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  • etznab@aol.com
    Prometheus, Thanks a whole lot for sharing all that! Etznab ... From: prometheus_973 To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
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      Prometheus,

      Thanks a whole lot for sharing all that!

      Etznab

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      From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
      To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wed, Oct 7, 2009 1:59 pm
      Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] PT's: The Way of Eckankar Series,
      Aug. 1966 - More Info!

       






      Hello All,

      These 6 Lectures were given

      at a Three Day Las Vegas

      seminar/event around late

      July or early Aug. 1966.



      Paul stated in Lecture 2,

      "I had explained some of this

      in my August letter [ECKANKAR:

      Illuminated Way Letters, August

      1966, pg. 17] which will be out

      in a few days..."



      Paul states, near the end of

      his last lecture, "With that I'm

      going to close this series on

      The Way of ECKANKAR, which

      has been given here in Las Vegas

      for the last three days."



      BTW-The First World Wide

      Seminar was held at the

      Tropicana Hotel, Las Vegas,

      in Oct. 1967.



      Etznab- No, Paul never mentions

      any of the EK Masters in these

      lectures or even in the 1968

      "Rudiments of the ECK Satsang."



      Apparently The Kandjur was

      an early book Paul highly prized,

      but this was later put in Eckankar:

      Compiled Writings Volume 1.

      Paul stated that he gave a talk

      to a small group in Honolulu in

      Feb. 1961 and shared this
      with

      them and it's in The Kandjur.



      "... the actual work of ECK is that

      in which we say that it is a responsibility

      for ECK, of Itself, to give liberation

      of Soul to every nation and to every

      individual in this world. IT is the

      only legitimate spiritual force today.

      IT is the divine legal power authorized

      by the Divine, or the Supreme Diety."



      Lecture Six Excerpts:



      "... the Word, or what we sometimes

      call 'Nam' in the Hindustani language.

      NAM is the basis upon which the whole

      creative force of God is built.



      Now we have to add to this actually,

      Light and Sound, and Light is the basis

      of that which we come into for under-

      standing and knowledge and wisdom."



      [However, Paul now contradicts himself

      from what he said in Lecture 2:



      "...what we term the WORD, WISDOM

      and KNOWLEDGE. And this is what we're

      seeking, actually the WISDOM of GOD

      which is A Violation of the LAW of the

      SPIRIT...



      This point, which I briefly will go to

      now as to the Seeking of WISDOM,

      is that which I spoke about a few

      minutes ago, that WE SHOULD NEVER

      SEEK THE ASPECTS OF GOD, or

      the ATTRIBUTES OF GOD. And

      WISDOM is one of the ATTRIBUTES

      like Wisdom, Love, Karma, Cause and

      Effect, and the other attributes.

      We then ar
      e only seeking the Lower

      part, the Lower things of God, instead

      of seeking the fullness."]



      Thus, ECKists Should NOT seek "LOVE"

      and "WISDOM" and other "lower things"

      or "aspects" and "attributes of God."

      This is a violation of Spiritual Law!



      Lecture Six continues:



      "But the Sound is the creative force

      that builds. It comes out of what we

      call the Throne of God or the Ultimate,

      actually the center of creations, of all

      creations... on the astral plane we will

      hear a sound that is similar to the roaring

      of oceans... the mental plane [etheric]

      we will hear it as bees, and to other

      planes we will hear it as flutes [Soul plane],

      and as the sound of a conch shell [?],

      and on and on like this, until we get

      up to the highest plane, and then all

      of these sounds come together."



      Note: On the Worlds of ECK Chart, on

      page 232, in the HK's ECKankar Lexicon

      there are only Ten Planes (and their sounds)

      listed below the "Ocean of Love and Mercy."



      *PT continues Lecture Six with info on

      the use of OM, AUM, and HU. He shows

      how chanting HU can be used to "uplift"

      oneself "economically" as he has.



      "This is why that the Hindus use the

      word OM or AUM for their chanting.

