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    Do you have a page number where it mentions Sudar Singh had passed away by 1947? Etznab ... From: prometheus_973 To:
    Message 1 of 5 , Nov 6, 2009
      Do you have a page number where it mentions
      Sudar Singh had passed away by 1947?

      Etznab

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      From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
      To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2009 1:51 pm
      Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: PT's "Difficulties Of
      Becoming The LEM"

       










      Here's some confusing info

      on Rebazar and PT's initiations,

      but first a look at how/where/

      when Paul studied and learned

      how to control the "group mind."



      "My life of Several Years in

      Washington D.C., was uneventful

      in the fact that I didn't do any-

      thing great. I didn't do anything

      wonderful..."



      [Paul was just a "normal" liar

      during his transitional period.]



      "I could come and go in the

      embassies fairly well as much

      as I wanted to and got to know

      people of this nature and to be

      able to study them, and find out

      that they were people who only

      had actually, a tremendous amount

      of knowledge about How Group

      Minds Work, How National Minds

      Work in a Country, and have a

      tremendous knowledge about

      relations, Human Relations."

      [pg. 68]



      See, how Paul is studying the

      "group mind" to find ways to

      control the masses. Sounds

      like what a Black Magician

      would do!



      Next is PT's Sudar and Rebazar

      story. Notice how it seems that

      Paul's making it all up as he

      goes along. He tends to backtrack

      some, exaggerates, or gets

      details and facts wrong. Lying

      takes much more effort than

      recounting the truth. Remember,

      too, this book was transcribed

      from audio interviews done

      circa June-July, 1971).



      "Well, anyway, in about 1947,

      it was right shortly after the

      Indians nation, India, received

      their freedom from England

      and then became a nation...

      I went over to Darjeeling...

      right on the Sikkim border...

      I went up there at the time

      after being over in Allahabad,

      and there wasn't much left

      there after SUDAR SINGH HAD

      PASSED AWAY.



      But then I went there and I'd

      been told that I would find the

      ECK Master Rebazar Tarzs, I've

      got something about that in

      one of my books, I think it's

      Introduction to ECK in which

      I have it. I told about meeting

      him up in that part of the world.



      I STAYED THERE FOR QUITE

      SOME TIME WITH HIM [Rebazar],

      SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS, BEING

      TAUGHT AND LEARNING THE

      WORKS OF ECK. And then I

      was told to come back because

      then I would start into the true

      works of ECKANKAR.



      Now, HE INITIATED ME THERE.

      I had already BEEN INITIATED

      BY SUDAR SINGH, THE SAME

      AS EVERYBODY ELSE, THE

      SECOND INITIATION.



      AND I GOT THE THIRD AND

      THE FOURTH. I WENT UP

      THROUGH about THE SEVENTH

      AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.



      Then he [Rebazar?] moved

      across over into Kashmir,

      up in the Hindu Kush Mountains,

      and later, BUT NOT ON THIS

      TRIP, I FOLLOWED HIM UP THERE

      AND I GOT THE FINISH OF MY

      INITIATIONS." [pgs. 70-71]



      Thus, Twitchell is claiming, in

      this 1971 Interview, that AFTER

      he was discharged from the Navy,

      in 1947, that he "physically"

      traveled to India and stayed with

      Rebazar for "SIX to SEVEN MONTHS"

      and was given the SEVENTH

      INITIATION by him. Klemp claims

      on Eckankar.org that PT "physically"

      returned to INDIA, a second time,

      to meet Rebazar in 1951.



      http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man.html



      However, the timeline shows

      that Twitchell was a member

      of Swami Premananda's church

      from 1950-1955, and was a

      member of Kirpal Singh's Ruhani

      Satsang (and/or was associated

      with him) from 1955-1965.



      Of course, Paul was, also, a

      member of Scientology after

      he, supposedly, received the

      7th Initiation from Rebazar

      in 1947.



      Even Klemp admits that there

      was still a connection with Kirpal

      Singh involving PT's The Tiger's

      Fang manuscript and a falling

      out with Kirpal.



      http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/writings.html



      Also, isn't it strange that Klemp

      mentions Kirpal's name about

      15 times and 970th LEM Sudar's

      name about 4 times in this info

      "Behind the Scenes with Paul

      Twitchell!"



      However, How could Paul have

      gotten the 7th Initiation from

      Rebazar, in India, in 1947 and

      then become an initiate of Kirpal

      Singh during the timeline of

      having written "The Tiger's Fang?"

      Kirpal returned the manuscript

      to Paul circa 1966.



      Plus, Kirpal initiated Paul in

      1955 on his first visit to the

      U.S. and Gail was initiated

      by Kirpal on his next visit

      to the U.S.! Why would Paul

      want an initiation by Kirpal,

      in 1955, if PT was a 7th

      Initiate in Eckankar in 1947

      and a 12th (finished) in 1951?



      Thus, we have another reason

      as to why Klemp and Company

      doesn't want this "historic"

      document reprinted!



      Also, why did Paul need to

      "PHYSICALLY RETURN" to India

      and climb the Hindu Kush Mountains

      to revisit Rebazar, after receiving

      the SEVENTH INITIATION (in 1947),

      in order to "finish" his initiations

      with Rebazar.



      Twit states, on page 71, about

      an experience with Rebazar (in

      1947) while sitting under a shade

      tree:



      "... when I was staying at the

      Ashram in ALLAHABAD which

      belonged to Sudar Singh...

      I'll say something here about

      Rebazar Tarzs... I THOUGHT

      that he had MANIFESTED himself

      because I just looked up and

      and there he was walking towards

      me... I FELT that he'd MANIFESTED

      himself because I had averted

      my eyes from the path which

      was directly in front of me, for

      just a matter of moments as

      anyone would do if they look

      around."



      Now, Why would Twit need to

      travel to India in his physical

      body a "second time" if Rebazar

      could "manifest" himself anywhere?



      Wasn't "Dialogues with the Master"

      dictated to Twit at night, in his

      bedroom, in the U.S., via Rebazar

      physically "manifesting" himself!



      See! It's all a bunch of lies and

      Klemp is part of it and the cover-up!



      But, then again, Klemp doesn't

      want to ruin the good thing he's

      got going on, and he certainly

      doesn't want to give up the power

      trip he's on. It's cool to have

      thousands of people bow down

      before you, to get giddy and nervous

      in your presence and thinking

      Harry's "Higher" than the "God"

      of all of the other religions on

      earth!



      Can Eckists see the irony of,

      "My God is Bigger Than Yours!"



      prometheus wrote:



      Hello Sharon and All,

      Yes, Paul does truly reveal himself

      in this book. His negative attitude

      and subversiveness, while in the

      Navy during WWII, was a real eye-

      opener! I can see why Klemp and

      Company don't want this book

      reprinted... WOW!



      After all, in June, 1971 when

      Twitch was recounting these

      earlier experiences (that were

      later placed into this book) Paul

      was the "Full" Mahanta, and

      didn't have any problem with

      nor find any fault with his

      past behaviours. He had no

      regrets about it! To Twitchell

      the Navy was a joke and he

      was going to have some sport

      with them (manipulate them)

      and take it easy while they miss-

      placed his paperwork due, in

      part, to his passive/aggressive

      attitude toward "superior officers."



      PT: "... on setting my mind on

      something, it was going to work

      exactly my way. If I got into the

      service, I wasn't going to be

      bothered with this sort of thing,

      of going out there on the front

      line and fighting. I was going to

      find myself a nice, comfortable

      berth someplace and be kept

      there."



      "I found out so many times in

      dealing with thousands of people,

      that they never knew this. And

      this is one of the Acts of Power

      that all the Dictators and everybody

      else had found, BUT I was using

      it in My way and Not using it as

      a control over a great number of

      people, EXCEPT to keep Myself

      out of positions of danger."



      "... the higher echelon, or the

      superior officers, were always

      having a rough time with me

      because I never acted in accordance

      to what they expected of their

      enlisted personnel. I could block

      them and create all sorts of

      frustrations and problems for

      them which they never knew

      was happening, or they never

      laid the CAUSE to me. I could

      get the papers fumbled up on

      myself until one time they got

      me lost! ... this sort of thing

      had created a vacuum which

      I had set out to do, to create

      the confusion, and I was 'lost'

      between battalions."



      "... sometimes I'd go downtown,

      and sometimesI'd go to the

      canteen on the base, or I'd

      sleep or do something."



      "Well, life became sort of a

      'don't care' --happy-go-lucky--

      Easy Way of living sort of thing

      and everybody was having a big

      laugh, and all that sort of thing.

      So then I decided that I had to

      be an officer..."



      "I knew that if anybody was Never

      physically fit for sea duty, that

      was me, because Psychologically

      I didn't want to get shot at. So

      I set the wheels in motion Behind

      The Scenes and the first thing

      I did, I went over to see the man

      who swore in new officers... which

      should have been the last thing

      on the list of doing. So he swore

      me in and there was nothing that

      they could do about it because

      I flunked my physical examination;

      I got out of most of them, but I

      flunked what I did take and made

      them awfully mad, but they says,

      'I don't know what to do.' ... And

      instead of going to sea, they started

      me in a training school..."



