ECK Stories versus Bible Stories
- Are the Shariyats the word of God?
Twitchell states that Book One came
from Fubbi and Book Two came from
Yaubl. But the "Stories" come from
Klemp and/or from what level of
initiates? Why doesn't Klemp have
his own Apostles?
Klemp: "You already know The Advantages
of Our Story-Based Approach: 'Here Is How
the ECK Helped Me.' People can understand
that." [March 2010 Wisdom Notes]
The Christian Bible has stories from
two books, the Old Testament and
the New Testament. However, Eckankar's
two Holy books, The Shariyat-Ki-
Sugmad Books 1&2 don't have any
"stories." However, Klemp wants
ECKists to continue with the "Story-
Based Approach" that he created early
on as a sales method. However, how
can ECKists verify that their "stories"
came from "God" when sharing them
with the general public?
And, what ever happened to those
Old EK Testament Stories/Testimonials
when Darwin was the LEM/Mahanta?
Aren't they valid?
More: Wisdom Notes March 2010
HK: "Your Feedback... Is Helping
To Make Us More User Friendly"
"...In every way possible, we are doing
everything we can to let Any and All ECK
Gatherings be more Interesting and Spiritually
Uplifting, BOTH FOR US and OUR VISITORS.
I appreciate your Feedback. It is helping
to make us more 'USER FRIENDLY.'
ME: Why don't ECKists see the problems
with what Klemp has said, here, in this
March 2010 Wisdom Note?
"Story-Based Approach" is using testimonials!
All religions use these to "prove" the validity
of their religion. As a matter of fact there are
even religion free "positive reenforcement techniques"
and movements that do the same thing and
and have the same results or even grander
stories/testimonials than ECKists do! The
religions that Klemp claims are of the 2nd and
4th Planes have better "stories" and more
"miracles" than any ECKist has. Just do some
Googling and you can find them! BTW- Those
"Tiger's Fang" stories were fiction too, and it
was Kirpal Singh (Paul's Ruhani Satsang Master)
and Not Rebazar who was first mentioned in
Next, Why is it that Klemp needs "Feedback"
to become more "User Friendly?" If HK, or his
RESAs, have not been as "user friendly" as
they could have been then that means they've
been more Negative than Positive. Only KAL
agents would be more Negative than Positive.
Where's the EK Leadership been headed with
Klemp in charge for all of these years? It's
gotten more and more complicated and
bureaucratic with the RESA Hierarchy with
all of those Guidelines and requirements
(service and coin) for H.I.s! Look at how long
it takes to make sure that everything is in
the "right place" with all it i's dotted and t's
crossed before any action can be taken!
It's silly! Klemp has created a lot of busy
work and guidelines to distract and control
people and to keep them quiet.
What has Klemp given in return? Nothing
but empty promises via self-hypnosis and
imagination, plus, story telling techniques!
He's a taker and faker! He requires more
and more while giving back less and less via
stupid simple-minded one dimensional stories
about past events/people instead. HK just
puts an "ECK" spin on it! Anyone can do that!
Basically, Klemp is just putting in his time
until he's taken his last breath. ECKists either
need to get use to this idea, or be bored
to death or inaction. They could let that EK
Membership Lapse, but what would they
replace EK with? Perhaps they could replace
it with Peace of Mind without RESA Hierarchy
induced Stress! But where's the social element?
Well, check out Facebook or your neighbors
or your family, your community, and make
some new friends. Besides, if those so-called
"EK friends" don't want anything to do with
you then I guess they weren't really "friends"
after all! Let go, let it be, move forward, onwards
and upwards without a Religion. There are
plenty of "us" out here. Sure we're heretics,
but that's half the fun!
Klemp is doing a make-over
of the ECK Worship Service (EWS).
Here are excerpts from the March/
2010 "The Wisdom Notes" where
Klemp points out the corruption
of the Catholic Church in the Middle
Ages and doesn't want Eckankar
to follow suit. I knew Klemp lived
in the past, but how is today like
the Middle Ages?
HK: "Even worse, the priests were
corrupt. Church law forbade marriage
and advocated celibacy. So the priests
had 'housekeepers.' Everyone knew
that these women were concubines,
to fulfill the sexual and emotional
needs of what were, alter all, just
simple peasant fellows."
