Re: Twitchell, Premananda, & Kirpal Singh
- Hello Etznab and All,
One also has to take into account
that Paul stretched the truth often.
He needed to feel important and
have others view him with respect.
Have you ever known a liar or a
narcissist? I have and it's easy for
them to embellish the truth.
I was talking to a guy recently
about a professional athlete that
we both liked. I use to live near
him and would go to see him
play often. I could have easily
exaggerated and said that I had
met him or this and that, but
I didn't have the need to make
this person envy me or to make
myself feel important by becoming
a liar. For some people it can
become a fine line... truth or
And, the best lies always have
some basis of truth while
becoming an indistinguishable
blend of both. This is what
Twitchell did (a blend) so that
his lies would be harder to
disprove completely and would/
could produce some doubt and
confusion involving facts and
the whole truth of the situation
etc. Besides, religion is mostly
a subjective experience that can
neither be proven nor disproven.
Can the existence of God be
proven or disproven? No! Not
Anyway, that's, also, why mixing in
some myth helps too. Myth gives
a sense of history and a long complex
timeline. Thus, we have the "Polarians"
and the EK Garden of Eden with Adom
I think that Paul rationalized and
saw lying as making sport or joking
when he told/wrote stories by twisting
facts, and exaggerating the truth.
Thus, it was all in good hearted
fun and who did he hurt... nobody/
everybody? Except, early on he made
fools of those who believed him
by retelling his stories to others
who knew better and had more
Later, after inventing Eckankar
PT fooled more and more people.
Again, who did he hurt? He hurt
those who trusted him and believed
that what he said was true, and he
took their money just like Klemp
does! And, more importantly, PT
& HK cause real harm by delaying
Soul on Its Journey to Truth.
Or, on the other hand, Eckankar
can be seen as a means of separating
the wheat from the chaff. One could
see Eckankar as a "test" for Soul
just as other religions are a test.
When one wakes up to the Truth
and sees that all religions are lies
Soul can then start to become Free!
Thus, the lies of religion are needed
as a KAL "test/trap" of purification
for Soul. Being able to see Truth
and beyond religious beliefs is a
"test" while religions are, themselves,
traps. Mentally and emotionally
weak people tend to need religion
and the weaker they are the stronger
is their religious belief. Also, those
Eckists who see themselves as "spiritually
evolved" aren't as long as they cling
to religious dogma like Eckankar's.
They are forever tied to lower plane
teachings that require an active
imagination and delusion to make
I think I can see your point now
about the "moot" part.
Those were good questions, too.
From what I could tell.
Compiling words from books and
claiming they came from Masters
and people by other names is the
part I often wondered about. Was
that common back in the 60s? In
the guru movement? I don't know.
However, maintaining the words
are unique to Eckankar & others
are all somehow offshoots of it?
I think that is quite a stretch - in
My guess is that fiction was inter-
woven into the fabric of so many
teachings and that this - probably
more than anything else - is what
makes for the uniqueness.
The combination of fiction and fact
is not so much the problem, IMO.
The problem is with not being able
to tell the difference! Some times
fiction is taken to be fact and fact
taken to be fiction, something that
can create a real mess.
I think it incumbent on people who
follow & preach religion to know the
difference between fiction and fact.
This includes myself, and is why I
have sought to clarify and be able
to tell the difference. Not everybody
I communicate with agree on which
is which. That leaves a lot of room
for personal investigation & research.
When I say it's all "moot" I meant
this about the back-and-forth
discussion about PT's plagiarism
and lies. It's a proven fact that
Twitchell was a liar and a plagiarist
who created his own Mastership,
masters, and religion regardless
of the spin that Klemp and Marman
or their groupies/goonies put on
it. They can twist things around
and attempt to confuse the issues
as much as possible but they can't
deny the Radhasoami/Ruhani Satsang
dogma that Twitchell made his own
Klemp's damage control claim was/is
that Twit took the best and/or highest
truth from all religions in order to
create Eckankar. Thus, HK describes
Twitchell as being a "complier." On
the surface the plagiarisms are made
to seem that Twit did us all a big favor
and saved us years of research time.
Apparently, Paul, an unethical sci-fi
writer, was the best person to "compile"
this religious "truth" for us. However,
how is it that Eckankar is so "ancient"
when it needed "compiled" by PT?
And, why didn't Rebazar "compile"
these truth teachings for Eckankar
in 500 years? What was he doing
all this time... drinking yak milk?
However, even if Eckankar was
true (which it isn't) this would
still mean that, at the most,
ECKankar is a hodge-podge
of 4th Mental Plane Religious
beliefs. According to Klemp's
own definition in his Autobiography
(pg.385) all religions are of either
the 2nd or 4th Plane. Thus, the
"compiled" teachings of Eckankar
are 4th Mental Plane at best, and
come under the same influence
of the KAL (i.e. Satan or the Devil)!
Therefore, how can the EK teachings
that Twit "compiled" really be the
highest... just because he says so!
Why is that?
Thus, Paul had to make himself
more than he was in order to be
believed and followed. This is why
he created the invisible and
imaginary Rebazar. Now everyone
had the opportunity to see him
in their dreams and this gave Paul's
teachings more believability.
Except, no one could have dreams
with Rebazar that out-did PT's.
Thus, Twitchell gave himself the
highest initiation possible via RT.
And, this made PT the only "designated
person" who could perform more
cherished initiations. This is why
Klemp Does Not allow any chela
to dream of holding the Rod of
ECK Power. All of these "Rod" dreams
are forbidden to have, or to speak
of, unless, a chela wants to be
Also, PT's "compiling" process was
both limited and bias. Twit used
libraries and borrowed a limited
selection of books with the opinions
and edited translations of others.
Twitchell was, also, influenced by
Sant Mat since he was an off-and-
on disciple of Kirpal Singh for ten
years. This is why PT told his followers
to choose one path or the other
and that one can't have one foot
in one canoe and the other foot
in another canoe.
And, let's take a second look at
the uniqueness and importance
of having a "living" Master (for a
chela's lifetime) and how Eckankar's
"living (eck) Master" differs from
Twitchell's Ruhani Satsang Master
Kirpal Singh. There really is no
measurable difference or that of
having a living Pope! All of these
religious teachings are limited to
the lower planes, and the Mental/
Etheric Plane's imagination. Besides,
why doesn't Eckankar take their
"Soul equals Soul" concept seriously?
Why is one so much "higher" and
so much more important that they
can judge the consciousness of