      "And all of this thing was in motion

      working for me, this Behind The Scene

      thing that I was talking about that

      I had learned to control my own

      destiny." [pgs. 52-57]



      Thus, we can see how a ConMan

      like Twit thinks and behaves even

      during wartime. It's all about him

      and having an angle. And, is it a

      coincidence that Twit mentions

      the term "Behind the Scenes" twice

      and that Klemp has a section on

      Eckankar.org that is titled "Behind

      the Scenes" with Paul Twitchell.



      BTW- Here are excerpts from the

      MR. ECK story (pgs. 94-96):



      "... I was on a parking lot getting

      ready to pull out, when some gentleman,

      long, lanky, looked like he had been

      dried up like a bean pole and a little

      hat on his head, rushed over and

      viewed my license plate which had

      nothing but 'ECK' on it; that is all,

      no numbers or anything. And he says,

      'Are you Mr. ECK?' And I very cautiously

      answered him, 'Why, yes, of course.'

      Which meaning, that of course as the

      MAHANTA, the Living ECK Master,

      I'm Mr. ECK, yes. He says, 'Y'know,

      I married... or rather my wife's maiden

      name was ECK, Amy ECK.' I says, 'Well,

      isn't that wonderful!' He says, 'Yes,

      it is.'



      [So, since the Mahanta is the ECK

      Paul didn't really lie to this guy.

      See how Twitchell rationalizes

      and makes it all up as he goes

      along. BTW -I shortened the

      dialogue because Paul goes on

      and on.]



      "... He just went away in a very

      blurred manner, his mind was only

      thinking of the communication and

      the warm relationship that he had

      suddenly struck up with this stranger

      here who was actually in a way, kidding

      him...."



      "Well, this is one of the funny things

      about the Astral Plane and the Physical

      Plane because the Astral Plane will do

      a lot of this in the sense of Not, it's

      Not a Deceit or anything BUT it is arousing

      the emotions and the emotions overcome

      common sense on the intellectual side

      and we don't have any answer to give

      when somebody makes us recall an

      incident as what would be in this,

      projecting ourselves in the future to

      say what we would think of it."



      PT's comments in this book

      show the foundations of

      deceit behind Eckankar.



      I had a message that we

      need to 'let go and move

      on.' Well, I will when Eckists

      do! When those I helped to

      bring into the EK org. recognize

      the lies, quit, and move on

      then I will too!



      Prometheus



      brighttigress wrote:



      [Digest Number 1527]



      Good one, Prometheus!



      "Diff" is a great book because it

      reveals a lot about Twitch, in his

      own words. I really do think that

      subconsciously, Twitch wanted

      people to see that ekult was just

      one big scam, sort of a practical

      joke, and he wanted to be recognized

      for his criminal genius.



      I always thought his claims about

      the number of books he'd read were

      a gross exaggeration. It's humanly

      impossible. And his claims that he

      could "read" a book by sleeping on it -

      well, Edgar Cayce could do that, and

      Twitch stole the idea. Just like he

      referred to Cayce when he was caught

      giving the same expensive "eck-vidya"

      readings to the same people, and threw

      a bit of a Wizard of Oz "Pay no attention

      to the man behind the curtain" hissy-fit

      and told people he had "masterly" reasons

      for the duplicate readings that lowbies

      couldn't understand - and he whined

      that surely Cayce had made some mistakes

      in his "readings", too.



      I forget where Twitch wrote that he was

      going to rewrite history, but I remember

      posting the quote a long time ago. And,

      is it in "Diff" where Twitch writes about

      running into a derelict-type one night,

      who was looking for "Mr. Eck", and had

      that lightbulb moment and decided that

      *he* would be "Mr. Eck"?



      And the one where he's walking on the

      beach feeling sorry for himself and looking

      at his failed life....moaning & groaning

      "why me"....when aha, he realizes it's

      because he's been in training to become

      Master of the Universe!!



      Puh-leeze!!!



      If you read Twitch's own thoughts & words,

      and delete all the purloined "spiritual" stuff,

      he truly reveals himself.



      Hugs,



      Sharon



      Prometheus wrote:

      These quotes are from "Difficulties

      Of Becoming The Living ECK Master."



      Here's a 1971 comment from PT

      from page 28:



      "I knew that I myself was not the

      same as that child that was next

      to me. I knew that I was superior

      in my mentality, I knew that I was

      superior to the teacher in all my

      knowledge, in all my understanding."



      Here's what appeared earlier in

      the Oct.-Nov.-Dec. 1970 Mystic

      World article (page 244):



      "Paul does not appear to like the

      intellectual person. He says they

      are all the same, making elaborate

      little plans. They give fussy attention

      to small perfections and when something

      goes wrong because of their inborn

      blindness, they scream frantically

      for help from someone else to act

      in their behalf--to do something

      for them."



      Thus, it seems we have another PT

      contradiction or a self-loathing!



      BTW- Since, Klemp is listed in the

      "International Who's Who of INTELLECTUALS,

      ninth edition" is Paul (the original

      Mahanta) giving a reading to Klemp

      via the ECK-Vidya, or is this proof

      that Klemp Would Not have been

      Paul's choice to become the LEM/M!



      Here's more of what Paul has to say

      about his intellect and how to "read"

      books (pg. 30):



      "Anyway, this was one of the things

      I'm trying to show you that where

      I had a SUPERIOR MENTALITY, INTELLECT,

      over these other people, and I got

      it in the way that I told you one time

      from SLEEPING ON BOOKS, and SOMETIMES

      READING THEM and sometimes it

      just came natural to me... This

      was a part of that which we call the

      mastership or the training of the

      ECK mastership."



      More on what Paul has to say about

      reading (pg. 98):



      "It is said now that a reader who is

      a good reader, who enjoys reading,

      can read 7,000 books a year normally.

      I have proven this out myself because

      when I was in Seattle I READ ABOUT

      35,000 BOOKS, OR I DON'T SAY THAT

      I PARTICULARLY READ THEM WORD

      FOR WORD. I WENT THROUGH 35,000

      BOOKS of every subject you can know

      which built me a background for a

      certain bit of the work I have today...

      when I was in Washington, D.C. for

      several years, I READ about 15,000

      books in the Congressional Library...

      in New York. I MAY HAVE READ 5,000

      or something like that when I was

      there for one year in 1946."



      Well, as we can see Paul is Full of

      B.S. He sounds like the ConMan

      that he was and shows us that at

      the most he either "skimmed" these

      35,000 books, or is lying about

      this too! But, in any case he does

      show us how he created the

      "background" for Eckankar as

      "a certain bit of the work I have

      today."



      Here's more PT comments (1971)

      that tend to contradict the use of

      skim-reading and the sleeping on

      books for "chelas" with regard to

      The ECK Discourses (pgs.196-197):



      "They lack a good understanding

      as to what is taking place as they

      study these. Often they become

      entangled in trying to figure out

      a syntax, notice a typographical

      error, or READ QUICKLY FOR

      INFORMATION. They tie themselves

      up in all sorts of LOGIC, GRAMMAR,

      and other sorts of opinions and

      SOME READ QUICKLY and say,

      'There is nothing new in that.'



      This is nothing new because EKists,

      still, tend to fill-in the blanks with

      their imaginations when the info

      comes up short (too simple), is

      redundant, lacks details, and seems

      illogical (unbelievable, untrue).



      "The Second Factor is that the

      student who is in A HURRY FOR

      INFORMATION and engages in

      SPEED READING or JUMPS TO

      CONCLUSIONS on the basis of

      a few paragraphs HASTILY

      SCAMMED, misses the most

      important benefits of all."



      It's no wonder that Eckists

      still get confused with the

      "do as I say, not as I do"

      attitude and rules that all

      religious leaders use!



      BTW- What are "the most

      important benefits of all,"

      for the chela, that PT is

      mentioning in this last

      sentence? Aren't the Higher

      EK Initiations the most

      important benefits of all!



      Prometheus



      HK's God-Realization Promise and the 8th Initiation!



      prometheus wrote:



      Hello Etznab and All,

      Or, we could look at "The" living

      "saviour" origin as well. I don't

      know! However, PT realized that

      people needed a living idol to adore

      and had this Mystic World article

      written in his behalf:



      "But few ever connect him up with

      being a holy man, the MAHANTA,

      the Living ECK Master. There is a

      need of the people to believe in

      the magic of a saviour, and Sri Paul

      Twitchell knows this and acts out

      the part." [April-May-June 1971,

      Difficulties of Becoming the LEM,

      pg. 250]



      However, in order to become a

      "Saviour" Paul had to have had

      a Virgin Birth (this is SOP). The

      following comes from pages 251-

      253 of Difficulties of Becoming

      the Living ECK Master:



      "Ramaj, viceroy for Sat Nam...

      Rebazar Tarzs... Gopal Das..and

      Yaubl Sacabi... met to discuss

      the birth of the coming Avatar

      for the Twentieth Century,

      Peddar Zaskq. Born in the

      Caucasian mountains during

      the seventeenth century...

      Given several years in the art

      of silence and Darkness he gained

      enlightenment in preparation

      for his return to the Twentieth

      Century. [HK should take note

      of this next statement] When

      the time came for his demise,

      he passed away still looking

      the same youthful appearance

      yet beyond the normal age of

      man....



      This time Peddar Zaskq was

      born on a Mississippi River

      packet enroute to New Orleans.

