The Expense of Being an EKist
- Hello Postekcon and All,
Yes, Eckankar does make most of its
money from material sales while promoting
service as a "spiritual reward." There's the
catch. If an EKist seeks rewards then he/she
can't be "detached" and this fact and condition,
therefore, invalidates the higher spiritual reward
from being received by an unworthy person who
is, in fact, attached to lower mental plane concepts/
traps. Service and coin are lower plane conditions
put into place by the lower plane LEM and his
What's really ironic is that most Eckists spend
more money on their pilgrimage to the EK
Temple in Chanhassen, MN.! When one looks
at the cost of air fare and the hotel expenses
and all of the other expenses associated with
attending an EK Seminar these expenses out
weigh all others expenses and donations to
the ECK Org/Church! BTW- Why doesn't Klemp
travel anymore? Why do EKists have to forgo
their vacation days saved up for Minneapolis?
What happened to Orlando? That would be a
nice change and warmer too! Klemp doesn't
give a sh_t about his chelas and H.I.s. Harry's
selfish and narcissistic. Let's face it... Eckankar
has become awfully dull with Klemp in charge
for all these years.
Eckankar is modeled an a simple mlm formula, where the affiliate fee [suggested
membership donation] is reasonable. But where the real money is made for the org
is where the 'affiliate' must purchase and frequently update [always at personal
expense] all the promotional materials. However, with eckankar.org, the
affiliate is doubly tricked into the purchase of all these extraneous materials
for promotion purposes, for it is suggested to them this constitutes their
'service' to spirit!
>backing track for a video, they then add some beautiful photos of their own such
> I thought I would add some additional comments to my original post.
> First Point.
> The fact is, many individuals on YouTube use a copyrighted music file a
as the ocean, mountains, etc. Some of these videos are quite amazing and are a
beautiful form of self-expression. Some of these videos get pulled from YouTube
by the copy write owners, but many do not.
>song from one of the official CDs that Eckankar sells and make it into a
> Likewise, a member of Eckankar could do the same thing. They could take an Eck
beautiful video, then post it on YouTube. But I didn't find a single instance of
this on YouTube. There are two reasons for this:
>wants only the "official line" from Eckankar headquarters to be present on
> 1. Eckankar aggressively protects all of it's copy-written material because it
> 2. Eckankar aggressively protects all of it's copyrighted material because itdoesn't want to lose any income as a result of people giving it away for free.
>find a single instance. I've discussed this previously on other posts on the
> Second Point.
> Ever hear an Eckist tell a personal story on YouTube? I looked, and I didn't
Internet, but Eckists are afraid to give their own personal stories and
experiences regarding Eckankar. Currently, there are two videos on YouTube which
masquerade as a personal story told by an Eckist, but it is pretty easy to see
that these two videos are just slick "Madison Avenue" videos produced at
>videos with the current leader of Eckankar, Harold Klemp. Almost all of them are
> Reincarnation Past Life Dream Interpretation via Eckankar
> Out-of-body Experience with my deceased brother OBE Eckankar
> Third Point.
> So what kind of Eckankar videos are there on YouTube? It's mostly VERY SHORT
less than five minutes long. They give you a very short glimpse of Eckankar,
just enough to get you "sucked in" but not enough to really give you a decent
amount of information so that you can actually do a worthwhile evaluation of
Eckankar. Eckankar gives so little information out to the public on YouTube that
any reasonable person would get the impression that Eckankar has a lot to hide.
>I believe his talks typically run about 30 minutes. Contrast that with the
> Fourth Point
> Eckankar has 5 minute videos of Klemp's talks on YouTube. I'm not certain, but
following website dedicated to Paul Twitchell's teacher Kirpal Singh:
> Recorded talks of Kirpal Singh (Click on link to listen, right-click to
> Audio books of Kirpal Singh (Click on link to listen, right-click to
> http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/audiobook.htmquote from the audio book page:
> In case anyone wonders "Do they really allow free download?" Here is a direct
>files and can be downloaded here."
> "The 'books on CD'("audio books") in our collection have converted to MP3
>seeing any free downloads of talks or audio books. Ka ching, ka ching!
> So there is no doubt. It is all free!
> It has been awhile since I checked out Eckanakr's website, but I don't recall
>everything, no exceptions.
> So it's pretty clear, when it comes to spiritual knowledge:
> Paul Twitchell's followers (Eckankar): Copyright, protect, and restrict. Sell
> Kirpal Singh's followers (Ruhani Satsang): Give away freely.that much." My reply to them is "Well it seems to me that you could be doing a
> I get sick of hearing members of Eckankar saying "But Eckankar doesn't cost
whole lot better."
>doesn't Eckankar convert all of Paul Twitchell's tapes to MP3 format, put them
> Fifth Point
> Back when I was a "contented" member of Eckankar I always wondered "Why
all on a CD and sell the CD for a reasonable price?" I realize now that there
are two reasons for this: (1) Eckankar could no longer sell you one cassette
tape for $8, and (2) Eckanakar doesn't want to preserve Paul's original tapes
because there were too many times that he stuck his foot in his mouth or he just
didn't agree with Klemp's modern-day "Christian-based approach" to selling
Eckankar. And in case you are wondering, yes, I was very naive back in those
> >thinking things like "Maybe I've been too harsh on Eckankar" and "Maybe
> > A few weeks ago I guess I was almost having pity on Eckankar. Perhaps I was
Eckankar isn't as bad as I think they are."
> >chance. I decided to go over to YouTube and do a search for some Eckankar
> > So I decided to do an experiment. I was going to give Eckankar a fair
videos. Then I was going to watch the videos and do a completely fair evaluation
of the content. Don't ask me why I was so generous because I don't know why. But
I thought it would be a good idea to just "start from square one." Forget all of
my personal issues with Eckankar and thoroughly dedicate myself to giving them a
> >member of Eckankar I heard some "Eck songs" that I liked, and I was curious to
> > The first thing I did was search for some Eckankar music. When I was a
see whether I could find a few of them on YouTube. For one thing, I was curious
to see what my reaction would be when I listened to the songs. Would I cry?
Would I feel nostalgic? So I did the search. This is my results:
> >searching for things on the Internet.
> > First search string --> Nothing
> > Second search string --> Nothing
> > Third search string --> Nothing
> > Fourth search string --> Nothing
> > I honestly don't remember what I used to search, but I am pretty good at
> >Well, at first I was kinda stumped. Why? Then it came to me... the sound of "ka
> > But my search results did prove one thing: There is no Eck music on YouTube!
ching" resonated in my head. Yes, it was all about money. It had to be! Eckankar
doesn't give anything away - you have to pay for it. Which does prove one thing.
That Spirit DOES give freely, except when it comes through Eckankar.