Re: Native American "drumming circles" at major EK seminars?
- Another crosspost from Eckankartruth:
Hello Jonathan and All,
Yes, the attempt to do a "drumming
circle" was an innocent act, and it was
meant to be fun! And, I've been at ones
where there was NO chanting just drumming!
I find them interesting in that the drumming
(sound) starts out as individualized/group
chaos and then harmonizes into a Unity of
Consciousness. It's a metaphor... for the
Getting back to the use of fear and
control tactics of religions and of Eckankar:
Did Eckankar use metal detectors at the
2009 EWWS? I always thought that was an
over-the-top/knee-jerk reaction (a security/
fear tactic) for Klemp to use after 9/11.
Why should "God" (the Mahanta) be fearful
of anything or anyone? Couldn't/wouldn't/
shouldn't Rebazar and the other EK Masters
manifest themselves to protect Klemp?
Shouldn't HK be able to protect himself
and his chelas on the outer, as well as
(supposedly), on the inner? HK states
that his "protection" is with his followers.
But, where's the proof when H.I.s are dying
of cancer etc. Actually, this is proof that
Klemp is a liar. Guilt puts blame on the
chela/H.I. for the cancer (besides, it's a
"test" of faith) while Klemp dodges his
promises and responsibilities.
However, doubt began to creep into Eckists'
consciousness when the "metal detectors"
and "searches" began. This created more
questioning of Klemp's abilities, and his
truthfulness (as the LEM/Mahanta) began
to be doubted even more so.
When "God" (the Mahanta) is fearful and
needs metal detectors, searches, and a
security entourage one has to wonder
about the validity of this religion.
Then, of course, we have the aging factor.
Other EK Masters live forever and appear
rather youthful while Klemp is pale, old
looking and wrinkled, grey-haired, and
balding... like anyone else! I'm surprised
that Eckists can't believe their own eyes!
What delusion! How does one rationalize
all of these facts and contradictions? Are
people that desperate and needy? Yes!
Eckankar is just another feel good religion
with all of the rules and regulations and
busy work, guilt/fear, and ego traps that
all religions share. Every religion is unique
and that's why they attract a certain like-
minded group of individuals. Yet, all of
these believers think they are right and
everyone else is wrong and doomed! Unless,
of course, the sinner is converted. Therefore,
their "truth" must be shared with the world
in order to "save" the non-believer from
the negative effects of Kal, Satan, God, etc.
And, in EK, there are "inflow" game points
(initiations and positions) to be achieved
while doing "God's" missionary (vahana)
work to help raise the world's consciousness
via this"outflow." The imagination is fun
and useful and necessary, but it can, also,
be a trap and a means of creating delusion.
I just wanted to clarify to everybody
that I wasn't trying to defend Eckankar
when they canceled the drumming
session. I was just trying to get into
their head to try to figure out what
kooky reason they had for canceling
it. Unfortunately, I spent a lot of time
engaged in that same process through
the 29 years that I was a member
I agree completely with your statement
"Anyway, it just goes to show how
religions like to control their followers
via rules, laws, guidelines, guilt,
and fear. Eckankar has the RESA Hierarchy
(Police) to keep everyone on their
As you stated, you and the other Eckists
who were looking forward to the session
saw it as something innocent, and whatever
energy was going to be brought to the
surface was a reflection of the Eck. I'm
glad you mentioned that because I wasn't
even thinking in those terms. Of course
you were thinking in those terms! You
were Eckists at an Eck seminar! So, yes,
it does show how fanatical Eckankar
is when it comes to enforcing the rule
"the teachings of Eckankar must be kept