      The miraculous birth took place

      just below the city of Natchez,

      Mississippi just below a stock

      farm (manger)... There appeared

      a Blue Carnation in a vase on

      a night table by THE mother's

      bed... It was immediately

      arranged for him to be given

      a home in which to be raised.

      His foster parents raised him

      in a small southern river town

      [Paducah, Kentucky]. He adopted

      their name and became known

      as Paul Twitchell." [end of quote]



      We, also, have Twit saying this

      as an excuse for his lies and self-

      promotion [pg. 126]:



      "So therefore we got to be, to

      place ourselves in the mainstream,

      which I hope I do and I have to say,

      unless I make myself a Historical

      Figure, the struggle of ECK for

      survival is useless. And the question

      of that comes up, well, why? Why

      do you make such a statement as

      that? Every man who sets out to

      do something in this world, unless

      he made himself a Historical Figure,

      then he never again is remembered

      except by a few when he passes."



      PT's Paris (Kentucky) Story is

      on page 254 and comes from

      an article in The Mystic World

      July-Aug.-Sept, 1971:



      "The rest of his story is told in

      fragments of his first visit to

      Paris to be with his stepsister,

      who was in training to be an

      artist. It was here that he first

      met Sudar Singh, an ECK Master,

      and followed him to India with

      his stepsister to study ECK..."



      More about "Paris" (Kentucky)

      from pages 38-40:



      "Later I would be able to go to

      Paris to see my sister who was

      studying art at one of the art

      studios Over There. She was

      under an instructor who had

      studied under Degas... who was

      a very famous portrait painter

      of the opera and the ballet during

      his day in PARIS."



      Thus, we can clearly see that Twit

      was lying and trying to deceive us

      into thinking this was Paris, France

      (not Paris, Kentucky) since he's

      including Degas in the story.



      "I suppose that that's where she

      got her ability to paint figures

      because she had COPIED Degas

      time and time again... Well, in

      living in Paris, I was quite happy

      at the time when I was OVER there

      with my SISTER, my stepsister,

      Katie." [Twit would call her Kay-Dee]



      "...we took advantage of this freedom,

      because for some reason the Europeans

      seemed to have an affection for young

      people, more than they had in the

      western countries, particularly at that

      time." [Here, PT has without a doubt

      connected-the-dots for us by saying

      that he was in Europe and not Kentucky]



      "We were just a few block away from

      Montmartre, where all the famous

      artists were living... Edgar Degas was

      the last that I knew of, Katie was very

      close to him because she was studying

      under one of his students." [Was Degas

      even living in this year? What a liar!]



      "WE met with Sudar Singh who was the

      leading advocate of Soul Travel. From

      Paris we decided that we would go back

      to his little ashram, which was five miles

      above ALLAHABAD, on what they call Old

      Canteen Road..." [So, from Paris, France

      (Kentucky) they went to Allahabad, India!]



      "After I had left India, came home, I was

      then about sixteen. I had a year or so to

      do some work in order to finish my degree."

      [page 48]



      Note: Klemp gives Paul's birthdate as

      Oct. 22, 1908. Thus, if Paul was 16

      this was 1924. However, Klemp states

      on eckankar.org that at age 27 (1935)

      Paul was trying to get into "Who's Who

      in Kentucky" by "exaggerating" and

      "twisting facts" and that he'd never

      traveled outside of the United States

      at that time. Therefore, Paul is still,

      as the M/LEM, lying about these events

      in 1971! And, PT was never in Paris,

      France prior to 1965 and never traveled

      to India (from Paris) with his sister to

      meet Sudar Singh at age 16.



      Here's another PT tidbit that tells a lot:



      "Now, a lot of the impressions that I first

      set out in my first work, I'm having to go

      back and redo these things and try to

      correct them." [page 135]



      prometheus



      etznab wrote:



      Prometheus & All,



      Where and when do you suppose the idea

      of "The" Living Master first occurred in the

      records of history?



      Anybody want to hazard a guess about the

      time frame?



      How about the country?



      Etznab



      Hello Z and All,

      I agree that there is only One link

      up with the Divine. IMO it's not

      through a manmade religion or via

      their manmade initiations. It's an

      on-going series of private, personal,

      and subjective events/experiences

      with the Holy Spirit that excludes a

      group think/consciousness, although,

      we all have commonalities.



      No person (Klemp or otherwise) nor

      any imaginary "Inner Master" can dole

      out real/true initiations (denoting levels

      of spiritual consciousness) to others

      by saying this or that person deserves

      one while another doesn't.



      However, one has to understand how

      religion works. It's very competitive.

      It's almost like buying an insurance

      policy. The one that has the best

      word of mouth reputation via happy

      customers and advertises more, while

      having the best value and coverage

      for the cost, usually does well until

      it defaults due to too many claims

      that it can't cover. After a default

      or a hesitation on coverage of their

      promises (policy) the company

      (religion) can come across as an

      unsafe investment (scam). Thus,

      people will then start to shop

      around. However, if you're Self-

      insured you don't need to shop

      around...



      Yes, I too seem to remember Twit

      saying that Sat Nam will take over

      Soul's guidance upon receiving the

      5th initiation.



      In "The Path of the Masters" (pg. 199,

      1977 edition) it states that Sat Nam

      is the "Supreme Guru" and in Klemp's

      EK Lexicon he states that Sat Nam is

      "the lord of ALL ABOVE and below;

      the Power, the Light, flowing down

      and OUT to ALL CREATION, to CREATE,

      GOVERN, and SUSTAIN ALL REGIONS..."

      [pg. 183]



      If one is to take this literally it means

      that SAT NAM is the one true "Inner

      Master" versus the Mahanta! Plus,

      many other religions acknowledge

      Sat Nam and have written of this

      entity in ancient text while PT, on

      the other hand, created his "Mahanta"

      competitor in 1969.



      See, once again we can see how

      religions compete with one another

      for members. Eckists need to be

      willing to stand back and take a

      detached look.



      As I said before... buying into a

      religion is like buying insurance...

      just don't trust that you can collect

      on their promises (in this lifetime)

      and read the exclusions (fine print).

      However, one should remember

      that in the Free World one doesn't

      need to buy/have a religion. It's

      not the law!



      Prometheus



      zephrendhun wrote:



      Well said Promethius!



      But then again as I have said,

      there really is only one link up

      or one true initiation.



      IMO, all other initiations are

      EK ankar's way of maintaining

      'customer base'.



      The God Realized state can only

      be achieved through diligence

      by the chela to establish a one on

      one relationship with Divine Source.



      Strange though, I seem to remember

      reading somewhere in the works

      of ECK that after the chela reaches

      the 5th world, the Lord Sat Nam

      takes over looking after the chela

      and his journey into God Consciousness.

      I may be wrong, but I do believe

      I saw this somewhere in Paul's

      writings.



      Fashji



      prometheus wrote:



      Klemp doesn't deliver on any

      real promises does he? Why

      hasn't Klemp speeded up the

      ECK initiations so that the

      promise of God-Realization

      in This Lifetime can be fulfilled?



      Why were the EK initiations

      "slowed down" in the first

      place? Wasn't HK claiming

      the initiations were "slowed

      down" because of Darwin's

      past involvement with promoting

      500 EKists to the 5th before

      he was excommunicated? So,

      what's been the excuse since

      Klemp guided them to become

      real/full 5ths? And, DG promoting

      these 500 5ths didn't or shouldn't

      have affected the 6ths, 7ths,

      or 8th initiations! Klemp has

      been using this as an excuse

      Not to promote for all of these

      years! This is subterfuge!



      Where's the Master's promise

      of "protection" to chelas too?

      Instead, the excuse is that it's

      a "test" of faith (for H.I.s),

      or Karma and maybe a minor

      "test" for chelas (lower initiates).



      Here's a quote from HK's

      Eckankar Lexicon:



      "HUKIKAT LOK. The plane

      of GOD-REALIZATION where

      Soul learns GOD-KNOWLEDGE;

      the EIGHTH PLANE. The sound

      is of a thousand violins; the

      word is Aluk. HIGHEST STATE

      SOUL GENERALLY REACHES;

      the first realm created that

      IS AVAILABLE TO BEINGS, SOULS,

      and ENTITIES for DWELLING."

      [page. 91]



      Thus, "Souls," "Beings," and

      "Entities" "Generally Reach

      and Dwell" on this 8th Plane

      via the 8th Initiation.



      BTW- Who are these "Beings"

      and "Entities" that the 8th

      Plane is "Available To?"



      Notice that HK states that

      Soul "Generally Reaches" the

      "8th Plane." Does that include

      all Souls, or just those paying

      that Annual ECKankar Membership

      Donation/Fee? it's unclear isn't

      it? However, HK's Eckankar Lexicon

      doesn't require an EK Membership

      I.D. to purchase it... thus, it's

      for the public too. One has to

      assume that HK is speaking "in

      general" terms and that this includes

      all Souls, Beings, and Entities

      whoever or whatever they are!



      Yes, who are these "Beings" and

      "Entities" that Klemp is including?



      However, since ECKists are special

      since they have a "Mahanta" why is

      it that they aren't growing by leaps

      and bounds with "Higher" Initiations?

      Is this a paradox or a Catch-22 or

      what? IMO it's another Catch-22

      "Test!"