      Now, in the Masons or in some of these

      esoteric groups the
      y use another word

      which generally is familiar to us, and

      that is a word AMEN. And if you use

      this word properly, it will be actually

      a sound because they have the A and

      M in it--A-MENNNNN. Now, distinguish

      that from the word OM--OOO-MMMM,

      or AUM--AAA-UUU-MMMMM. The true

      word is actually HU or H-UU-MMM,

      and as you get higher into the other

      worlds it will be cut short to HU, or

      H-UUUUUU. OR you could give it as

      HUUU. See the vibrations that goes

      with that, so simple. Lots of times the

      word OM is actually HU--OOOO-

      MMMMMM.



      ... I would go down to the seashore

      at times, and I would chant OM or

      I would chant another word, or I'd

      chant the HU, or I'd chant something

      that I knew that had a great vibratory

      liftment [higher than HU?]. I could even

      be down economically, I could be down

      in many things, and I would start chanting

      this as I walked up and down the beach,

      and all of a sudden I was lifted, just

      completely up, away from all of the

      problems that I was facing at the time.



      I've many times, I've not had anything

      in the mails for several days, checks

      or anything of that nature, and I'd go

      out and do some chanting and go home

      and find a check laying in the mail box.

      Putting the two together, you'd say, well,

      this may
      have been coincidental. It might

      have been, but the fact was, that I was

      lifting myself into a position of acceptance

      for something. I was lifting myself in the

      position where, even in the future, the

      near future, something would start working

      into my life that would be of benefit to

      me.



      Now, this doesn't only go for economics

      or your lower life plane but it also goes

      for the higher planes." [end]



      What's interesting about this is that

      Ford Johnson teaches about his Master

      Principle of Manifestation which sounds

      like what Paul was teaching. By using

      the Word or Sound, like the HU etc.,

      to improve one's economics and state-

      of-mind or physical and mental health

      prepares one for higher plane visitation

      and experiences.



      However, Klemp teaches the opposite.

      One is Not to direct the HU Chant, and

      Klemp has invoked strict rules/guidelines

      (i.e. safeguards) to prevent this from

      happening. The chela must go through

      a middleman, Klemp, and Not direct the

      HU, via the Sound (ECK), to reach the

      Divine Sugmad. This way Klemp controls

      the EK follower (forever) and squeezes

      money from them on an on-going basis.

      SWEEEET!



      Prometheus



      prometheus wrote:



      Hello Etznab and All,

      My copy of "THE WAY OF ECKANKAR

      SERIES" By Sri Paul Twitchell is
      a small

      booklet (*212 pages). I've had it forever

      it seems.



      Here's a list the titled contents:



      Lecture Number 1

      The Purpose of Eckankar (pgs. 1-30)



      Lecture Number Two

      ECKANKAR as a Path to God (pgs. 31-48)



      Lecture Number Three

      The Paradox of the Universe (pgs. 49-67)

      [AKA "The Riddle of the Universe"]



      Lecture Number Four

      Reading the Akashic Records (pgs. 69-86)



      Lecture Number Five

      Levels of Understanding (pgs. 87-105)



      Lecture Number Six

      The Keystone of God (pgs. 107-123)



      The next page has a photo of "Paulji

      greeting chelas." Gail is two feet behind

      Paul and her hair is up in a bun. I've

      seen the one older man before, standing

      in front of Paul and to his right, but can't

      recall his name.



      *Now, the page numbers take a jump!



      Rudiments of the ECK Satsang

      Part 1 (1968)

      By Sri Paul Twitchell (pgs. 197-212)



      BTW- This last article flows very well

      compared to the previous ones, thus,

      it shows Gail's editing skills. This is

      another reason why I say that Gail is

      as responsible for the lying and the

      con as much as Twitchell. Plus, Gail

      profited even more than Paul when

      she sold his copyrights to Eckankar

      for $500,000 way back then. This

      amount equates to millions
      in today's

      money!



      One more thing. PT mentions this

      Judge Troward again. This time it's

      in Lecture Number 4. I'll have to

      Google this guy to see what, if anything,

      shows up.



      Oh, one more thing! I'll have to

      post what Paul says about the HU

      (circa 1966-67) in "Lecture Number

      Six, The Keystone to God." It's really

      incredible!



