Re: Will Harry Announce Joan As An ECK Master?
- Hello Mish and All,
It isn't so strange that females
in Eckankar can't become the
LEM when one looks at the role
of females in other religions.
Eckankar's view of females having
"negative" atoms versus males having
"positive" atoms is an excuse for male
domination that's outlived its time.
The "negative" atom thing seems rather
silly if it weren't for the fact that it's
used as a tool to make women subservient.
First, why would ECKists believe in
these EK male/female principles that
exclude Souls from becoming the LEM
because they chose to be females.
Really, this is just another manipulation/
myth/story/lie! And, what basis does
it have in reality or in science since
it involves the "atoms" of the physical
body! Observation tells us that males
have the "negative" view of the world
and that females are more "positive"
and create while males destroy in
order to expand their dominion.
Thus, if Joan was to be the next LEM
Harry would have announced it at the
seminar. It's had to believe that he
hasn't announced a replacement.
PT (in 1971) told of a 15 year old
boy who would be the next Mahanta.
Klemp was 30 at the time! Anyway,
if you believe Twitch this means that
Klemp isn't the Mahanta, and the next
real Mahanta is around 53 years old
at this time.
Hi, Liz, Ingrid and All!
This seems like a bit of a reunion . . .
good to see you popping in! You have
been missed . . . I haven't been posting
often either. I've been enjoying other
pursuits too . . . but ESA is always a
fun place and I do continue to read it.
I believe Harry is going to be carried
out eventually. I think the little man
is too afraid to step down or pass on
the power because he just might be
thinking of the huge book burning that
could take place once he's out . . . all
those silly little nonsense books of his
could make for one really nice heaping
blaze!! Marshmallows anyone? LOL!
What would be really funny . . . would
be Joan taking over the position and
being the one to erase Harry like Harry
did Darwin!! Underneath that smiling
exterior of hers, there just might be
a seething and ticking time bomb . . .
a great opportunity for retaliation for
all the crap she's put up with living
with the almighty living eck master!
And then she becomes the first female
l.e.m. Rebazar could back her up on
Hello Liz and All,
Yes, the "inner" visions and
dreams via the ECK-Vidya
doesn't work with knowing
what the Klempster (the inner
master) has in store for Eckists
since he speaks with a forked-
tongue as a KAL agent.
Harry has his followers living
in the past and distorts history!
Example: Fubbi & Rebazar helped/
directed Columbus to find "protein"
for Europeans, but conveniently
over-looks the negativity and
devastation it caused to the
indigenous people. What do
Mexican and South American
Eckists really think of this story?
Then, HK distorts the future
with promises of more (inner
and outer) initiations and of
a "heavenly" afterlife. Yet, the
H.I.s and chelas are supposed
to be "detached" when his RESA
Hierarchy (bosses) don't practice
the same detachment! Catch-22!
HK, also, uses and manipulates
the old lies and plagiarisms of
Twitchell, which copied Ruhani
Satsang, and has given Eckankar
a Lutheran (lower plane) twist
with the EWS, etc. etc. Who are
Eckists "worshipping" at the ECK
Worship Service (EWS)? Is it a
mental form of KAL?
And, Klemp can't write anything
profound or on the level of Rumi
(who worshipped a 4th Plane God
according to Klemp's "Autobiography")
so he takes the "simple-minded"
(KISS) approach. He uses chelas'
common everyday, make-believe,
and distorted stories for his
"modern-day" teachings and
Basically, Eckists just fill-in
the blanks and second-
guess via their imaginations.
However, the Catch-22 is that
Eckists aren't supposed to be
"second-guessing" the Mahanta
Liz- California is a tough place
to move to during these times.
The cost-of-living, housing, jobs
and the traffic congestion have
been issues for decades and it's
worse now! Still, I really love it...
it has everything! I hope things
work out for you regardless of
where you end up.
Thanks to both you and Ingrid
for coming back into the site
to post. Hopefully, you will both
have the time to post more comments,
perspectives, and insights.
On another note, it is strange
that Harry hasn't made Joan a
12th initiate (ECK Master). After
all, look at Kata Daki! She's a
12th Initiate (ECK Master) and
has never been an "outer" Lower
Plane LEM (due to the her negative
female atoms)! Thus, Joan could
become a 12th without becoming
BTW- Why do those negative
"female" atoms affect Soul?