      Really! Let's think about it.

      Why hasn't Klemp handed

      out more 8th Initiations? By

      my guesstimate there should

      be at least 3,000 8th Initiates

      by now!



      I know that this figure sounds

      inflated and even impossible!

      Most Eckists would be shocked

      to see such a high number and

      would immediately discount and

      deny that such a high number

      would be possible. Maybe some

      H.I.s would give a nervous laugh

      or just say Haw! But, think about

      it for awhile. Let it sink in and

      consider the possibility. Hasn't

      the Consciousness of ECKists,

      and Eckankar as a group, expanded

      or "evolved" to the point where

      there should be 3,000 8th Plane

      Initiates?



      Reread the above definition for

      HUKIKAT LOK that is, also, in

      Twitchell's (1973) Eckankar

      Dictionary. Except, in Twitchell's

      Eckankar Dictionary PT stated

      this:



      "HUKIKAT LOK. The plane of

      God-Realization where Soul

      learns God-knowledge, the

      eighth plane." [pg. 62]



      Thus Klemp added the following

      to PT's HUKIKAT LOK definition

      in his 1998 EK Lexicon:



      "The sound is of a thousand

      violins; the word is Aluk.

      HIGHEST STATE SOUL GENERALLY

      REACHES; the first realm created

      that IS AVAILABLE TO BEINGS,

      SOULS, and ENTITIES for DWELLING."



      Anyway, isn't one of the big

      promises of Eckankar that of

      reaching Spiritual Freedom and

      Self-Mastery, in This Lifetime,

      via the ECK Initiations that are

      seen as "yardsticks" to Higher

      Consciousness? Sure it is!



      So, where are all of those 8th

      Initiations? Klemp is just selfish

      and time is running out for him

      and others. He, or someone, needs

      to make restitution and keep those

      promises, at least, with the 8th

      Initiation which equates to God-

      Realization! Even if Klemp can't

      protect the health and well being

      of his, DG's and PT's initiates

      he could at least promote and

      give ECKists the 8th Initiation.



      If it's too much for Klemp (the

      LEM/Mahanta) to handle alone

      he can designate some of the

      responsibility to Rebazar and

      the other EK Masters. Therefore,

      there really shouldn't be any more

      delays or excuses. Promote them

      now!



      Prometheus

      p.s. It's really too bad that there

      can't be an honest and open discussion

      about this. ECKists are instructed

      to "surrender" and "serve" with

      detachment and are to keep "silent"

      and not to "second guess" the LEM/

      Mahanta. But, isn't this how religions

      have always maintained control

      over their followers? What does

      Klemp have to fear? It's the "Truth"

      that he fears and this is why HK

      relies upon the RESA police hierarchy,

      with their positions of authority,

      to surpress their fellow 7th Initiates.



      ******

      Some European Countries

      Protect Their Citizens From

      the Cults of ECKankar and

      Scientology.



      I saw where the French office

      of the Church of Scientology

      sect got into trouble for fraud.



      Is it possible that Eckankar

      could be next? Apparently

      Eckankar and Scientology

      are listed as "sects/cults"

      in many European countries

      (France, Belgium, Germany,

      etc.). These sects, like Scientology

      and Eckankar, don't have the

      legal status of main stream

      religions, nor do they have

      the same benefits under their

      laws.



      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/27/church-of-scientology-con_n_335063.html



      The question is:



      What could be regarded as fraud?



      Would the Annual EK Membership

      Donation/Fee that promises

      enlightenment (God-Realization),

      via the 8th initiation for most

      Eckists in this lifetime, as well

      as, the "Protections" of the Master

      for all chelas (that never happens)

      be considered as Fraud? Klemp

      slowed these initiations down

      due to Darwin's involvement,

      but that's been a long time ago!



      Look at all of the ECKists

      who have died of or have

      contracted Cancer and other

      diseases! Yet, Klemp (the

      Master) promises them

      "Protection!"



      And, look at HK's "promises"

      to chelas and H.I.s involving

      God-Realization in this lifetime

      and yet he doesn't offer enough

      Higher Initiations to fullfil his

      promises! And, maintaining

      one's initiations is directly tied

      into the Annual EK Membership

      Donation Fee.



      Thus, the taking of money by

      Klemp, and Eckankar, for EK

      Discourses and EK Memberships

      and the making of False Promises

      to chelas for this present lifetime

      constitutes Fraud even though

      this isn't illegal in the U.S. for

      religions to make false promises.

      However, it is unethical and

      amoral at the very least! It does

      give "hope" to the disillusioned,

      disenfranchised, fearful, and needy,

      but isn't Eckankar supposed to

      be the best and highest path to

      help these Souls on earth, as well

      as, in heaven? Why then aren't the

      "promises" of the Master a reality

      in the physical instead of always

      being a KAL test or Karma?



      However, under most European

      Laws would this failure to deliver

      be considered to be fraudulent

      enough to be classified as a crime

      against the public? It seems so!



      It could be that under the laws

      of certain European countries that

      Eckankar (a religious Sect) could

      be found Guilty of Fraud IF an Eckist,

      or former Eckist, decided to be

      refunded the sums of their Annual

      EK Membership Donation Fees,

      and Eckankar denied the refunds.



      Maybe some former or current

      German, French, and Belgium

      Eckists will consider asking Eckankar

      for a refund for the sum of their

      EK Memberships over the years!



      Will Eckankar follow Scientology?



      ******



      Here's an excerpt of the definition

      of Fraud from Black's Law Dictionary

      (1991):



      "FRAUD. An intentional perversion

      of truth for the purpose of inducing

      another in reliance upon it to part

      with some valuable thing belonging

      to him or to surrender a legal right...



      [A Required/Requested Annual

      Membership Donation $$$$$$]



      Elements of a cause of action for

      'fraud' include false representation

      of a present or past fact made by

      the defendant, action in reliance

      thereupon by plaintiff, and damage

      resulting to plaintiff from such

      misrepresentation... As distinguished

      from negligence, it is always

      positive, intentional. It comprises

      all acts, omissions, and concealments

      involving a breach of a legal or

      equitable duty and resulting in

      damage to another. And includes

      anything calculated to deceive,

      whether it be a single act or

      combination of circumstances...

      Fraud, as applied to contracts,

      is the cause of an error bearing

      on a material part of the contract,

      created or contained by artifice,

      with design to obtain some unjust

      advantage to one party, or to cause

      an inconvenience or loss to the other."



      Thus, Eckankar has conducted a

      fraud of misrepresentation since

      it doesn't deliver on the Higher

      Initiations ["omissions"] required

      to attain God-Realization! [Refer

      to the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Book

      2, Chapter 12.]



      Klemp, as the LEM/M, has an implied

      "contract" with his followers, but

      he only makes empty promises

      and does not fulfill his obligations,

      and yet he's ready and willing to take

      Eckists' hard earned money!



      And, let's look at Eckankar's

      "concealment" regarding Twitchell's

      plagiarisms, and that Klemp continues

      to cover-up these facts.



      Thus, Eckankar, and all religions,

      sects, and cults (unless proven to be

      guilty of higher crimes) basically have

      carte blanche,' in the U.S., and can

      make false promises for money.



      What a scam! Eckists have been paying

      for their initiations for years but have

      been locked-out of those required for

      God-Realization!



      It's no wonder that Twit followed L. Ron's

      lead. However, in Belgium, France and

      Germany these cults and sects don't

      have the same protection as "religions"

      do. This is what the U.S. should have

      done 50 years ago!



      Prometheus
    • prometheus_973
      Hello Etznab and All, This is quite a long post, but it has interesting time- line info that proves both Twitchell and Klemp are liars! Here re the Timelines
      Message 2 of 5 , Nov 7, 2009
        Hello Etznab and All,
        This is quite a long post,
        but it has interesting time-
        line info that proves both
        Twitchell and Klemp are liars!

        Here're the Timelines from
        HK's "Behind the Scenes with
        Paul Twitchell" (on Eckankar.org)
        and from PT's audio interview
        "Difficulties Of Becoming the LEM"
        [DOBTLEM]:

        First, Klemp gives Twitchell's
        birthdate as 10/22/1908.

        *At age 16 (1924) PT claims to
        have traveled to Paris, France
        (where Montmartre is located)
        to visit his stepsister Kay-Dee
        (Katie) and then traveled to India
        to meet Sudar Singh.

        "We were just a few block away from
        Montmartre, where all the famous
        artists were living... Edgar Degas was
        the last that I knew of, Katie was very
        close to him because she was studying
        under one of his students." [Was Degas
        even living in this year? What a liar!]

        "WE met with Sudar Singh who was the
        leading advocate of Soul Travel. From
        Paris we decided that we would go back
        to his little ashram, which was five miles
        above ALLAHABAD, on what they call Old
        Canteen Road..." [So, from Paris, France
        (Kentucky) they went to Allahabad, India!]

        "After I had left India, came home, I was
        then about sixteen. I had a year or so to
        do some work in order to finish my degree."
        [DOBTLEM, page 48]


        *Klemp claims, on Eckankar.org,
        that Twitchell at age 27 (1935) was
        'exaggerating' and 'twisting facts'
        to get into Who's Who in Kentucky
        and that PT had never traveled far
        from home. Thus, no trip to India,
        after Paris, to meet Sudar in 1924!

