Hello Non and All,
I agree! We're on the same page!
The Astral Plane UFO sightings
are similar to Chanting HU and
Visualizing via the Astral Plane
Tisra Til (6th Chakra) in order
to meet (see) the Vi-Guru (HK)
in his Light Body.
This is the same practice that
Ruhani Satsang and Radhasoami
use in order to meet their Vi-Guru
Twitch copied everything and
Klemp continues the fraud, but
HK never elevated the visualization
from the Tisra Til to the Crown
Chakra after 28 years! Klemp is
more like the Living Redundant
EK Master. For instance, just look
at the same old, but repackaged,
material that he offers for sale:
"The Call of Soul" by HK
(paperback, 122 pages, with CD)
(4) $9.00 (10/pack) (37) $60.00
"The Master's Talks in The Year
(8 1/2-by-11-inch booklet, 21 pgs.)
"Workbook for the Master 2 Discourses"
(8 1/2-by-11-inch wire-bound book,
195 pages) (with CD) (8) $25.00
BTW- When was this discourse written?
I'll bet it's around 20 years old! Hasn't
consciousness changed (evolved) since
then? Wasn't this, basically, for a 4th
initiate back then? Thus, this information
is, now, for the consciousness of a
Illustrated ECK Parables--
"A Gift for the Master" (1) $10.00
"One Small Thing for Love" (2) $10.00
"The Song That Makes God Happy"
"Illustrated ECK Parables CD 2"
"HU, the Most Beautiful Prayer"
(5/pack with CD) (20) $50.00
Second Edition, Expanded
"A Cosmic Sea of Words,
The Eckankar Lexicon"
(large paperback, 242 pages)
The Holy Fire of ECK, Book 1
(233 pages) (5) $16.00
Why did it need updated?
Is this just a ploy to get
more money since an Arahata
needs the "updated" version
for H.I. book discussions!
Six Full-Length Talks by
Sri Harry Now on DVD--
"The Foolish of God" $18.00
"Gifts Stranger than Fiction"
"If God Is God, Then Who are You?"
"Inside a Circle of Friends" $18.00
"The Law of Love" $18.00
"What's It All About" $18.00
Now Wallet Size
"The Master's Gaze" $5.00
"2010 Planning Calendar" $4.00
More Broadcast Videos (Excerpts)
Now on DVD--
"Bless This Day" $15.00
"Five Spiritual Laws of This World"
"Sunshine and Sparkle" $15.00
"The Right Choice" $15.00
"Walk With Me, Mahanta" $15.00
Of course these Vahana (PR) materials
are paid for by the EK Chelas and H.I.s
via the ECK Centers (Satsangs) or directly
from out-of-pocket purchases (donations).
The ESC (Klemp) pays for nothing!
"2010 Eckankar Journal" $6.00
"The Message of Eckankar"
(six CDs) $35.00
"Next steps in Spiritual Exploration"
Card (20/pack) $4.00
"Glossary of Eckankar Terms"
Klemp is also selling audiocassettes,
CDs and DVDs of his 2009 ECK Springtime
Seminar talk-- "The Secret Path to Heaven"
An Excerpt from "The Secret Path to Heaven"
in (DVD) is $15.00
So, we can see how Klemp is generating
his income in a recession. Eck Leaders
are expected to keep up-to-date by
reading/listening to the new stuff and
rereading the old revised crap that is
of a lower less "evolved" consciousness!
It's No wonder that the EK Initiations
are still "slowed down!"
And seeing one of these ECK Masters
is very similar to claiming to see a UFO.
It seems that all religions will have stories
about seeing some saint or special God
person, like Jesus as a sign or a vision
or a sense or a waking dream blah blah.
It is just really an example of the human
tendency to often see what you expect to
I do believe that there are instances of
mystical experience, but that they come
in forms that are forms consistent with
our expectations and personal cultural
life experiences and the context of our
mind set. It has nothing to do with eckankar
fraudulent myths as any kind of reality.
Except that one time I saw an eck master
at an Air Port rest room, nudging his foot
under my side of the stall. LOL Of course,
I got out of there as fast as I could.
Non eckster ; )
Isn't it interesting that Twitchell,
Gross, and Klemp were/are the
only "ECK" Masters that could
be seen on the "outer" physical
plane. Rebazar never gave a Seminar
talk nor did the other ECK Masters
that Eckankar claims still maintain
How about those Venusian ECK
Masters mentioned in the ECK
Lexicon! Is GAKKO (pg.125)
older than ASOKI (pg.13) and
RAMI NURI (pg.172)? According
to Klemp's EK Lexicon ASOKI
has been living for 60,000 years
in the same physical body! People
want to know the truth! Where
are they now and what are they
Is RETZ, VENUS an actual vacation
spot that our grandchildren
could visit via a space craft?
Then, again, what did Twit,
Gross or Klemp have to lose
with this outrageous claim
that there was a physical city
on Venus! Science tells us that
there is no life on Venus, but
religion and science-fiction
has another opinion.
BTW- The ECK Lexicon states
that MALATI (pg.132) was "the
first ECK Master of record among
the Polarians," but what about
those ECK MASTERS from VENUS?
Weren't they the "first?"
It doesn't make sense does it!
It's make-believe and pretend
because there are no 500 year
old or 60,000 year old invisible
ECK Masters from VENUS or
anywhere else! It's all in the
imagination because people
want and need to believe in
something. Eckankar is just
another religious belief with
promises to alleviate fear and
guilt. And, it feels good having
those "special" initiations.