      Prometheus



      etznab wrote:



      According to Twitchell Eckankar is actually

      the "Naacal Religion" from "Venus!" Do EK

      Vahanas or Klemp ever mention this little

      known fact to the public or on Eckankar.org?

      I don't think so! I wonder why not? Isn't this

      an important part of Eckankar's history

      and lineage? Why isn't it called The

      Church of Naacal? Or, Naacal, Religion

      of the L & S of God. Maybe Klemp should

      make the change to the original name!



      **************************************************



      Prometheus,



      Where does that come from? Is it in a book,

      or a discourse?



      I'm not sure if I've read that before. Was it a

      discontinued discourse?



      Will have to check and see if I have a copy.



      That was something about Naacal's & Venus.



      No. I haven't heard anybody talking about this

      lately. In fact, I don't know that I've ever heard

      it mentioned. Not Naacal's & Venus toget
      her.



      Etznab



      ******



      The following excerpts are from "Lecture

      Number Two" [08/1966] of "The Way of

      Eckankar Series" by Paul Twitchell.



      "Eckankar as a Path to God:



      ... But there are actually three major

      fields, that you can break all of this

      down in. The FIRST one is the intellectual

      field or the PATH of the INTELLECT,

      which is concerned with the mind.



      This is all of the lower areas of, I'd

      say the field of the mind... this was

      actually opened up in modern times

      by Judge Troward in about 1890, in

      what he called New Thought... the

      field of New Thought grew a number

      of other groups like the Christian

      Science Church, Church of Religious

      Sciences and many other groups...

      It is a field in formal education that

      we are working in--to sharpen the

      senses, the physical senses, to get

      all of the understanding through the

      physical senses... Now mind you this

      is all right when we are living in this

      physical world, but it comes back to

      the point that this is completely and

      opposite of the spiritual law and the

      spiritual action, the modus operandi

      of Spirit.



      {more of my caps follow}



      We come then into a SECOND FIELD,

      in which we call the COSMIC CONSCIENCE

      PATH... It can start here in the physical


      world and it can work up to the SOUL

      PLANE. The COSMIC CONSCIENCE

      is a word for GOD-ENLIGHTENMENT,

      or GOD-KNOWLEDGE, or GOD-

      REALIZATION, which is false terminology

      for it, BUT we find this is a field that,

      in which the Vedantas, the Hindu religions,

      many of the eastern religions will fall

      under because they are actually working

      for this COSMIC CONSCIENCE and in

      other words, they are illuminating the

      inner senses so that they will have what

      we term the WORD, WISDOM and

      KNOWLEDGE. And this is what we're

      seeking, actually the WISDOM of GOD

      which is a violation of the LAW of the

      SPIRIT.



      I had explained some of this in my

      August letter [ECKANKAR: Illuminated

      Way Letters, August 1966, pg.17] which

      will be out in a few days BUT very briefly,

      this seems to be the thing. It becomes

      a fad and a vogue for many people to

      study the complexities of the eastern

      religions, to learn how to find their way

      to God through the illuminated or the

      cosmic conscience state. Now this of

      itself is, to me, a wrong path although

      it is another path.



      The THIRD PATH is a path of BILOCATION,

      or that which we know as SOUL TRAVEL.

      ... This is an Ancient Path, which came

      out of the misty past. There was Many,

      Many Centuries ago, ABOUT THE BEGINNING

      OF THE TIME OF
      EARTH, A RELIGION

      THAT WAS FORMED THAT CAME OFF

      THE PLANET, VENUS, AND WENT DOWN

      THROUGH THE SPIRITUAL CITY OF

      AGAM DES, AND THEY CALLED IT AT

      THAT TIME, THE NAACAL RELIGION.

      Anyway, it was a religion that was formed

      out of the SOUL FLIGHT, which has become

      now as ECKANKAR today. The records

      of this are kept in the TWO or THREE,

      I believe it's TWO, very remote monasteries

      in TIBET, in which they have not been invaded

      by the Chinese yet.



      BUT no one will be able to get to these,

      because it is well guarded and the monks

      there and the abbots keep a very strict

      watch over them, and they have some

      of the records in the city, the spiritual

      city of Agam Des, which is up in the

      wildest part of the Himalayan Mountains

      in what is called the Hindu Kush range.