        BTW- Marman claims that Twit was
        actually visiting his stepsister in Paris,
        Kentucky versus Paris, France. However,
        it's obvious that Twitchell was referring
        to being in France versus Kentucky
        because he mentioned "Montmartre."
        Thus, it's clear that PT lied about traveling
        to India, after Paris, at age 16 (1924).

        *Twitchell states that he met
        Rebazar in 1947 on his "first"
        visit to India and that Kirpal
        Singh was dead, and that he
        received the 7th Initiation. by
        Rebazar." [DOBTLEM, pg. 70]

        *Klemp mentions that Twit met
        with Rebazar in 1951 on his
        "second" trip to India.

        *This "second" trip is when
        Twitchell claims to have
        "finished" his Initiations under
        Rebazar, thus, PT is basically
        saying he got the 12th from
        RT in 1951!

        *From 1950-1955 Twitchell
        was a chela of Swami Premananda.

        *From 1955-1965 Twitchell
        was initiated by Kirpal Singh
        (aka "Sudar" Singh) who was
        the spiritual leader and living
        Master of Ruhani Satsang. Kirpal
        died in 1974 (three years after
        Twitchell).

        *During this time frame PT
        was also associated with
        L. Ron and Scientology.

        *PT, also, had Gail initiated
        by Kirpal on his second visit
        to the U.S. around 1961 or
        1963 (I forget).

        *Kirpal returned Twitchell's
        "The Tiger's Fang" manuscript
        circa June, 1966 after a "falling
        out" centering around PT's
        'exaggerations' and the 'twisting
        of facts' involving Paul's
        travels/experiences to the
        inner planes. PT was trying
        to exalt himself to great
        heights in order to have Kirpal
        give him the authority to give
        initiations in the U.S. This
        "authority" would have given
        PT the validity he was seeking
        in order to break away from
        Kirpal and start his own sect
        of Ruhani Satsang.

        Prometheus


        etznab wrote:

        Do you have a page number where
        it mentions Sudar Singh had passed
        away by 1947?

        [P]- page 70

        Etznab


        Prometheus wrote:
        Here's some detailed info on
        Rebazar and PT's initiations,
        but first a look at how/where/
        when Paul studied and learned
        how to control the "group mind."

        "My life of Several Years in
        Washington D.C., was uneventful
        in the fact that I didn't do any-
        thing great. I didn't do anything
        wonderful..."

        [Paul was just a "normal" liar
        during his transitional period.]

        "I could come and go in the
        embassies fairly well as much
        as I wanted to and got to know
        people of this nature and to be
        able to study them, and find out
        that they were people who only
        had actually, a tremendous amount
        of knowledge about How Group
        Minds Work, How National Minds
        Work in a Country, and have a
        tremendous knowledge about
        relations, Human Relations."
        [pg. 68]


        See, how Paul is studying the
        "group mind" to find ways to
        control the masses. Sounds
        like what a Black Magician
        would do!

        Next is PT's Sudar and Rebazar
        story. Notice how it seems that
        Paul's making it all up as he
        goes along. He tends to backtrack
        some, exaggerates, or gets
        details and facts wrong. Lying
        takes much more effort than
        recounting the truth. Remember,
        too, this book was transcribed
        from audio interviews done
        circa June-July, 1971).



        "Well, anyway, in about 1947,
        it was right shortly after the
        Indians nation, India, received
        their freedom from England
        and then became a nation...
        I went over to Darjeeling...
        right on the Sikkim border...
        I went up there at the time
        after being over in Allahabad,
        and there wasn't much left
        there after SUDAR SINGH HAD
        PASSED AWAY.

        But then I went there and I'd
        been told that I would find the
        ECK Master Rebazar Tarzs, I've
        got something about that in
        one of my books, I think it's
        Introduction to ECK in which
        I have it. I told about meeting
        him up in that part of the world.

        I STAYED THERE FOR QUITE
        SOME TIME WITH HIM [Rebazar],
        SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS, BEING
        TAUGHT AND LEARNING THE
        WORKS OF ECK. And then I
        was told to come back because
        then I would start into the true
        works of ECKANKAR.

        Now, HE INITIATED ME THERE.
        I had already BEEN INITIATED
        BY SUDAR SINGH, THE SAME
        AS EVERYBODY ELSE, THE
        SECOND INITIATION.

        AND I GOT THE THIRD AND
        THE FOURTH. I WENT UP
        THROUGH about THE SEVENTH
        AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.

        Then he [Rebazar?] moved
        across over into Kashmir,
        up in the Hindu Kush Mountains,
        and later, BUT NOT ON THIS
        TRIP, I FOLLOWED HIM UP THERE
        AND I GOT THE FINISH OF MY
        INITIATIONS." [pgs. 70-71]



        Thus, Twitchell is claiming, in
        this 1971 Interview, that AFTER
        he was discharged from the Navy,
        in 1947, that he "physically"
        traveled to India and stayed with
        Rebazar for "SIX to SEVEN MONTHS"
        and was given the SEVENTH
        INITIATION by him. Klemp claims
        on Eckankar.org that PT "physically"
        returned to INDIA, a second time,
        to meet Rebazar in 1951.

        http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man.html

        However, the timeline shows
        that Twitchell was a member
        of Swami Premananda's church
        from 1950-1955, and was a
        member of Kirpal Singh's Ruhani
        Satsang (and/or was associated
        with him) from 1955-1965.

        Of course, Paul was, also, a
        member of Scientology after
        he, supposedly, received the
        7th Initiation from Rebazar
        in 1947.

        Even Klemp admits that there
        was still a connection with Kirpal
        Singh involving PT's The Tiger's
        Fang manuscript and a falling
        out with Kirpal.

        http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/writings.html

        Also, isn't it strange that Klemp
        mentions Kirpal's name about
        15 times and 970th LEM Sudar's
        name about 4 times in this info
        "Behind the Scenes with Paul
        Twitchell!"

        However, How could Paul have
        gotten the 7th Initiation from
        Rebazar, in India, in 1947 and
        then become an initiate of Kirpal
        Singh during the timeline of
        having written "The Tiger's Fang?"
        Kirpal returned the manuscript
        to Paul circa 1966.

        Plus, Kirpal initiated Paul in
        1955 on his first visit to the
        U.S. and Gail was initiated
        by Kirpal on his next visit
        to the U.S.! Why would Paul
        want an initiation by Kirpal,
        in 1955, if PT was a 7th
        Initiate in Eckankar in 1947
        and a 12th (finished) in 1951?

        Thus, we have another reason
        as to why Klemp and Company
        doesn't want this "historic"
        document reprinted!

        Also, why did Paul need to
        "PHYSICALLY RETURN" to India
        and climb the Hindu Kush Mountains
        to revisit Rebazar, after receiving
        the SEVENTH INITIATION (in 1947),
        in order to "finish" his initiations
        with Rebazar.

        Twit states, on page 71, about
        an experience with Rebazar (in
        1947) while sitting under a shade
        tree:

        "... when I was staying at the
        Ashram in ALLAHABAD which
        belonged to Sudar Singh...
        I'll say something here about
        Rebazar Tarzs... I THOUGHT
        that he had MANIFESTED himself
        because I just looked up and
        and there he was walking towards
        me... I FELT that he'd MANIFESTED
        himself because I had averted
        my eyes from the path which
        was directly in front of me, for
        just a matter of moments as
        anyone would do if they look
        around."

        Now, Why would Twit need to
        travel to India in his physical
        body a "second time" if Rebazar
        could "manifest" himself anywhere?

        Wasn't "Dialogues with the Master"
        dictated to Twit at night, in his
        bedroom, in the U.S., via Rebazar
        physically "manifesting" himself!

        See! It's all a bunch of lies and
        Klemp is part of it and the cover-up!

        But, then again, Klemp doesn't
        want to ruin the good thing he's
        got going on, and he certainly
        doesn't want to give up the power
        trip he's on. It's cool to have
        thousands of people bow down
        before you, to get giddy and nervous
        in your presence and thinking
        Harry's "Higher" than the "God"
        of all of the other religions on
        earth!

        Can Eckists see the irony of,
        "My God is Bigger Than Yours!"


        prometheus wrote:

        Hello Sharon and All,
        Yes, Paul does truly reveal himself
        in this book. His negative attitude
        and subversiveness, while in the
        Navy during WWII, was a real eye-
        opener! I can see why Klemp and
        Company don't want this book
        reprinted... WOW!

        After all, in June, 1971 when
        Twitch was recounting these
        earlier experiences (that were
        later placed into this book) Paul
        was the "Full" Mahanta, and
        didn't have any problem with
        nor find any fault with his
        past behaviours. He had no
        regrets about it! To Twitchell
        the Navy was a joke and he
        was going to have some sport
        with them (manipulate them)
        and take it easy while they miss-
        placed his paperwork due, in
        part, to his passive/aggressive
        attitude toward "superior officers."

        PT: "... on setting my mind on
        something, it was going to work
        exactly my way. If I got into the
        service, I wasn't going to be
        bothered with this sort of thing,
        of going out there on the front
        line and fighting. I was going to
        find myself a nice, comfortable
        berth someplace and be kept
        there."

