Re: Loser Eck Master & followers
- Hello Etznab and All,
Interesting info. The verdict isn't out for me.
I KNOW that these desperately needy Eckists
NEVER saw Rebazar "prior" to joining Eckankar.
They are mistaken, delusional, liars, and wanna-
bes. I know this because 500 year old EK Master
Rebazar isn't real! He's only as "real" as any
fictional character, anywhere, is "real." Jesus,
Buddha, Krishna, and thousands of others,
on the other hand, have an older history than
500 year old Rebazar and are/were actually
Paul probably dreamed up Rebazar's name
while in San Diego and did his standard letter
switch around. There is proof that Twitchell
switched out Kirpal Singh's name in The Flute
of God and The Tiger's Fang and substituted
the fictional Rebazar. Paul needed a Grand
EK Master to Initiate him. This is, also, why
PT had to kill off LEM Sudar Singh. There was
too close of a connection to the other Singh...
Kirpal. Really, why would 970th LEM Sudar
Singh hand Paul off to Rebazar? What is the
need for an LEM, then, if he needs to hand
people off to Rebazar? Shouldn't a LEM/Mahanta
have been able to teach and give a lower
initiate, PT, what he needed? Rebazar was
working under 970th LEM/Mahanta Sudar.
Thus, if 500 year old "Torchbearer" Rebazar
did actually exist in the minds of ECKists...
Why would they want/need Klemp when
Paul Twitchell didn't need his LEM/Mahanta?
I know that Klemp doesn't list (EK Lexicon)
some of these LEM's as Mahantas, but Twitch
states that all LEMs are Mahantas! Who should
ECKists believe? Klemp is aging rapidly and
has never written a Shariyat 3, or should they
believe Twitchell... a known liar.
Perhaps ECKists should look to Soul and the
ECK (Holy Spirit) versus another manmade religion.
"PAUL TWITCHELL PRESENTS: The Wisdom Notes
(Vol. 2 No. 8) August 1969
Therefore, each living ECK Master becomes the
Mahanta. Each of them attains this consciousness
and becomes the saviour of the age for his own
people. He is able to eliminate the suffering and
desires of the chelas by giving them the ability
to partake of the living Life Stream - the ECK.
This explains why Buddhism ceased to be a
dynamic force soon after the death of the
illustrious Buddha. The same fate has overtaken
all other religions and without exception it
must be this way. The usual life of any orthodox
religion is approximately two thousand years
on this planet."
[Note: Paul was still tweaking Eckankar and
was not capitalizing "living" in "Living" ECK
Master at this time. This is not an editing or
proof reading mistake. This is how "living
Master" is used in The Path of the Masters.]
I guess that one could argue that Sudar knew
he would be dying before PT could be trained
to take his place and that's why he was handed
off to Rebazar. Thus, once again, the fictional
Rebazar is being used as a stop-gap! Therefore,
anyone can use this fictional Rebazar character
anyway they can imagine!
However, Klemp has established hierarchical
safeguards as to what "dreams" are permitted
by EKists least his "authority" be challenged.
This is why all dreams and stories, involving
EK Masters, have to have written approval
(for validity, etc.) before they can be shared.
However, these dream stories cannot cross
the line. A perfect example of this is in the
recent article "May Thy Will Be Mine" in the
09/2009 Mystic World where, in a dream,
"Jane was aware of the Rod of ECK Power
in the Mahanta's hands..." There is No Way
that Jane would have been permitted to
"hold" the Rod, although, this would be
less threatening (since Jane was female)
than if say, "James," was to have a dream
holding the Rod of ECK Power! Thus, EKists
need to be very careful of what they dream
and, especially, what they share or write to
the ESC in an IRO or what they submit as an
FYI: I was looking at an old Wisdom Note
of PT's (after Jan. 1969) and he claimed
that all LEMs become/are Mahantas!
Thus, by this standard Darwin was the
Mahanta. This is why Klemp, also, used
Rebazar to get what he wanted. HK used
PT's Rebazar character to kick Darwin
to the curb since he (HK) was just a 12th
Initiate and RT had the authority as
"Torchbearer" and as a former Mahanta.
Thus, we find the fictional Rebazar being
used as a stopgap for anything and
everything... a perfect Catch-22.
Darwin tried to use Rebazar Tarzs (and other
Eck Masters) to remove Harold Klemp first!
According to testimony taken on May 31st, 1984,
the former Living ECK Master, Darwin Gross, report-
edly claimed that in January, 1983, his successor,
Harold Klemp, was asked to step aside. Reportedly,
it was Rebazar Tarz and Yaubl Sacabi who asked
Harold Klemp to step aside.
See Confessions of a God Seeker, A Journey to
Higher Consciousness, p. 239
Here is a quote from Harold's letter to Darwin Gross.
according to Ford's book (also on p. 239):
The Order of the Vairagi ECK Masters no longer
recognizes you as an ECK Master. As the agent of
the ECK, I have removed all of your initiations in ECK
as well as terminated your membership in Eckankar.
You are not capable or authorized to act or speak for
or about the Vairagi ECK Masters, Eckankar or the
ECK Teachings, nor are you to hold yourself out as
an ECK Master or ECK member."
[See: Confessions of a God Seeker, A Journey to
Higher Consciousness, p. 239]
I've sought to clarify it myself who, or what exactly
is Rebazar Tarzs. I've researched and asked several
questions (on A.R.E. especially). The verdict appears
to be the Eck Masters are real - according to stories
from people claiming to have met them before they
ever heard of Eckankar, or saw any pictures of the
Eck Masters. That is what I've heard people say. It's
not surprising because Harold says the same basic
Some people wonder if Rebazar Tarzs really exists.
They ask if Paul just borrowed a name from the Far
East and made him up. Yet people report having met
the ECK Masters even before they ever heard of Eck-
ankar. The ECK Masters are real.
[Based on: Article (Looking at the Past for Spiritual
Lessons) by Harold Klemp - see link]
So, the verdict (according to some people) says
the Eck Masters are real because people say they
I'm still not convinced what to make of all this. It
could be people's imaginations. I don't know what
the truth is exactly.