cosmic Conscience Path...
      > > the Soul Path...
      > >
      > > We of ourselves cannot change anyone's
      > > consciousness. IF we do change anyone's
      > > consciousness, then we take the burden
      > > of that upon ourselves. In a sense, this is
      > > a type of karma. We are putting ourselves
      > > in a position of saying that we are actually
      > > taking responsibility for making the change
      > > within this individual...
      > >
      > > Now, this is why that many of those who
      > > are called High Masters may die of an
      > > early age, or die of an affliction, or an
      > > incurable disease, is because he, of
      > > himself, has picked this up from someone
      > > else, and he Does Not in some form
      > > throw it off for some reason that it is
      > > unknown to us, perhaps that he gets
      > > stuck with this, and he Cannot get it out
      > > of his consciousness, or he Does Not
      > > allow it to go into the stream of the
      > > HOLY SPIRIT and be dissolved by
      > > itself. The longer that it stays within
      > > us, is the harder that it becomes...
      > >
      > > This point, which I briefly will go to
      > > now as to the Seeking of WISDOM,
      > > is that which I spoke about a few
      > > minutes ago, that WE SHOULD NEVER
      > > SEEK THE ASPECTS OF GOD, or
      > > the ATTRIBUTES OF GOD. And
      > > WISDOM is one of the ATTRIBUTES
      > > like Wisdom, Love, Karma, Cause and
      > > Effect, and the other attributes.
      > >
      > > We then are only seeking the Lower
      > > part, the Lower things of God, instead
      > > of seeking the fullness. We must seek
      > > the one thing, and the one thing is the
      > > Ultimate Reality. And when we do this,
      > > then we ourselves must enter in as I
      > > said in the last lecture, assume the role
      > > of that who is in this state of consciousness."
      > > [end]
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Isn't it interesting that Twitchell [in Aug. 1966]
      > > has referred to Cosmic Conscience as being
      > > the same as God-Realization! Plus, PT mentioned
      > > the Holy Spirit at different times in this lecture
      > > and never mentions the ECK. Also, PT mentions
      > > the "Ultimate Reality" but not Sugmad! And,
      > > there's no mention of the Mahanta either!
      > > What's this about Not seeking Wisdom, Love,
      > > Karma, and Cause and Effect. BTW- Didn't
      > > PT know that Cause and Effect is Karma!
      > >
      > > Plus, Twit mentions "High Masters" who die
      > > at an early age because they are unable to
      > > let go of Karma and send it to the Holy Spirit
      > > to be dissolved! Is this why Twitchell died at
      > > an early age? Reading this was quite fun
      > > because I could tell when Twit was making
      > > it all up (lying) as he went along during his
      > > twisting of facts. Actually, one just needs to
      > > see when he's moving his lips to know when
      > > he's lying!
      > >
      > > According to Twitchell Eckankar is actually
      > > the "Naacal Religion" from "Venus!" Do EK
      > > Vahanas or Klemp ever mention this little
      > > known fact to the public or on Eckankar.org?
      > > I don't think so! I wonder why not? Isn't this
      > > an important part of Eckankar's history
      > > and lineage? Why isn't it called The
      > > Church of Naacal? Or, Naacal, Religion
      > > of the L & S of God. Maybe Klemp should
      > > make the change to the original name!
      > >
      > > Prometheus
      > >
      >
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