      I say some of those peaks there run up

      into fifteen, twenty-five thousand feet

      high. And even when planes come down

      through those mountains out of those

      Eastern countries like PERSIA and

      Russia, they have to fly between the

      mountains. They never fly over them

      because they go so high that the question

      of oxygen--they can't get oxygen or

      the planes pressurized at that height.



      Well, anyway, what I'm trying to say

      here--that these are three paths, the

      overall paths that we follow to that of

      r
      eaching the Ultimate... the Mental

      Path... the Cosmic Conscience Path...

      the Soul Path...



      We of ourselves cannot change anyone's

      consciousness. IF we do change anyone's

      consciousness, then we take the burden

      of that upon ourselves. In a sense, this is

      a type of karma. We are putting ourselves

      in a position of saying that we are actually

      taking responsibility for making the change

      within this individual...



      Now, this is why that many of those who

      are called High Masters may die of an

      early age, or die of an affliction, or an

      incurable disease, is because he, of

      himself, has picked this up from someone

      else, and he Does Not in some form

      throw it off for some reason that it is

      unknown to us, perhaps that he gets

      stuck with this, and he Cannot get it out

      of his consciousness, or he Does Not

      allow it to go into the stream of the

      HOLY SPIRIT and be dissolved by

      itself. The longer that it stays within

      us, is the harder that it becomes...



      This point, which I briefly will go to

      now as to the Seeking of WISDOM,

      is that which I spoke about a few

      minutes ago, that WE SHOULD NEVER

      SEEK THE ASPECTS OF GOD, or

      the ATTRIBUTES OF GOD. And

      WISDOM is one of the ATTRIBUTES

      like Wisdom, Love, Karma, Cause and

      Effect, and the other attributes.

      =0
      D

      We then are only seeking the Lower

      part, the Lower things of God, instead

      of seeking the fullness. We must seek

      the one thing, and the one thing is the

      Ultimate Reality. And when we do this,

      then we ourselves must enter in as I

      said in the last lecture, assume the role

      of that who is in this state of consciousness."

      [end]



      Isn't it interesting that Twitchell [in Aug. 1966]

      has referred to Cosmic Conscience as being

      the same as God-Realization! Plus, PT mentioned

      the Holy Spirit at different times in this lecture

      and never mentions the ECK. Also, PT mentions

      the "Ultimate Reality" but not Sugmad! And,

      there's no mention of the Mahanta either!

      What's this about Not seeking Wisdom, Love,

      Karma, and Cause and Effect. BTW- Didn't

      PT know that Cause and Effect is Karma!



      Plus, Twit mentions "High Masters" who die

      at an early age because they are unable to

      let go of Karma and send it to the Holy Spirit

      to be dissolved! Is this why Twitchell died at

      an early age? Reading this was quite fun

      because I could tell when Twit was making

      it all up (lying) as he went along during his

      twisting of facts. Actually, one just needs to

      see when he's moving his lips to know when

      he's lying!



      According to Twitchell Eckankar is actually

      the "Naacal Religion" from "Venus!" Do E
      K

      Vahanas or Klemp ever mention this little

      known fact to the public or on Eckankar.org?

      I don't think so! I wonder why not? Isn't this

      an important part of Eckankar's history

      and lineage? Why isn't it called The

      Church of Naacal? Or, Naacal, Religion

      of the L & S of God. Maybe Klemp should

      make the change to the original name!



      Prometheus
    • etznab18
      Checking messages 4977, 4980 and 4983 I couldn t tell what the copyright for that book. What year did that come out? I mean, the book transcript? Etznab
      Message 2 of 8 , Jul 30, 2010
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        Checking messages 4977, 4980
        and 4983 I couldn't tell what
        the copyright for that book.

        What year did that come out?
        I mean, the book transcript?

