Re: 10/2009 Q&A Youth in ECK - Letter of Light
- Hello Reb and All,
I have to agree that things
at the ESC won't change until
Klemp leaves as LEM. However,
I don't see him leaving the
Mahanta position. And, I think
Klemp will give Joan a 12th
and make her an ECK Master
before retiring and appointing
a male LEM to take his place
at Seminars. HK'll need someone
at the ESC to spy for him as
she does now, but being a
12th will give Joan special
Kata Daki like status and
appease the female Eckists
who do most of the work.
And, yes, Eckists are fearful
and foolish and, also, ego driven.
Half of the Eckists don't even
understand the Eck teachings
and the RESA Guidelines and
want to keep their heads in the
sand and be spoon fed. I'm thinking
that they don't read much or
take/teach classes and trainings
and pay attention to details.
Most H.I.s have no idea about
what the "Guidelines" contain
or of the procedures to be followed.
It's always a measure of a religion
by the number of thugs it has
as members and self-appointed
protectors. This is especially true
of those religions like Eckankar
that claim to be "spiritual paths"
of the highest order. Eckankar
certainly has its share of these
delusional morons it seems, but
it says volumes when they think
that they need to defend their
faith. They are weak and their
religion is false and that is why
they become upset when someone
speaks out about it. They aren't
use to hearing the Truth and it
hurts coming from former H.I.
insiders. Eckankar is a religion
of secrets and of silence and
of surrender. Unless an Eckist
can mindlessly quote an EK
brochure there is really nothing
else to say when you're around
other Eckists at Seminars meetings.
It's just a numbing dumbed
down experience where smiley
faces are a must have as people
search for feel good Mahanta
stories to top the next one.
What a waste of good money!
Yet, year after year they never
learn, but always want to and
need to return.
Hi Prometheus and Anyone Else!
I retained membership for two
years just to get the mailings
to see if anything would change.
Of course, that will never happen.
Too much money involved.
I am going to cut to the chase.
To expose children to this nonsense
is horrible. And that is what Harold's
"Eckankar" strives to do.
Also, the five passions of the mind
come from what Milarepa called
the five poisons of the mind.
ECKists don't know any better because
they are afraid to know any better.
They are ruled by fear.
Whatever happened to love?
The love of God?
10/2009 Questions for the Master
Youth in ECK - Letter of Light
BTW- My bracketed [ ] comments
and caps have been added.
"How do you know what SUGMAD
(God) looks like?" Vanessa Age 8
HK: "Someone once thanked me
for all the spiritual gifts that had
come to him. I said, `You're welcome!"
BUT I went on.
`I say you're welcome because
you know where they really come
from....' And then I broke off. Instead,
I waved my arms in a big circle, to
say the gifts really come from the
ECK, the Voice of God, the inner
part of the Mahanta, the Living ECK
[Isn't the LEM the outer part?
So, Klemp is the ECK too!]
"Of course you know that the ECK
[me] is simply the Voice of God,
not the SUGMAD ITSELF. The
ECK reveals Itself through the
Light and Sound.
Nothing at all can describe the
The Shariyat-Ki- Sugmad says
IT `is what there is.... It is neither
old nor new, great or small, shaped
That said, the SUGMAD also has
two parts, an inside and an outside."
[Only two parts? Not three or infinity?]
"Nothing can speak of the inside
part. BUT the outer part is what
one can know and remember after
So that is what I know about
SUGMAD. Thank you for this
question." [end of 1]
"How can I learn to control
my anger and manage my short
temper?" Premo age 20
HK: "It may surprise you to learn
that most Souls go through the
extremes of the five passions
of the mind during their many
incarnations here. Anger is no
What makes people finally moderate
the extremes? In a word, pain!
The further one is from a more
balanced state of consciousness,
the longer and harder the rebalancing
becomes. It is our choice of whether
to come easy or hard. BUT come
we must to a middle ground."
[How about HK's anger toward
Darwin? Maybe that's why HK
has had EMR/EMF problems!]
"So what is anger all about?
It is about our wanting to run
things our way, not the ECK's
way. In consequence, we fly
off the handle when our plans
get bumped, or IF someone
does or says something we
consider stupid. It is our stupidity
that causes others so much pain.
And for that we will pay."
[What about HK "flying off
the handle" with that Third
Fill-in Postal Clerk mentioned
in the 09/2003 H.I. Letter?]
"Keep the above in mind during
your spiritual exercises. Ask
the Mahanta to help you soften
your sharp edges and become
a better person to be around."
[end of 2]
[Talk is cheap for Klemp!
He's positioned himself beyond
reproach and is, thus, Not held
to any of the standards he creates
"I'm at a crossroads and so
uncertain of where my life is
going that I'm not sure what
I should do (regarding college,
study abroad, moving to a warmer
I'm taking my time, doing my
spiritual exercises every day,
and listening to you for guidance,
but the the deadlines all around
me are making it difficult for me
to remember to follow the Master's
guidance and distinguish between
spiritual guidance and what my
mind, family, or friends tell me
is the best thing to do.
How can I know what is for my
highest good?" ---JM
[JM will be "listening" forever and
filling in the blanks with his imagination
if he continues to throw common
sense and critical thinking out the
window! However, most ECKists,
who don't get snail-mail replies
from HK, do that exact same thing!]
HK: "Do whatever you FEEL
is best. No matter whether you
follow another's advice or your
own, nothing ever seems to go
according to plan anyway."
[Then, there's no point in wasting
time doing the spiritual exercises,
keeping a dream diary, or paying
an annual membership etc., etc.]
"So IF you ignore others' advice,
expect some I-told-you-so' s. You
are responsible for your own life."
[What about having every Thought,
Word, Action, and Reaction in the
name of the Mahanta? What's the
point if "You" are responsible and
will pay karmically?]
"Do whatever offers you the most
experience of the kind YOU want.
Whatever your choices, how could
they be anything BUT for your highest
good? My love is always with you?"
[end of 3]
ME: Thus, Klemp is telling JM to do
WHATEVER and make any choices
he wants! Klemp instructing that any
desired choice is for his "highest good"
is simply restating the Law of Karma.
Bad choices sometimes lead to disease,
and death to yourself and others!
Yet, Klemp is saying that it's all for
the "highest" good because these
lead to life experiences. .. although
everyone knows that these are both
positive and negative. Still, it's a learning
experience, but isn't this simply Karma
and what each and every Soul goes
Why does one need an annual Eckankar
membership? Oh, it's to receive these
snail-mail answers that anyone else
could have answered. Klemp has placed
himself upon a pedestal and, therefore,
ECKists look to him versus Soul for
answers.. Except, here, people can see
that No middleman Mahanta is needed
in order to make their own choices and
to live life!
However, look at the Catch-22 of it all!
Klemp is saying, in his three responses,
that as the Mahanta he is the 'Voice of God'
and the 'ECK.' And, there is more on the
'inner' than chelas can imagine, but he
knows what is best for them, although,
they are responsible for their own choices,
but it's all good because these choices
will give them the 'experiences' that
they need. Can't ECKists see through
the double talk and the scam? Apparently
Not! They need to believe and to belong
to a religion of like-minded followers.
Misery (and delusion) loves company!
And--How can so many intelligent
and "enlightened" people be wrong?
This is the KAL trap of religion!