        "I found out so many times in
        dealing with thousands of people,
        that they never knew this. And
        this is one of the Acts of Power
        that all the Dictators and everybody
        else had found, BUT I was using
        it in My way and Not using it as
        a control over a great number of
        people, EXCEPT to keep Myself
        out of positions of danger."

        "... the higher echelon, or the
        superior officers, were always
        having a rough time with me
        because I never acted in accordance
        to what they expected of their
        enlisted personnel. I could block
        them and create all sorts of
        frustrations and problems for
        them which they never knew
        was happening, or they never
        laid the CAUSE to me. I could
        get the papers fumbled up on
        myself until one time they got
        me lost! ... this sort of thing
        had created a vacuum which
        I had set out to do, to create
        the confusion, and I was 'lost'
        between battalions."

        "... sometimes I'd go downtown,
        and sometimesI'd go to the
        canteen on the base, or I'd
        sleep or do something."

        "Well, life became sort of a
        'don't care' --happy-go-lucky--
        Easy Way of living sort of thing
        and everybody was having a big
        laugh, and all that sort of thing.
        So then I decided that I had to
        be an officer..."

        "I knew that if anybody was Never
        physically fit for sea duty, that
        was me, because Psychologically
        I didn't want to get shot at. So
        I set the wheels in motion Behind
        The Scenes and the first thing
        I did, I went over to see the man
        who swore in new officers... which
        should have been the last thing
        on the list of doing. So he swore
        me in and there was nothing that
        they could do about it because
        I flunked my physical examination;
        I got out of most of them, but I
        flunked what I did take and made
        them awfully mad, but they says,
        'I don't know what to do.' ... And
        instead of going to sea, they started
        me in a training school..."

        "And all of this thing was in motion
        working for me, this Behind The Scene
        thing that I was talking about that
        I had learned to control my own
        destiny." [pgs. 52-57]

        Thus, we can see how a ConMan
        like Twit thinks and behaves even
        during wartime. It's all about him
        and having an angle. And, is it a
        coincidence that Twit mentions
        the term "Behind the Scenes" twice
        and that Klemp has a section on
        Eckankar.org that is titled "Behind
        the Scenes" with Paul Twitchell.

        BTW- Here are excerpts from the
        MR. ECK story (pgs. 94-96):

        "... I was on a parking lot getting
        ready to pull out, when some gentleman,
        long, lanky, looked like he had been
        dried up like a bean pole and a little
        hat on his head, rushed over and
        viewed my license plate which had
        nothing but 'ECK' on it; that is all,
        no numbers or anything. And he says,
        'Are you Mr. ECK?' And I very cautiously
        answered him, 'Why, yes, of course.'
        Which meaning, that of course as the
        MAHANTA, the Living ECK Master,
        I'm Mr. ECK, yes. He says, 'Y'know,
        I married... or rather my wife's maiden
        name was ECK, Amy ECK.' I says, 'Well,
        isn't that wonderful!' He says, 'Yes,
        it is.'

        [So, since the Mahanta is the ECK
        Paul didn't really lie to this guy.
        See how Twitchell rationalizes
        and makes it all up as he goes
        along. BTW -I shortened the
        dialogue because Paul goes on
        and on.]


        "... He just went away in a very
        blurred manner, his mind was only
        thinking of the communication and
        the warm relationship that he had
        suddenly struck up with this stranger
        here who was actually in a way, kidding
        him...."

        "Well, this is one of the funny things
        about the Astral Plane and the Physical
        Plane because the Astral Plane will do
        a lot of this in the sense of Not, it's
        Not a Deceit or anything BUT it is arousing
        the emotions and the emotions overcome
        common sense on the intellectual side
        and we don't have any answer to give
        when somebody makes us recall an
        incident as what would be in this,
        projecting ourselves in the future to
        say what we would think of it."

        PT's comments in this book
        show the foundations of
        deceit behind Eckankar.

        I had a message that we
        need to 'let go and move
        on.' Well, I will when Eckists
        do! When those I helped to
        bring into the EK org. recognize
        the lies, quit, and move on
        then I will too!


        Prometheus


        brighttigress wrote:

        [Digest Number 1527]


        Good one, Prometheus!

        "Diff" is a great book because it
        reveals a lot about Twitch, in his
        own words. I really do think that
        subconsciously, Twitch wanted
        people to see that ekult was just
        one big scam, sort of a practical
        joke, and he wanted to be recognized
        for his criminal genius.

        I always thought his claims about
        the number of books he'd read were
        a gross exaggeration. It's humanly
        impossible. And his claims that he
        could "read" a book by sleeping on it -
        well, Edgar Cayce could do that, and
        Twitch stole the idea. Just like he
        referred to Cayce when he was caught
        giving the same expensive "eck-vidya"
        readings to the same people, and threw
        a bit of a Wizard of Oz "Pay no attention
        to the man behind the curtain" hissy-fit
        and told people he had "masterly" reasons
        for the duplicate readings that lowbies
        couldn't understand - and he whined
        that surely Cayce had made some mistakes
        in his "readings", too.

        I forget where Twitch wrote that he was
        going to rewrite history, but I remember
        posting the quote a long time ago. And,
        is it in "Diff" where Twitch writes about
        running into a derelict-type one night,
        who was looking for "Mr. Eck", and had
        that lightbulb moment and decided that
        *he* would be "Mr. Eck"?

        And the one where he's walking on the
        beach feeling sorry for himself and looking
        at his failed life....moaning & groaning
        "why me"....when aha, he realizes it's
        because he's been in training to become
        Master of the Universe!!

        Puh-leeze!!!

        If you read Twitch's own thoughts & words,
        and delete all the purloined "spiritual" stuff,
        he truly reveals himself.

        Hugs,

        Sharon

        Prometheus wrote:
        These quotes are from "Difficulties
        Of Becoming The Living ECK Master."

        Here's a 1971 comment from PT
        from page 28:

        "I knew that I myself was not the
        same as that child that was next
        to me. I knew that I was superior
        in my mentality, I knew that I was
        superior to the teacher in all my
        knowledge, in all my understanding."

        Here's what appeared earlier in
        the Oct.-Nov.-Dec. 1970 Mystic
        World article (page 244):

        "Paul does not appear to like the
        intellectual person. He says they
        are all the same, making elaborate
        little plans. They give fussy attention
        to small perfections and when something
        goes wrong because of their inborn
        blindness, they scream frantically
        for help from someone else to act
        in their behalf--to do something
        for them."

        Thus, it seems we have another PT
        contradiction or a self-loathing!

        BTW- Since, Klemp is listed in the
        "International Who's Who of INTELLECTUALS,
        ninth edition" is Paul (the original
        Mahanta) giving a reading to Klemp
        via the ECK-Vidya, or is this proof
        that Klemp Would Not have been
        Paul's choice to become the LEM/M!

        Here's more of what Paul has to say
        about his intellect and how to "read"
        books (pg. 30):

        "Anyway, this was one of the things
        I'm trying to show you that where
        I had a SUPERIOR MENTALITY, INTELLECT,
        over these other people, and I got
        it in the way that I told you one time
        from SLEEPING ON BOOKS, and SOMETIMES
        READING THEM and sometimes it
        just came natural to me... This
        was a part of that which we call the
        mastership or the training of the
        ECK mastership."

        More on what Paul has to say about
        reading (pg. 98):

        "It is said now that a reader who is
        a good reader, who enjoys reading,
        can read 7,000 books a year normally.
        I have proven this out myself because
        when I was in Seattle I READ ABOUT
        35,000 BOOKS, OR I DON'T SAY THAT
        I PARTICULARLY READ THEM WORD
        FOR WORD. I WENT THROUGH 35,000
        BOOKS of every subject you can know
        which built me a background for a
        certain bit of the work I have today...
        when I was in Washington, D.C. for
        several years, I READ about 15,000
        books in the Congressional Library...
        in New York. I MAY HAVE READ 5,000
        or something like that when I was
        there for one year in 1946."

        Well, as we can see Paul is Full of
        B.S. He sounds like the ConMan
        that he was and shows us that at
        the most he either "skimmed" these
        35,000 books, or is lying about
        this too! But, in any case he does
        show us how he created the
        "background" for Eckankar as
        "a certain bit of the work I have
        today."

        Here's more PT comments (1971)
        that tend to contradict the use of
        skim-reading and the sleeping on
        books for "chelas" with regard to
        The ECK Discourses (pgs.196-197):

        "They lack a good understanding
        as to what is taking place as they
        study these. Often they become
        entangled in trying to figure out
        a syntax, notice a typographical
        error, or READ QUICKLY FOR
        INFORMATION. They tie themselves
        up in all sorts of LOGIC, GRAMMAR,
        and other sorts of opinions and
        SOME READ QUICKLY and say,
        'There is nothing new in that.'

        This is nothing new because EKists,
        still, tend to fill-in the blanks with
        their imaginations when the info
        comes up short (too simple), is
        redundant, lacks details, and seems
        illogical (unbelievable, untrue).

        "The Second Factor is that the
        student who is in A HURRY FOR
        INFORMATION and engages in
        SPEED READING or JUMPS TO
        CONCLUSIONS on the basis of
        a few paragraphs HASTILY
        SCAMMED, misses the most
        important benefits of all."

