Re: Kirpal's Problems With Twitchell's "The Tiger's Fang"
- Hello Etznab and All,
I think that when Paul was initiated
by Kirpal, in 1955, that he was very
involved with the spiritual, as well as,
trying to eek out a living for himself.
When Gail came onto the scene things
began to change. This is when PT started
to focus upon making more money. It
seems to me that Paul did have a two
fold approach with Kirpal. It's kind of
what happened with Graham and Harold,
except, Graham didn't start his own
religious group... but then again Graham
didn't have a "Gail" to push him along.
What does the PT/Kirpal & Rebazar/EK
time-line look like with Gail factored in?
There are plenty of EK quotes in "The Path
of the Masters," but I don't know if that
one particular, KAL, quote is there.
I really like that Buddha quote, "Is it true,
Is it necessary, Is it kind?" Most ECKists
really think that this came from Twit or
Klemp! Well, when you know you know,
or you think you "know" you know!
Paul was a "promoter" and he wrote for
people he knew.
Ever since the Navy, Scientology and
the other spiritual groups.
I wonder if Paul wasn't writing to promote
the teachings of Kirpal Singh and the path
he was supposedly initiated into in 1955.
This is just a suspicion, but the manuscripts
did "apparently" get written one and two years
after hooking up with Kirpal.
Do you recall ever having ever seen that Kal
Niranjan quote in any other book?
I'll have to check, but I thought it was in The
Path Of The Masters. I could be wrong here -
I've been wrong before - but I wonder if that one
sounds familiar to you or anybody else.
Hello Etznab and All,
It seems like Marman is speculating,
himself, on these dates or else he
wouldn't be saying 1956 and 1957.
Didn't Paul write anything after these
dates? Of course! He did his revision,
for one thing (1966 or 1967), and
Marman admits to that. I'd say that
PT probably added, substituted,
changed, and omitted a few other
things over the years to tweak his
Maybe these so-called "manuscripts"
were merely from PT's dream journals,
as well as, copies of his initiate reports
to his, then, Master Kirpal Singh. In that
case we all have "manuscripts" that we
have been working upon for years and,
even, have hidden away! Of course, knowing
Paul's background as we do, I'd have to
say he also "researched" his travels into
these other planes by visiting "physical
plane" libraries (versus an Astral Library)
including the one Gail was working in.
If Eckankar does have an "original"
Tiger's Fang manuscript for its "historical"
library/museum it would be the revised
one that omitted Kirpal's name and
substituted Rebazar's. But, that's a
rather obvious prophecy isn't it!
On another note:
Isn't it interesting that Twitchell makes
a couple of disclaimers at the beginning
of The Tiger's Fang.
On page v Paul has a quote from Niranjan.
It states, 'Man does not know real freedom.
His dogmas are set and imposed upon him
from the outside; his religious beliefs become
frozen over the centuries. His religions do
not come from within, anymore. They belong
to an outside world.' "Niranjan: The Tiger's
I doubt that the "outside" "religious beliefs"
of Eckankar, and Eckists, as well as, its
"dogmas" are excluded from this observation.
BTW- There is no mention of a Mahanta,
here, in 1967. Yet, PT is supposed to be
the Mahanta in 1967. Twit mentions the
"Mahanta" once in the back of his 1969
"The Flute of God."
Paul, now, gets into his main disclaimer
in the introduction on page 1.
"The book came out of personal experience.
What is written on these pages is Not as
important as the recording of those worlds
that few Souls, other than the saints, have
It's no wonder that Kirpal had a problem
with this book since PT's placing himself
on the same level as a "saint."
"Some will say that this book is the wild
fantasy of a highly developed imagination,
BUT one must understand that THERE IS
NOTHING IN THE WORLDS OF GOD WITHOUT
SOME DEGREE OF TRUTH. EVEN FANTASY
IS CAST OUT OF THE MATERIAL CLOTH
OF GOD, SO HOW CAN FANTASY BE A
That's pretty slick! However, it was always
my belief that ONLY COMPLETE TRUTH can
exist in the Pure Positive (Higher) God Worlds.
There is Not "some degree of truth." Is Twit
serious when he asks us "how can fantasy
be a complete untruth?" If it's not REAL
and is pretend it still could have some lower
plane "truth," but this shouldn't be confused
with the Truth coming from the (higher) God
"This statement should stagger the mind
of man and shake the foundation of the
teachings of the orthodox religions, philosophies,
and metaphysics. However, I am prepared
to make my statements based on pure experience,
and one must remember that all experiences
are unique ONLY to the experiencer."
Since "all experiences are unique only to the
experiencer" and are "fantasy" and have some
"untruth" to them what, then, makes them valid?
Remember, too, Twit wrote for "Ripley's Believe
It or Not!" And, Klemp states that Twitchell was
'exaggerating' and 'twisting facts' at the age
This seems to be a disclaimer that gives Twit
the license to lie and deceive. Is this a novel,
or is it real and factual? No one can challenge
it either way according to Twit. But, one person
did challenge it and that was Kirpal Singh!
Thus the disagreement and the substitution
of Rebazar's name in place of Kirpal's name!
However, when taking a second look at this
book I'm getting the impression that it's actual
purpose was to be, somewhat, like a resume
that PT was writing for his Master, Kirpal Singh.
Or, maybe Twit thought that he was "honoring"
Kirpal while promoting himself. Nah! Twit thought
that Kirpal would like what he read since it verified
his Mastership on these higher planes and, thus,
Kirpal would Not challenge it. Then, Paul would
have Kirpal's acknowledgment and verification
that he was truly a "Master" or saint himself.
Paul would then have the credentials to break
away and start his own Ruhani Satsang sect.
But, this didn't happen and, thus, Paul had to
create Rebazar in order to have the title of
"Master" passed on... to himself! After all,
Twitchell has already given people a heads-up
that it's all "fantasy."
I was referring to the manuscripts, begun one
and two years after Paul was initiated by Kirpal
Singh. According to Marman, 1956 and 1957.
If the manuscript for The Tiger's Fang was re-
turned by Kirpal Singh in 1966, do you suppose
that manuscript might be in the possession of
Eckankar today? I ask about this because that
manuscript could prove once and for all whether
it was Kirpal Singh or Rebazar Tarzs who was
in the earlier versions.
Paul supposedly liked to keep carbon copies
for all his works and writings.
Where do you suppose is that early manu-
script for The Tiger's Fang that Paul sent to
Kirpal Singh and that Kirpal reportedly sent
Lost to history?