Aren't those Souls with the
Higher Plane "consciousness,"
i.e. Initiations (yard-sticks)
above gender and the Lower
Plane karmic effect of KAL?
Those with "negative atoms,"
should be eligible for the LEM
BTW- Why do the ECK Masters
have a "gender?" They are pure
Soul aren't they? And, why only
one "female" ECK Master?
Maybe Harry will announce
Joan's promotion, in an ECK
pub, later on.
LOL yes well from what I hear,
those all trusting and aware ekkies
were waiting with bated breath to
hear whether Klump passed the Rod,
or spoil the... errr fun! Wouldn't you
think these much higher earth beings
called ekkies, would know if the Klump
was giving up his throne, and whether
or not RT was the interm grand master
until the next looney toon was ready
to handle the power...
On a side note, I was just peeking in
to see how everyone was doing! Great
to read you all and see that this group
is still doing a great job!
I've been job hunting, was in CA
a couple times interviewed for
a paralegal possition. Found I am
not cut out for CA living... been
doing a lot of creative writing,
short stories and poetry. Oh and
experimenting in virtual reality
worlds... so much like traveling
those ekkie god worlds, don't ask....
Anyway, big hugs! Hope everyone
is living in the real world these days
and enjoying what it has to offer.
> Hello Liz, Ingrid, and All,
> Nice hearing from you two!
> I guess that I could have paid
> for the broadcast of Klemp's talk,
> but I just didn't want to waste the
> money or contribute to his salary.
> Generally HK uses other people's
> embellished or simplistically common
> stories to make a "spiritual" point
> and, of course, there's always at
> least one "Nigerian" story.
> Let's face it... Klemp's NO Buddha
> or Jesus and yet he claims via his
> "Autobiography" (pg. 385) to be
> 10 levels greater/higher than their
> So, is the story about the plane
> flying past Minneapolis due to
> Klemp's talk putting them to
> sleep as well?
> There was an earthquake in
> RT's neighborhood? Had he
> already "manifested" himself
> to Minneapolis by then? I didn't
> hear anything about him giving
> a talk... as usual.
> ctecvie" wrote:
> Liz!!! Welcome back!!! Long time no hear -
> hope you are well! :-)
> There was an aircraft just before the
> WW that shot over Minneapolis instead
> of landing there - and of course the
> ekkies ascribed it to the eck and little
> harry! LOL!
> Good to see you back,
> ewickings wrote:
> So what happened this year at the WW?
> All I heard was, Harry looked really sick,
> and there was an earth quake near Rubber
> Tires Hut... Speculation was at the time,
> maybe the rod was passed, but I'm thinking
> they will have to pry that from Klumps dead
> boney fingers.
> Well.... off I go to scan the messages.
> It's been ages since I have popped my
> nose in here. Etznab you have been
> a very busy guy I see! How have you
> been? Big Hug! :)
> prometheus wrote:
> Will Joan be announced as a 12th?
> It could happen at this 2009 EK
> World wide Seminar! Harry set it
> all up for Joan in "Those Wonderful
> ECK Masters" back in 2005.
> I would imagine that if little old
> shrinking, wrinkled and grey Harry
> is to step down as LEM (someday)
> that he'd want to make Joan a 12th
> Initiate and ECK Master, beforehand,
> even though she could never become
> the LEM, unless, she had a sex change
> operation of course!
> p.s. Why hasn't Rebazar written his
> own Herb or Healthy Foods book?
> After all, when someone can live for
> 500 years, in the same physical body,
> and without aging a day they should
> be sharing this "How To" information
> with the current LEM/Mahanta, as
> well as, other followers of Eckankar
> and with the world! Klemp doesn't
> have to "channel" Rebazar in order
> to write the book since RT's still
> living on this Physical Plane, on
> earth, right? Maybe Rebazar can
> dictate the book to Doug Marman
> or Don Ginn or Phil Morimitsu and
> Eckankar can edit and publish it?
> So, where's the book? When will it
> be released? Will it have an EMR and
> a rapid aging cure for Klemp? Will
> it help cure stupidity (for Eckists) too?
> Believe It Or Not - We Want to Know!