        Etznab



        --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
        >
        > The following excerpts are from "Lecture
        > Number Two" [08/1966] of "The Way of
        > Eckankar Series" by Paul Twitchell.
        >
        > "Eckankar as a Path to God:
        >
        > ... But there are actually three major
        > fields, that you can break all of this
        > down in. The FIRST one is the intellectual
        > field or the PATH of the INTELLECT,
        > which is concerned with the mind.
        >
        > This is all of the lower areas of, I'd
        > say the field of the mind... this was
        > actually opened up in modern times
        > by Judge Troward in about 1890, in
        > what he called New Thought... the
        > field of New Thought grew a number
        > of other groups like the Christian
        > Science Church, Church of Religious
        > Sciences and many other groups...
        > It is a field in formal education that
        > we are working in--to sharpen the
        > senses, the physical senses, to get
        > all of the understanding through the
        > physical senses... Now mind you this
        > is all right when we are living in this
        > physical world, but it comes back to
        > the point that this is completely and
        > opposite of the spiritual law and the
        > spiritual action, the modus operandi
        > of Spirit.
        >
        > {more of my caps follow}
        >
        > We come then into a SECOND FIELD,
        > in which we call the COSMIC CONSCIENCE
        > PATH... It can start here in the physical
        > world and it can work up to the SOUL
        > PLANE. The COSMIC CONSCIENCE
        > is a word for GOD-ENLIGHTENMENT,
        > or GOD-KNOWLEDGE, or GOD-
        > REALIZATION, which is false terminology
        > for it, BUT we find this is a field that,
        > in which the Vedantas, the Hindu religions,
        > many of the eastern religions will fall
        > under because they are actually working
        > for this COSMIC CONSCIENCE and in
        > other words, they are illuminating the
        > inner senses so that they will have what
        > we term the WORD, WISDOM and
        > KNOWLEDGE. And this is what we're
        > seeking, actually the WISDOM of GOD
        > which is a violation of the LAW of the
        > SPIRIT.
        >
        > I had explained some of this in my
        > August letter [ECKANKAR: Illuminated
        > Way Letters, August 1966, pg.17] which
        > will be out in a few days BUT very briefly,
        > this seems to be the thing. It becomes
        > a fad and a vogue for many people to
        > study the complexities of the eastern
        > religions, to learn how to find their way
        > to God through the illuminated or the
        > cosmic conscience state. Now this of
        > itself is, to me, a wrong path although
        > it is another path.
        >
        > The THIRD PATH is a path of BILOCATION,
        > or that which we know as SOUL TRAVEL.
        > ... This is an Ancient Path, which came
        > out of the misty past. There was Many,
        > Many Centuries ago, ABOUT THE BEGINNING
        > OF THE TIME OF EARTH, A RELIGION
        > THAT WAS FORMED THAT CAME OFF
        > THE PLANET, VENUS, AND WENT DOWN
        > THROUGH THE SPIRITUAL CITY OF
        > AGAM DES, AND THEY CALLED IT AT
        > THAT TIME, THE NAACAL RELIGION.
        > Anyway, it was a religion that was formed
        > out of the SOUL FLIGHT, which has become
        > now as ECKANKAR today. The records
        > of this are kept in the TWO or THREE,
        > I believe it's TWO, very remote monasteries
        > in TIBET, in which they have not been invaded
        > by the Chinese yet.
        >
        > BUT no one will be able to get to these,
        > because it is well guarded and the monks
        > there and the abbots keep a very strict
        > watch over them, and they have some
        > of the records in the city, the spiritual
        > city of Agam Des, which is up in the
        > wildest part of the Himalayan Mountains
        > in what is called the Hindu Kush range.
        > I say some of those peaks there run up
        > into fifteen, twenty-five thousand feet
        > high. And even when planes come down
        > through those mountains out of those
        > Eastern countries like PERSIA and
        > Russia, they have to fly between the