ME: So, these "housekeepers"
were like the modern day version
of a "secretary" like Joan was?
BTW- What is the EK counterpart,
or Virtue, for the Passion of Lust?
Actually, before Twitchell altered
it, it was chastity/celibacy. This
is, also, why most Eckists can't
remember Twitchell's replacement
virtue to counteract the passion
of Lust. Twit stole this dogma,
and altered it for the Western
mind, from Ruhani Satsang.
HK: "The church had not trained
its priests in the doctrines needed
so much by the people. Worship
Services left worshippers cold. Few
priests [or H.I.s] could preach, to
tell biblical stories illustrated by
the stained-glass windows in the
ME: Perhaps this is also why Klemp
is getting away from Worship Service
stories. I remember that they had to
come from an approved list and were
selected months in advance in order
to get printed in the Newsletter.
On another note, we can see Harry's
Lutheran roots showing as he puts
down the Catholic Church. Still, he
wants to use "stories" for workshops,
intros, etc. and for one-on-one
discussions to sell EK Materials and
HK: "The above account highlights
the need for us to ensure that ECKists
in all leadership positions be completely
versed in the ECK teachings. Even more,
they need to know the best ways to tell
others about these beautiful precepts
in everyday, common language.
* You already know The Advantages of
Our Story-Based Approach: 'Here Is How
the ECK Helped Me.' People can understand
ME: Yeah, just talk down to them and fool
them by giving the suckers testimonials
(stories) that they can hear anywhere. Just
put an ECK "twist" on it. I don't think the
suckers would "understand" or buy into
stories about 500-60,000 year old ECK
Masters living in the same physical body.
This is why EK Vahanas need to tell a story
that has a personal twist to it.
And, let's not forget those two ECK Masters
who came from Venus! This is similar to
the what the Mormons and Scientologists
* HK: "In every way possible, we are doing
everything we can to let any and all ECK
gatherings be more interesting and spiritually
uplifting, BOTH FOR US and OUR VISITORS.
I appreciate your feedback. It is helping
to make us more 'USER FRIENDLY.'
ME: Wait! Why does the ALL KNOWING
MAHANTA need "feedback," and in the
form of snail-mail letters, to help him
and his hierarchy become more "user
friendly?" And, how long has Klemp
had in order to make the necessary
changes? Has he been asleep at the
Really, why hasn't Klemp been "User Friendly?"
And, I don't believe that Klemp has
done much of anything but bitch at
people. Why isn't he on the radio?
Why isn't he doing more? His books
are redundant and tell other people's
stories while he gets the royalties!
HK: "Plans are under way to complement
our ECK Worship Service and Vahana
programs with a special HU Song each
ME: Don't most ECK Centers have
monthly HU Chants anyway? I used
to conduct one each month and most
of the time nobody showed up...
except for those invisible EK Masters
Didn't Klemp recently refer to the
HU Chant/Song as a Prayer? Anyway,
Klemp now gives his inept ECK Leaders
a tip. It's to study the EWS Guidelines and
to reread his 10 year old "Handbook for
HK: "Some areas have used these very
same tips and suggestions to prepare
for their ECK regional seminars. More
Last they shared many of them with their
Arahatas to raise the quality of the ECK
Satsang classes. This worked too.
ME: Bullshit! Is Klemp insane, out-
of-touch or both to say this and
expect people to mindlessly nod
their heads in agreement? Satsang
classes never had great attendance
and many people missed more than
three. Missing three classes (according
to the Guidelines) was supposed
to get you removed from the group.
I never followed up on that because
I was just thankful when people showed
up... even when they brought the
HK: "Do you see why we must preform
our own spiritual mission so much better
than did the Catholic Church in Europe
during the Middle Ages?" [end]
ME: And what about performing
the "spiritual mission" better than
the Pope and Catholic Church today?
Klemp is stuck in the Middle Ages!
What a moron!
Anyway, it seems like HK's attempting
to nudge ECKists toward the same old
thing with a tweaking of the EWS. I
guess to him and his cohorts that this
is progressive. LOL!