        It's no wonder that Eckists
        still get confused with the
        "do as I say, not as I do"
        attitude and rules that all
        religious leaders use!

        BTW- What are "the most
        important benefits of all,"
        for the chela, that PT is
        mentioning in this last
        sentence? Aren't the Higher
        EK Initiations the most
        important benefits of all!

        Prometheus

        HK's God-Realization Promise and the 8th Initiation!

        prometheus wrote:

        Hello Etznab and All,
        Or, we could look at "The" living
        "saviour" origin as well. I don't
        know! However, PT realized that
        people needed a living idol to adore
        and had this Mystic World article
        written in his behalf:

        "But few ever connect him up with
        being a holy man, the MAHANTA,
        the Living ECK Master. There is a
        need of the people to believe in
        the magic of a saviour, and Sri Paul
        Twitchell knows this and acts out
        the part." [April-May-June 1971,
        Difficulties of Becoming the LEM,
        pg. 250]

        However, in order to become a
        "Saviour" Paul had to have had
        a Virgin Birth (this is SOP). The
        following comes from pages 251-
        253 of Difficulties of Becoming
        the Living ECK Master:

        "Ramaj, viceroy for Sat Nam...
        Rebazar Tarzs... Gopal Das..and
        Yaubl Sacabi... met to discuss
        the birth of the coming Avatar
        for the Twentieth Century,
        Peddar Zaskq. Born in the
        Caucasian mountains during
        the seventeenth century...
        Given several years in the art
        of silence and Darkness he gained
        enlightenment in preparation
        for his return to the Twentieth
        Century. [HK should take note
        of this next statement] When
        the time came for his demise,
        he passed away still looking
        the same youthful appearance
        yet beyond the normal age of
        man....

        This time Peddar Zaskq was
        born on a Mississippi River
        packet enroute to New Orleans.
        The miraculous birth took place
        just below the city of Natchez,
        Mississippi just below a stock
        farm (manger)... There appeared
        a Blue Carnation in a vase on
        a night table by THE mother's
        bed... It was immediately
        arranged for him to be given
        a home in which to be raised.
        His foster parents raised him
        in a small southern river town
        [Paducah, Kentucky]. He adopted
        their name and became known
        as Paul Twitchell." [end of quote]


        We, also, have Twit saying this
        as an excuse for his lies and self-
        promotion [pg. 126]:

        "So therefore we got to be, to
        place ourselves in the mainstream,
        which I hope I do and I have to say,
        unless I make myself a Historical
        Figure, the struggle of ECK for
        survival is useless. And the question
        of that comes up, well, why? Why
        do you make such a statement as
        that? Every man who sets out to
        do something in this world, unless
        he made himself a Historical Figure,
        then he never again is remembered
        except by a few when he passes."


        PT's Paris (Kentucky) Story is
        on page 254 and comes from
        an article in The Mystic World
        July-Aug.-Sept, 1971:

        "The rest of his story is told in
        fragments of his first visit to
        Paris to be with his stepsister,
        who was in training to be an
        artist. It was here that he first
        met Sudar Singh, an ECK Master,
        and followed him to India with
        his stepsister to study ECK..."

        More about "Paris" (Kentucky)
        from pages 38-40:

        "Later I would be able to go to
        Paris to see my sister who was
        studying art at one of the art
        studios Over There. She was
        under an instructor who had
        studied under Degas... who was
        a very famous portrait painter
        of the opera and the ballet during
        his day in PARIS."

        Thus, we can clearly see that Twit
        was lying and trying to deceive us
        into thinking this was Paris, France
        (not Paris, Kentucky) since he's
        including Degas in the story.

        "I suppose that that's where she
        got her ability to paint figures
        because she had COPIED Degas
        time and time again... Well, in
        living in Paris, I was quite happy
        at the time when I was OVER there
        with my SISTER, my stepsister,
        Katie." [Twit would call her Kay-Dee]

        "...we took advantage of this freedom,
        because for some reason the Europeans
        seemed to have an affection for young
        people, more than they had in the
        western countries, particularly at that
        time." [Here, PT has without a doubt
        connected-the-dots for us by saying
        that he was in Europe and not Kentucky]

        "We were just a few block away from
        Montmartre, where all the famous
        artists were living... Edgar Degas was
        the last that I knew of, Katie was very
        close to him because she was studying
        under one of his students." [Was Degas
        even living in this year? What a liar!]

        "WE met with Sudar Singh who was the
        leading advocate of Soul Travel. From
        Paris we decided that we would go back
        to his little ashram, which was five miles
        above ALLAHABAD, on what they call Old
        Canteen Road..." [So, from Paris, France
        (Kentucky) they went to Allahabad, India!]

        "After I had left India, came home, I was
        then about sixteen. I had a year or so to
        do some work in order to finish my degree."
        [page 48]

        Note: Klemp gives Paul's birthdate as
        Oct. 22, 1908. Thus, if Paul was 16
        this was 1924. However, Klemp states
        on eckankar.org that at age 27 (1935)
        Paul was trying to get into "Who's Who
        in Kentucky" by "exaggerating" and
        "twisting facts" and that he'd never
        traveled outside of the United States
        at that time. Therefore, Paul is still,
        as the M/LEM, lying about these events
        in 1971! And, PT was never in Paris,
        France prior to 1965 and never traveled
        to India (from Paris) with his sister to
        meet Sudar Singh at age 16.

        Here's another PT tidbit that tells a lot:

        "Now, a lot of the impressions that I first
        set out in my first work, I'm having to go
        back and redo these things and try to
        correct them." [page 135]


        prometheus


        etznab wrote:

        Prometheus & All,

        Where and when do you suppose the idea
        of "The" Living Master first occurred in the
        records of history?

        Anybody want to hazard a guess about the
        time frame?

        How about the country?

        Etznab

        Hello Z and All,
        I agree that there is only One link
        up with the Divine. IMO it's not
        through a manmade religion or via
        their manmade initiations. It's an
        on-going series of private, personal,
        and subjective events/experiences
        with the Holy Spirit that excludes a
        group think/consciousness, although,
        we all have commonalities.

        No person (Klemp or otherwise) nor
        any imaginary "Inner Master" can dole
        out real/true initiations (denoting levels
        of spiritual consciousness) to others
        by saying this or that person deserves
        one while another doesn't.

        However, one has to understand how
        religion works. It's very competitive.
        It's almost like buying an insurance
        policy. The one that has the best
        word of mouth reputation via happy
        customers and advertises more, while
        having the best value and coverage
        for the cost, usually does well until
        it defaults due to too many claims
        that it can't cover. After a default
        or a hesitation on coverage of their
        promises (policy) the company
        (religion) can come across as an
        unsafe investment (scam). Thus,
        people will then start to shop
        around. However, if you're Self-
        insured you don't need to shop
        around...


        Yes, I too seem to remember Twit
        saying that Sat Nam will take over
        Soul's guidance upon receiving the
        5th initiation.

        In "The Path of the Masters" (pg. 199,
        1977 edition) it states that Sat Nam
        is the "Supreme Guru" and in Klemp's
        EK Lexicon he states that Sat Nam is
        "the lord of ALL ABOVE and below;
        the Power, the Light, flowing down
        and OUT to ALL CREATION, to CREATE,
        GOVERN, and SUSTAIN ALL REGIONS..."
        [pg. 183]

        If one is to take this literally it means
        that SAT NAM is the one true "Inner
        Master" versus the Mahanta! Plus,
        many other religions acknowledge
        Sat Nam and have written of this
        entity in ancient text while PT, on
        the other hand, created his "Mahanta"
        competitor in 1969.

        See, once again we can see how
        religions compete with one another
        for members. Eckists need to be
        willing to stand back and take a
        detached look.

        As I said before... buying into a
        religion is like buying insurance...
        just don't trust that you can collect
        on their promises (in this lifetime)
        and read the exclusions (fine print).
        However, one should remember
        that in the Free World one doesn't
        need to buy/have a religion. It's
        not the law!

        Prometheus


        zephrendhun wrote:

        Well said Promethius!

        But then again as I have said,
        there really is only one link up
        or one true initiation.

        IMO, all other initiations are
        EK ankar's way of maintaining
        'customer base'.

        The God Realized state can only
        be achieved through diligence
        by the chela to establish a one on
        one relationship with Divine Source.

        Strange though, I seem to remember
        reading somewhere in the works
        of ECK that after the chela reaches
        the 5th world, the Lord Sat Nam
        takes over looking after the chela
        and his journey into God Consciousness.
        I may be wrong, but I do believe
        I saw this somewhere in Paul's
        writings.

        Fashji

        prometheus wrote:

        Klemp doesn't deliver on any
        real promises does he? Why
        hasn't Klemp speeded up the
        ECK initiations so that the
        promise of God-Realization
        in This Lifetime can be fulfilled?

        Why were the EK initiations
        "slowed down" in the first
        place? Wasn't HK claiming
        the initiations were "slowed
        down" because of Darwin's
        past involvement with promoting
        500 EKists to the 5th before
        he was excommunicated? So,
        what's been the excuse since
        Klemp guided them to become
        real/full 5ths? And, DG promoting
        these 500 5ths didn't or shouldn't
        have affected the 6ths, 7ths,
        or 8th initiations! Klemp has
        been using this as an excuse
        Not to promote for all of these
        years! This is subterfuge!