        > mountains. They never fly over them
        > because they go so high that the question
        > of oxygen--they can't get oxygen or
        > the planes pressurized at that height.
        >
        > Well, anyway, what I'm trying to say
        > here--that these are three paths, the
        > overall paths that we follow to that of
        > reaching the Ultimate... the Mental
        > Path... the Cosmic Conscience Path...
        > the Soul Path...
        >
        > We of ourselves cannot change anyone's
        > consciousness. IF we do change anyone's
        > consciousness, then we take the burden
        > of that upon ourselves. In a sense, this is
        > a type of karma. We are putting ourselves
        > in a position of saying that we are actually
        > taking responsibility for making the change
        > within this individual...
        >
        > Now, this is why that many of those who
        > are called High Masters may die of an
        > early age, or die of an affliction, or an
        > incurable disease, is because he, of
        > himself, has picked this up from someone
        > else, and he Does Not in some form
        > throw it off for some reason that it is
        > unknown to us, perhaps that he gets
        > stuck with this, and he Cannot get it out
        > of his consciousness, or he Does Not
        > allow it to go into the stream of the
        > HOLY SPIRIT and be dissolved by
        > itself. The longer that it stays within
        > us, is the harder that it becomes...
        >
        > This point, which I briefly will go to
        > now as to the Seeking of WISDOM,
        > is that which I spoke about a few
        > minutes ago, that WE SHOULD NEVER
        > SEEK THE ASPECTS OF GOD, or
        > the ATTRIBUTES OF GOD. And
        > WISDOM is one of the ATTRIBUTES
        > like Wisdom, Love, Karma, Cause and
        > Effect, and the other attributes.
        >
        > We then are only seeking the Lower
        > part, the Lower things of God, instead
        > of seeking the fullness. We must seek
        > the one thing, and the one thing is the
        > Ultimate Reality. And when we do this,
        > then we ourselves must enter in as I
        > said in the last lecture, assume the role
        > of that who is in this state of consciousness."
        > [end]
        >
        >
        >
        > Isn't it interesting that Twitchell [in Aug. 1966]
        > has referred to Cosmic Conscience as being
        > the same as God-Realization! Plus, PT mentioned
        > the Holy Spirit at different times in this lecture
        > and never mentions the ECK. Also, PT mentions
        > the "Ultimate Reality" but not Sugmad! And,
        > there's no mention of the Mahanta either!
        > What's this about Not seeking Wisdom, Love,
        > Karma, and Cause and Effect. BTW- Didn't
        > PT know that Cause and Effect is Karma!
        >
        > Plus, Twit mentions "High Masters" who die
        > at an early age because they are unable to
        > let go of Karma and send it to the Holy Spirit
        > to be dissolved! Is this why Twitchell died at
        > an early age? Reading this was quite fun
        > because I could tell when Twit was making
        > it all up (lying) as he went along during his
        > twisting of facts. Actually, one just needs to
        > see when he's moving his lips to know when
        > he's lying!
        >
        > According to Twitchell Eckankar is actually
        > the "Naacal Religion" from "Venus!" Do EK
        > Vahanas or Klemp ever mention this little
        > known fact to the public or on Eckankar.org?
        > I don't think so! I wonder why not? Isn't this
        > an important part of Eckankar's history
        > and lineage? Why isn't it called The
        > Church of Naacal? Or, Naacal, Religion
        > of the L & S of God. Maybe Klemp should
        > make the change to the original name!
        >
        > Prometheus
        >
      • prometheus_973
        Hello Etznab and All, I really don t know when this book was put together, or if it was done so by Paul or by Darwin. However, since these lectures were from
        Message 3 of 8 , Aug 11, 2010
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          Hello Etznab and All,
          I really don't know when this book
          was put together, or if it was done
          so by Paul or by Darwin.

