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The ECKankar H.I. Letter - June 2010

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  • prometheus_973
    I ve noticed that the African ECKists aren t restricted to HK s Guidelines as are the North American and European based ECKists. Why is that? Are they more
    Message 1 of 2 , Jun 12 2:56 PM
      I've noticed that the African ECKists aren't
      restricted to HK's "Guidelines" as are the
      North American and European based ECKists.
      Why is that? Are they more "spiritually" advanced
      than U.S., Canadian, Mexican, Central and South
      American and European ECKists? Klemp seems
      to have been promoting this view over the years.

      And, is it that there's No problem with Asian
      ECKists following Klemp's Guidelines because
      they are, basically, conformists? That's an irony
      isn't it? ECKists see themselves as non-comformists,
      but have to conform to written and unwritten
      restrictions, rules, spiritual laws, and church
      the RESA "Guidelines" in order to be successful
      at playing Klemp's Higher Initiation game.

      Where's Klemp? Why doesn't he want to travel
      to Major Out-of-State or Out-of-Country ECK
      Seminars? That used to be fun to travel to different
      places and include time for sight-seeing. Klemp's
      not on crutches or in a wheelchair so what are
      his problem with air travel? He's gotten more soft
      and lazy... arrogant too!

      Here's a partial quote from the back page of
      the June 2010 H.I. Letter:

      "Is it possible to get a few more HU: A Love Song
      to God CDs? I'm happy to pay for the postage, as
      quite a few of my friends friends who couldn't
      make it would like one. My aunt told me she played
      it at home the night of the service, and it was very
      beautiful."

      What's interesting is that neither Klemp nor H.I.
      Letter staff members replied to this request in
      a notation. Maybe because it was a stupid question
      to expect ECKankar to pay for anything. Let's face
      it... being frugal is, usually, the same as being cheap.

      I was thinking about how the EK Youth view
      their religion. I think that, as we once did, they
      see it as a Journey of individual consciousness.
      That's where we all went wrong by joining a
      religion. One can use some of the things for
      our own individual growth in consciousness,
      but when we allow the Group dogma to restrict
      us and to label us with Initiation Numbers we
      have lost our way. These fear/vanity based
      influences with their grandiose (religious) claims
      are just like every other religion. Only weak
      people need a religion. Sure it's fun to have
      the like-minded social/religious contacts
      but the restrictions (dos and don'ts) get in
      the way. Once again, it all comes back to that
      "Higher" Initiation Number and/or Title that
      ECKists covent. The number somehow equates
      into having a Higher "Consciousness." But,
      ECKists all know (deep down inside) that it's
      not true based upon some H.I.s they have
      come to know. They're idiots and/or assholes
      and always have been! They were when HK
      promoted them!

      This is why rationalizing about the "Inner"
      and "Outer" is important for ECKists. True,
      it does tend to increase delusional thinking
      but "faith" based religions do that. Actually,
      aren't all religions "faith" based? I know that
      one can prove certain things (subjectively)
      to oneself, but religions require more from
      their members. They have to match and go
      beyond what others "experience." It becomes
      a competition, except, they tend to block out
      or deny the miracles and Higher Plane experiences
      of others who are of a different Faith (religion).

      Getting back to the ECK Youth: I know that
      they talk to others who base their faith upon
      scripture, but does the EK Youth? I don't think
      so. I think they talk about Consciousness and
      individual experiences and dreams and using
      this in everyday life. That, of course, is a
      Pollyanna approach to ECKankar. The org
      doesn't work that way and Klemp doesn't
      either! HK's talk isn't his walk. I know that
      ECKists want to believe the best, but belief
      in ones Self and in Spirit is all that's required.

      Donations of Time and Money through Service
      and Surrender to Klemp is Not required for
      ones Spiritual Growth. Actually, it's a hinderance
      because of the Group Think which lowers ones
      Consciousness/Awareness. Just listen to HK's
      redundant, simple-minded, one dimensional
      talks. The books are the same and he has other
      people's stories that are supposed to be testimonials
      that ECKankar works! Except, other religions
      have testimonials (stories) too... and they're
      usually better or more profound! But, by rationalizing
      ECKists see those stories as part of the ECK
      or Spirit and, of course, Klemp has said that
      he is the ECK (Spirit). Therefore, the delusional
      thought processes are fed and are built upon
      because these ECKists fear the Truth. They need
      their ECKankar just as others need their religions.

      All Religions are Kal Traps and are Tests for each
      individual Soul. Regions bring together Groups
      of individuals with similar Karma and/or Consciousness.
      Breaking away from all of them Western and Eastern
      and Off-Shoots is not an easy process but then
      again it's not supposed to be... that's why many
      fail the Test. On the other hand, it doesn't mean
      that one is "spiritually advanced" if they don't
      have a religion, especially, if they've never had
      one!

      gotta go and have some fun-
      later

      Prometheus
    • prometheus_973
      Klemp starts out telling H.I.s: A short time ago, I consulted a homeopath about how to improve my general health. What initiation was this homeopath? Zero!
      Message 2 of 2 , Jun 15 5:01 PM
        Klemp starts out telling H.I.s:

        "A short time ago, I consulted a
        homeopath about how to improve
        my general health."

        What initiation was this homeopath?

        Zero! This was a Non-ECKist!

        How valid are her recommendations?
        Can these be taken/followed with
        100% confidence? What's the point?
        Isn't Klemp going to second guess
        her? Of course! Why go at all?

        And, what's wrong with Klemp that
        he doesn't KNOW what he should
        do in regards to his own body and
        general health that he needs to rely
        upon a Non-ECK homeopath? HK's
        the "All Knowing" Mahanta!