        Where's the Master's promise
        of "protection" to chelas too?
        Instead, the excuse is that it's
        a "test" of faith (for H.I.s),
        or Karma and maybe a minor
        "test" for chelas (lower initiates).

        Here's a quote from HK's
        Eckankar Lexicon:

        "HUKIKAT LOK. The plane
        of GOD-REALIZATION where
        Soul learns GOD-KNOWLEDGE;
        the EIGHTH PLANE. The sound
        is of a thousand violins; the
        word is Aluk. HIGHEST STATE
        SOUL GENERALLY REACHES;
        the first realm created that
        IS AVAILABLE TO BEINGS, SOULS,
        and ENTITIES for DWELLING."
        [page. 91]

        Thus, "Souls," "Beings," and
        "Entities" "Generally Reach
        and Dwell" on this 8th Plane
        via the 8th Initiation.

        BTW- Who are these "Beings"
        and "Entities" that the 8th
        Plane is "Available To?"

        Notice that HK states that
        Soul "Generally Reaches" the
        "8th Plane." Does that include
        all Souls, or just those paying
        that Annual ECKankar Membership
        Donation/Fee? it's unclear isn't
        it? However, HK's Eckankar Lexicon
        doesn't require an EK Membership
        I.D. to purchase it... thus, it's
        for the public too. One has to
        assume that HK is speaking "in
        general" terms and that this includes
        all Souls, Beings, and Entities
        whoever or whatever they are!

        Yes, who are these "Beings" and
        "Entities" that Klemp is including?

        However, since ECKists are special
        since they have a "Mahanta" why is
        it that they aren't growing by leaps
        and bounds with "Higher" Initiations?
        Is this a paradox or a Catch-22 or
        what? IMO it's another Catch-22
        "Test!"

        Really! Let's think about it.
        Why hasn't Klemp handed
        out more 8th Initiations? By
        my guesstimate there should
        be at least 3,000 8th Initiates
        by now!

        I know that this figure sounds
        inflated and even impossible!
        Most Eckists would be shocked
        to see such a high number and
        would immediately discount and
        deny that such a high number
        would be possible. Maybe some
        H.I.s would give a nervous laugh
        or just say Haw! But, think about
        it for awhile. Let it sink in and
        consider the possibility. Hasn't
        the Consciousness of ECKists,
        and Eckankar as a group, expanded
        or "evolved" to the point where
        there should be 3,000 8th Plane
        Initiates?

        Reread the above definition for
        HUKIKAT LOK that is, also, in
        Twitchell's (1973) Eckankar
        Dictionary. Except, in Twitchell's
        Eckankar Dictionary PT stated
        this:

        "HUKIKAT LOK. The plane of
        God-Realization where Soul
        learns God-knowledge, the
        eighth plane." [pg. 62]

        Thus Klemp added the following
        to PT's HUKIKAT LOK definition
        in his 1998 EK Lexicon:

        "The sound is of a thousand
        violins; the word is Aluk.
        HIGHEST STATE SOUL GENERALLY
        REACHES; the first realm created
        that IS AVAILABLE TO BEINGS,
        SOULS, and ENTITIES for DWELLING."

        Anyway, isn't one of the big
        promises of Eckankar that of
        reaching Spiritual Freedom and
        Self-Mastery, in This Lifetime,
        via the ECK Initiations that are
        seen as "yardsticks" to Higher
        Consciousness? Sure it is!

        So, where are all of those 8th
        Initiations? Klemp is just selfish
        and time is running out for him
        and others. He, or someone, needs
        to make restitution and keep those
        promises, at least, with the 8th
        Initiation which equates to God-
        Realization! Even if Klemp can't
        protect the health and well being
        of his, DG's and PT's initiates
        he could at least promote and
        give ECKists the 8th Initiation.

        If it's too much for Klemp (the
        LEM/Mahanta) to handle alone
        he can designate some of the
        responsibility to Rebazar and
        the other EK Masters. Therefore,
        there really shouldn't be any more
        delays or excuses. Promote them
        now!

        Prometheus
        p.s. It's really too bad that there
        can't be an honest and open discussion
        about this. ECKists are instructed
        to "surrender" and "serve" with
        detachment and are to keep "silent"
        and not to "second guess" the LEM/
        Mahanta. But, isn't this how religions
        have always maintained control
        over their followers? What does
        Klemp have to fear? It's the "Truth"
        that he fears and this is why HK
        relies upon the RESA police hierarchy,
        with their positions of authority,
        to surpress their fellow 7th Initiates.

        ******
        Some European Countries
        Protect Their Citizens From
        the Cults of ECKankar and
        Scientology.

        I saw where the French office
        of the Church of Scientology
        sect got into trouble for fraud.

        Is it possible that Eckankar
        could be next? Apparently
        Eckankar and Scientology
        are listed as "sects/cults"
        in many European countries
        (France, Belgium, Germany,
        etc.). These sects, like Scientology
        and Eckankar, don't have the
        legal status of main stream
        religions, nor do they have
        the same benefits under their
        laws.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/27/church-of-scientology-con_n_335063.html


        The question is:

        What could be regarded as fraud?

        Would the Annual EK Membership
        Donation/Fee that promises
        enlightenment (God-Realization),
        via the 8th initiation for most
        Eckists in this lifetime, as well
        as, the "Protections" of the Master
        for all chelas (that never happens)
        be considered as Fraud? Klemp
        slowed these initiations down
        due to Darwin's involvement,
        but that's been a long time ago!

        Look at all of the ECKists
        who have died of or have
        contracted Cancer and other
        diseases! Yet, Klemp (the
        Master) promises them
        "Protection!"

        And, look at HK's "promises"
        to chelas and H.I.s involving
        God-Realization in this lifetime
        and yet he doesn't offer enough
        Higher Initiations to fullfil his
        promises! And, maintaining
        one's initiations is directly tied
        into the Annual EK Membership
        Donation Fee.

        Thus, the taking of money by
        Klemp, and Eckankar, for EK
        Discourses and EK Memberships
        and the making of False Promises
        to chelas for this present lifetime
        constitutes Fraud even though
        this isn't illegal in the U.S. for
        religions to make false promises.
        However, it is unethical and
        amoral at the very least! It does
        give "hope" to the disillusioned,
        disenfranchised, fearful, and needy,
        but isn't Eckankar supposed to
        be the best and highest path to
        help these Souls on earth, as well
        as, in heaven? Why then aren't the
        "promises" of the Master a reality
        in the physical instead of always
        being a KAL test or Karma?

        However, under most European
        Laws would this failure to deliver
        be considered to be fraudulent
        enough to be classified as a crime
        against the public? It seems so!

        It could be that under the laws
        of certain European countries that
        Eckankar (a religious Sect) could
        be found Guilty of Fraud IF an Eckist,
        or former Eckist, decided to be
        refunded the sums of their Annual
        EK Membership Donation Fees,
        and Eckankar denied the refunds.

        Maybe some former or current
        German, French, and Belgium
        Eckists will consider asking Eckankar
        for a refund for the sum of their
        EK Memberships over the years!


        Will Eckankar follow Scientology?

        ******

        Here's an excerpt of the definition
        of Fraud from Black's Law Dictionary
        (1991):

        "FRAUD. An intentional perversion
        of truth for the purpose of inducing
        another in reliance upon it to part
        with some valuable thing belonging
        to him or to surrender a legal right...

        [A Required/Requested Annual
        Membership Donation $$$$$$]

        Elements of a cause of action for
        'fraud' include false representation
        of a present or past fact made by
        the defendant, action in reliance
        thereupon by plaintiff, and damage
        resulting to plaintiff from such
        misrepresentation... As distinguished
        from negligence, it is always
        positive, intentional. It comprises
        all acts, omissions, and concealments
        involving a breach of a legal or
        equitable duty and resulting in
        damage to another. And includes
        anything calculated to deceive,
        whether it be a single act or
        combination of circumstances...
        Fraud, as applied to contracts,
        is the cause of an error bearing
        on a material part of the contract,
        created or contained by artifice,
        with design to obtain some unjust
        advantage to one party, or to cause
        an inconvenience or loss to the other."


        Thus, Eckankar has conducted a
        fraud of misrepresentation since
        it doesn't deliver on the Higher
        Initiations ["omissions"] required
        to attain God-Realization! [Refer
        to the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Book
        2, Chapter 12.]

        Klemp, as the LEM/M, has an implied
        "contract" with his followers, but
        he only makes empty promises
        and does not fulfill his obligations,
        and yet he's ready and willing to take
        Eckists' hard earned money!

        And, let's look at Eckankar's
        "concealment" regarding Twitchell's
        plagiarisms, and that Klemp continues
        to cover-up these facts.

        Thus, Eckankar, and all religions,
        sects, and cults (unless proven to be
        guilty of higher crimes) basically have
        carte blanche,' in the U.S., and can
        make false promises for money.

        What a scam! Eckists have been paying
        for their initiations for years but have
        been locked-out of those required for
        God-Realization!

        It's no wonder that Twit followed L. Ron's
        lead. However, in Belgium, France and
        Germany these cults and sects don't
        have the same protection as "religions"
        do. This is what the U.S. should have
        done 50 years ago!

        Prometheus
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