          However, since these lectures were
          from 1966 it's only logical to set
          this date as a reference point in
          determining when this could have
          been put in book form.

          After all, this very small book could
          have been retyped and formatted
          from PT's notes not long after the
          lectures were given. Possibly, these
          small books could have been sold
          at PT's lectures as a promotion of
          his newly created Eckankar.

          On the other hand this book could
          have been put together soon after
          Paul's death (maybe by 1973). People
          were still very loyal to Paul when
          Darwin and Gail took over and everyone,
          especially a non-writer like Darwin,
          wanted to bring out and use as much
          of Paul's old unpublished materials
          as possible. Much of this unpublished
          material has been used in the EK
          discourses.

          So, my guess is that these lectures
          were put together, in book form,
          between 1966 and 1973.

          What's interesting is that Klemp
          has access to all of PT's old materials
          (lectures, etc.), but has chosen
          not to reproduce and share it
          with the ECK Membership (only).
          Why? What's wrong?

          Prometheus



          etznab wrote:
          >
          >
          > Checking messages 4977, 4980
          > and 4983 I couldn't tell what
          > the copyright for that book.
          >
          > What year did that come out?
          > I mean, the book transcript?
          >
          > Etznab
          >
          >
          >
          > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@> wrote:
          > >
          > > The following excerpts are from "Lecture
          > > Number Two" [08/1966] of "The Way of
          > > Eckankar Series" by Paul Twitchell.
          > >
          > > "Eckankar as a Path to God:
          > >
          > > ... But there are actually three major
          > > fields, that you can break all of this
          > > down in. The FIRST one is the intellectual
          > > field or the PATH of the INTELLECT,
          > > which is concerned with the mind.
          > >
          > > This is all of the lower areas of, I'd
          > > say the field of the mind... this was
          > > actually opened up in modern times
          > > by Judge Troward in about 1890, in
          > > what he called New Thought... the
          > > field of New Thought grew a number
          > > of other groups like the Christian
          > > Science Church, Church of Religious
          > > Sciences and many other groups...
          > > It is a field in formal education that
          > > we are working in--to sharpen the
          > > senses, the physical senses, to get
          > > all of the understanding through the
          > > physical senses... Now mind you this
          > > is all right when we are living in this
          > > physical world, but it comes back to
          > > the point that this is completely and
          > > opposite of the spiritual law and the
          > > spiritual action, the modus operandi
          > > of Spirit.
          > >
          > > {more of my caps follow}
          > >
          > > We come then into a SECOND FIELD,
          > > in which we call the COSMIC CONSCIENCE
          > > PATH... It can start here in the physical
          > > world and it can work up to the SOUL
          > > PLANE. The COSMIC CONSCIENCE
          > > is a word for GOD-ENLIGHTENMENT,
          > > or GOD-KNOWLEDGE, or GOD-
          > > REALIZATION, which is false terminology
          > > for it, BUT we find this is a field that,
          > > in which the Vedantas, the Hindu religions,
          > > many of the eastern religions will fall
          > > under because they are actually working
          > > for this COSMIC CONSCIENCE and in
          > > other words, they are illuminating the
          > > inner senses so that they will have what
          > > we term the WORD, WISDOM and
          > > KNOWLEDGE. And this is what we're
          > > seeking, actually the WISDOM of GOD
          > > which is a violation of the LAW of the
          > > SPIRIT.
          > >
          > > I had explained some of this in my
          > > August letter [ECKANKAR: Illuminated
          > > Way Letters, August 1966, pg.17] which
          > > will be out in a few days BUT very briefly,
          > > this seems to be the thing. It becomes
          > > a fad and a vogue for many people to
          > > study the complexities of the eastern
          > > religions, to learn how to find their way
          > > to God through the illuminated or the
          > > cosmic conscience state. Now this of
          > > itself is, to me, a wrong path although
          > > it is another path.
          > >
          > > The THIRD PATH is a path of BILOCATION,
          > > or that which we know as SOUL TRAVEL.
          > > ... This is an Ancient Path, which came
          > > out of the misty past. There was Many,
          > > Many Centuries ago, ABOUT THE BEGINNING
          > > OF THE TIME OF EARTH, A RELIGION
          > > THAT WAS FORMED THAT CAME OFF
          > > THE PLANET, VENUS, AND WENT DOWN
          > > THROUGH THE SPIRITUAL CITY OF
          > > AGAM DES, AND THEY CALLED IT AT
          > > THAT TIME, THE NAACAL RELIGION.
          > > Anyway, it was a religion that was formed
