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Klemp's Misdirection to H.I.s

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  • prometheus_973
    From: The H.I. Letter June 2010 [A Question From a RESA] ASK The MASTER- Q: In a recent dream experience, an Eighth Initiate pointed out that any Vahana
    Message 1 of 2 , Jun 16, 2010
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      From: The H.I. Letter June 2010

      [A Question From a RESA]

      ASK The MASTER-

      Q: "In a recent dream experience,
      an Eighth Initiate pointed out that
      any Vahana project or tool we may
      develop was to ask oneself, 'Are the
      spiritual needs of the person being
      met?"


      ME: So, does this include Satsang
      Projects too? Is having an ECK or
      HU hat, tee-shirt, or coffee/tea
      mug meeting the spiritual needs
      of the ECKist and the public? It
      seems like the $$$ generated is
      meeting Klemp's needs!


      Q (cont): "I realize that this is a
      critical question in all our endeavors
      at every level and in each area of
      OUR organization.

      What is the best way for a RESA
      to tend to the needs of those he
      or she serves?"


      ME: RESAs don't "Serve" people/
      chelas! LOL! They "serve' Klemp!

      And, this RESA thinks that Eckankar
      is his ("our") organization! LOL!
      It belongs to Klemp! He has the
      first, last and only say when it comes
      to any and everything! DUH!

      Plus, this RESA (7th Initiate) had a
      dream where an 8th gives him some
      words of wisdom... but anyone he
      dreamed of could have done the same!

      The Dreamer was the Eighth Initiate!
      Just as the Dreamer is the Mahanta!
      And Klemp never tells him otherwise.
      HK wants him to continue to believe
      the lie, and that he has no power.


      Klemp: "Listen to the inquirer. The
      individual is coming from a concern
      of some sort. IF all were well, he would
      not move from his comfort zone and
      approach you for info about Eckankar.


      ME: So, prey/pounce upon him/her
      while they're weak or confused.


      HK: "Until you know the seeker's
      spiritual need, you do not know
      which aspect of the Eck teachings
      to highlight."

      ME: I don't know Harold... this is
      pretty basic stuff that I learned
      20 years or more ago. Why is it
      being repeated for this RESA?
      Hasn't your consciousness or
      that of Eckankar risen any in
      the last 20 years? It doesn't seem
      so! Sure, technology has gotten
      better, despite Klemp's attempt
      to keep chelas off the Internet,
      but Eckankar hasn't really changed.

      HK: "A RESA further needs to
      pass this simple method along
      to Vahanas in the area. We have
      often spoken of the need to
      listen to newcomers, BUT follow
      follow up to be sure this approach
      has taken root in your area."

      ME: Haven't RESAs passed this
      along by now? Isn't it written
      in enough books and Guidelines?
      This is just more redundancy!
      It's boring! And Klemp does very
      little to nothing in real time.
      Why isn't he on radio or TV
      like other preachers?

      HK: "There is a wonderful side
      to the art of listening: it may
      teach us all kinds of new things."

      ME: Yeah yeah. Klemp is using
      double speak. He's said himself
      in his books and at a talk I attended
      that he was more a speaker than
      a "listener." Yet, here he is stating
      that others should be listeners
      in order to learn. I guess that's
      why HK hasn't learned anything
      "new" over the years.

      HK: "Foremost, in my mind, is
      a glimpse into another, perhaps
      new, expression of divine consciousness.

      It is a privilege to enjoy another's
      trust, which shows a bit of itself
      as that Soul struggles to make
      clear to you what concerns It."

      ME: Many besides ECKists enjoy
      that same trust, and do more to
      help people. Drug counselors for
      one! And, drug counselors aren't
      being deceptive and can share
      everything and anything, whereas,
      ECKists aren't permitted to ask too
      many questions or to criticize...
      especially HK (God). Even in
      many Christian Churches people
      are given a pass when they criticize
      God or their church, but Not so
      with criticizing Klemp or Eckankar.

      Klemp is just an old fart left over
      from a time when Eastern/New Age
      thought was "new" and different.
      Unfortunately, Klemp hasn't brought
      anything "new" to the table. It's all
      been said hundreds of times and
      it's been said better by others.

      When do the older long-time ECKists
      ever plan to experience Self-Mastery
      and Spiritual Freedom? Never! If they
      did they wouldn't need those fake/Kal
      Initiations or the Eckankar (social
      club) Religion/Church. What would
      they do without Eckankar?

      Prometheus
    • prometheus_973
      ASK The MASTER: The H.I. Letter June 2010 [A Question From a RESA] Q: In a recent dream experience, an Eighth Initiate pointed out that any Vahana project or
      Message 2 of 2 , Jul 19, 2010
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        ASK The MASTER:
        The H.I. Letter June 2010

        [A Question From a RESA]

        Q: "In a recent dream experience,
        an Eighth Initiate pointed out that
        any Vahana project or tool we may
        develop was to ask oneself, 'Are the
        spiritual needs of the person being
        met?

        I realize that this is a critical question
        in all our endeavors at every level
        and in each area of our organization.

        What is the best way for a RESA
        to tend to the needs of those he
        or she serves?"


        KLEMP:

        "Listen to the inquirer.

        The individual is coming from
        a concern of some sort. IF all
        were well, he would not move
        from his comfort zone and
        approach you for info about
        Eckankar.

        Until you know the seeker's
        spiritual need, you do not
        know which aspect of the
        ECK teachings to highlight.

        A RESA further needs to
        pass this simple method
        along to Vahanas in the area.
        We have often spoken of the
        need to listen to newcomers,
        BUT follow up to be sure this
        approach has taken root in
        your area.

        There is a wonderful side
        to the art of listening: it
        may teach us all kinds of
        new things.

        Foremost, in my mind,
        is a glimpse into another,
        perhaps new, expression
        of divine consciousness.

        It is a privilege to enjoy
        another's trust, which shows
        a bit of itself as that Soul
        struggles to make clear
        to you what concerns It."

        [end]


        Prometheus
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