        Maybe going to a Non-ECKist is
        the only way HK can get an objective
        opinion or reading. This is part psychic
        right? The "reading" that the homeopath
        does is Astral. Yet, this is acceptable
        procedure for a New Age/Wholistic
        Health Care approach that Klemp
        promotes.

        I know that a homeopath has
        to go through a long training
        and it's costly, but it's not like
        a real doctor... a M.D. So, why
        can't Klemp figure things out on
        his own? He's "higher" in consciousness
        (he claims) than the 4th Plane GOD
        that everyone else prays to!

        Aren't homeopaths more "spiritual"
        in their approach to healing? Why does
        Klemp fall short of using his "spiritual"
        healing or abilities and knowledge
        provided by the ECK for himself, unless,
        he's a fraud!

        ECKists should contemplate upon
        this over the next few days. Why
        does the Mahanta need a Non-ECK
        homeopath to tell him what he should
        already KNOW? If it doesn't make
        sense then something stinks... and
        in this case it's this so-called Mahanta!

        It is funny that Klemp is using his visit
        to this homeopath as an example of "how
        to" get the EK message out to the public
        while overlooking what his visit implicates...
        if ECKists would just give it some thought.

        Prometheus


        ***
        I've noticed that the African ECKists aren't
        restricted to HK's "Guidelines" as are the
        North American and European based ECKists.
        Why is that? Are they more "spiritually" advanced
        than U.S., Canadian, Mexican, Central and South
        American and European ECKists? Klemp seems
        to have been promoting this view over the years.

        And, is it that there's No problem with Asian
        ECKists following Klemp's Guidelines because
        they are, basically, conformists? That's an irony
        isn't it? ECKists see themselves as non-comformists,
        but have to conform to written and unwritten
        restrictions, rules, spiritual laws, and church
        the RESA "Guidelines" in order to be successful
        at playing Klemp's Higher Initiation game.

        Where's Klemp? Why doesn't he want to travel
        to Major Out-of-State or Out-of-Country ECK
        Seminars? That used to be fun to travel to different
        places and include time for sight-seeing. Klemp's
        not on crutches or in a wheelchair so what are
        his problem with air travel? He's gotten more soft
        and lazy... arrogant too!

        Here's a partial quote from the back page of
        the June 2010 H.I. Letter:

        "Is it possible to get a few more HU: A Love Song
        to God CDs? I'm happy to pay for the postage, as
        quite a few of my friends friends who couldn't
        make it would like one. My aunt told me she played
        it at home the night of the service, and it was very
        beautiful."

        What's interesting is that neither Klemp nor H.I.
        Letter staff members replied to this request in
        a notation. Maybe because it was a stupid question
        to expect ECKankar to pay for anything. Let's face
        it... being frugal is, usually, the same as being cheap.

        I was thinking about how the EK Youth view
        their religion. I think that, as we once did, they
        see it as a Journey of individual consciousness.
        That's where we all went wrong by joining a
        religion. One can use some of the things for
        our own individual growth in consciousness,
        but when we allow the Group dogma to restrict
        us and to label us with Initiation Numbers we
        have lost our way. These fear/vanity based
        influences with their grandiose (religious) claims
        are just like every other religion. Only weak
        people need a religion. Sure it's fun to have
        the like-minded social/religious contacts
        but the restrictions (dos and don'ts) get in
        the way. Once again, it all comes back to that
        "Higher" Initiation Number and/or Title that
        ECKists covent. The number somehow equates
        into having a Higher "Consciousness." But,
        ECKists all know (deep down inside) that it's
        not true based upon some H.I.s they have
        come to know. They're idiots and/or assholes
        and always have been! They were when HK
        promoted them!

        This is why rationalizing about the "Inner"
        and "Outer" is important for ECKists. True,
        it does tend to increase delusional thinking
        but "faith" based religions do that. Actually,
        aren't all religions "faith" based? I know that
        one can prove certain things (subjectively)
        to oneself, but religions require more from
        their members. They have to match and go
        beyond what others "experience." It becomes
        a competition, except, they tend to block out
        or deny the miracles and Higher Plane experiences
        of others who are of a different Faith (religion).

        Getting back to the ECK Youth: I know that
        they talk to others who base their faith upon
        scripture, but does the EK Youth? I don't think
        so. I think they talk about Consciousness and
        individual experiences and dreams and using
        this in everyday life. That, of course, is a
        Pollyanna approach to ECKankar. The org
        doesn't work that way and Klemp doesn't
        either! HK's talk isn't his walk. I know that
        ECKists want to believe the best, but belief
        in ones Self and in Spirit is all that's required.

        Donations of Time and Money through Service
        and Surrender to Klemp is Not required for
        ones Spiritual Growth. Actually, it's a hinderance
        because of the Group Think which lowers ones
        Consciousness/Awareness. Just listen to HK's
        redundant, simple-minded, one dimensional
        talks. The books are the same and he has other
        people's stories that are supposed to be testimonials
        that ECKankar works! Except, other religions
        have testimonials (stories) too... and they're
        usually better or more profound! But, by rationalizing
        ECKists see those stories as part of the ECK
        or Spirit and, of course, Klemp has said that
        he is the ECK (Spirit). Therefore, the delusional
        thought processes are fed and are built upon
        because these ECKists fear the Truth. They need
        their ECKankar just as others need their religions.

        All Religions are Kal Traps and are Tests for each
        individual Soul. Regions bring together Groups
        of individuals with similar Karma and/or Consciousness.
        Breaking away from all of them Western and Eastern
        and Off-Shoots is not an easy process but then
        again it's not supposed to be... that's why many
        fail the Test. On the other hand, it doesn't mean
        that one is "spiritually advanced" if they don't
        have a religion, especially, if they've never had
        one!

        gotta go and have some fun-
        later

        Prometheus
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