          > > out of the SOUL FLIGHT, which has become
          > > now as ECKANKAR today. The records
          > > of this are kept in the TWO or THREE,
          > > I believe it's TWO, very remote monasteries
          > > in TIBET, in which they have not been invaded
          > > by the Chinese yet.
          > >
          > > BUT no one will be able to get to these,
          > > because it is well guarded and the monks
          > > there and the abbots keep a very strict
          > > watch over them, and they have some
          > > of the records in the city, the spiritual
          > > city of Agam Des, which is up in the
          > > wildest part of the Himalayan Mountains
          > > in what is called the Hindu Kush range.
          > > I say some of those peaks there run up
          > > into fifteen, twenty-five thousand feet
          > > high. And even when planes come down
          > > through those mountains out of those
          > > Eastern countries like PERSIA and
          > > Russia, they have to fly between the
          > > mountains. They never fly over them
          > > because they go so high that the question
          > > of oxygen--they can't get oxygen or
          > > the planes pressurized at that height.
          > >
          > > Well, anyway, what I'm trying to say
          > > here--that these are three paths, the
          > > overall paths that we follow to that of
          > > reaching the Ultimate... the Mental
          > > Path... the Cosmic Conscience Path...
          > > the Soul Path...
          > >
          > > We of ourselves cannot change anyone's
          > > consciousness. IF we do change anyone's
          > > consciousness, then we take the burden
          > > of that upon ourselves. In a sense, this is
          > > a type of karma. We are putting ourselves
          > > in a position of saying that we are actually
          > > taking responsibility for making the change
          > > within this individual...
          > >
          > > Now, this is why that many of those who
          > > are called High Masters may die of an
          > > early age, or die of an affliction, or an
          > > incurable disease, is because he, of
          > > himself, has picked this up from someone
          > > else, and he Does Not in some form
          > > throw it off for some reason that it is
          > > unknown to us, perhaps that he gets
          > > stuck with this, and he Cannot get it out
          > > of his consciousness, or he Does Not
          > > allow it to go into the stream of the
          > > HOLY SPIRIT and be dissolved by
          > > itself. The longer that it stays within
          > > us, is the harder that it becomes...
          > >
          > > This point, which I briefly will go to
          > > now as to the Seeking of WISDOM,
          > > is that which I spoke about a few
          > > minutes ago, that WE SHOULD NEVER
          > > SEEK THE ASPECTS OF GOD, or
          > > the ATTRIBUTES OF GOD. And
          > > WISDOM is one of the ATTRIBUTES
          > > like Wisdom, Love, Karma, Cause and
          > > Effect, and the other attributes.
          > >
          > > We then are only seeking the Lower
          > > part, the Lower things of God, instead
          > > of seeking the fullness. We must seek
          > > the one thing, and the one thing is the
          > > Ultimate Reality. And when we do this,
          > > then we ourselves must enter in as I
          > > said in the last lecture, assume the role
          > > of that who is in this state of consciousness."
          > > [end]
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Isn't it interesting that Twitchell [in Aug. 1966]
          > > has referred to Cosmic Conscience as being
          > > the same as God-Realization! Plus, PT mentioned
          > > the Holy Spirit at different times in this lecture
          > > and never mentions the ECK. Also, PT mentions
          > > the "Ultimate Reality" but not Sugmad! And,
          > > there's no mention of the Mahanta either!
          > > What's this about Not seeking Wisdom, Love,
          > > Karma, and Cause and Effect. BTW- Didn't
          > > PT know that Cause and Effect is Karma!
          > >
          > > Plus, Twit mentions "High Masters" who die
          > > at an early age because they are unable to
          > > let go of Karma and send it to the Holy Spirit
          > > to be dissolved! Is this why Twitchell died at
          > > an early age? Reading this was quite fun
          > > because I could tell when Twit was making
          > > it all up (lying) as he went along during his
          > > twisting of facts. Actually, one just needs to
          > > see when he's moving his lips to know when
          > > he's lying!
          > >
          > > According to Twitchell Eckankar is actually
          > > the "Naacal Religion" from "Venus!" Do EK
          > > Vahanas or Klemp ever mention this little
          > > known fact to the public or on Eckankar.org?
          > > I don't think so! I wonder why not? Isn't this
          > > an important part of Eckankar's history
          > > and lineage? Why isn't it called The
          > > Church of Naacal? Or, Naacal, Religion
          > > of the L & S of God. Maybe Klemp should
          > > make the change to the original name!
          > >
          > > Prometheus
          > >
          >
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