Re: Jay....these are the links
- Hello Etznab and All,
I agree. It seems that Eckankar has many
"sources." And these sources have many
sources too. All religions take some things
from one another.
I've noticed that some of the quotes,
that I found in "The Path of the Masters"
concerning the HU, was word for word
from the below link:
Thus, did Radhasoami take from this source
while Ruhani Satsang (Kirpal) took from that
source and Eckankar (Twitchell, Gross, and
Klemp) took from this and that source?
Yes, this is how religions change their colors.
Why shouldn't people just use the text already
written instead of joining or creating a "spiritual"
religious group? Why put up with the leadership
egos, and with those control tactics designed
for the masses with those religious rules, laws,
and traditions that one must follow or else!
Anyway, how can Eckankar be the accumulation
of "teachings" from a linage of "ECK" Masters,
like Rebazar, when it is obvious that it comes
from the documented "sources" that Twit found
in "libraries" and Not from the "nightly visits"
by phony EK Masters!
After all, Rebazar was really Kirpal Singh, and
Eckankar is really just a sect/faction of Ruhani
The jaw-dropper seems to be the "source" and not
so much the "teachings". IMO.
Eckankar attributes as "source" (apparently) many
"Eck Masters" like Rebazar Tarzs, etc.
So the jaw-dropper, for me, was not so much similar
teachings between Eckankar and other paths, but the
"truth" about Rebazar Tarzs and other "Eck Masters".
To my knowledge, Eckankar has never publicly ad-
mitted Rebazar Tarzs wasn't / isn't a real living person
who dictated Eckankar "teachings" to Paul Twitchell.
As a result, this "source" continues to be wrapped in
living the creative wrote:
If you read through this, your mouth may drop open.
You can see where Illuminated Press came from
Flute of God
The spiritual planes and sounds and HU
The is also a chapter that is close to the 9 silent ones, but I got
tired and could not find it. It came from two different sites. I do
not have my old book marks on this community so I went to a second site
which the last ones are from, where I could do a search. Enjoy
(This is the main body that the below come from)
- Hi, Etznab!
You are spot on about Rebazar Tarzs and other
eck masters not being real living personages and they
never were! They are all made up. This is a great con
Klemp feebly attempted to make the eck masters
real in "Those Wonderful ECK Masters" which he
published in 2005 . . . what a silly book really but
Klemp's mean spiritedness does shine through
none the less, and as I have posted it looked like
a sneaky attempt on Klemp's part to position
his wife Joan as an eck master!
I hope he is writing another spin because I'd love
to see what he is up to now!! LOL! But seriously
"Those Wonderful ECK Masters" is Klemp's supreme
and intentional big lie! He openly reveals how dishonest
and untrustworthy he is. Klemp is no mahanta and he
is no master of anything or anyone!
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, etznab@... wrote:
> The jaw-dropper seems to be the "source" and not
> so much the "teachings". IMO.
> Eckankar attributes as "source" (apparently) many
> "Eck Masters" like Rebazar Tarzs, etc.
> So the jaw-dropper, for me, was not so much similar
> teachings between Eckankar and other paths, but the
> "truth" about Rebazar Tarzs and other "Eck Masters".
> To my knowledge, Eckankar has never publicly ad-
> mitted Rebazar Tarzs wasn't / isn't a real living person
> who dictated Eckankar "teachings" to Paul Twitchell.
> As a result, this "source" continues to be wrapped in
> apparent mystery.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: livingthecreative <livingthecreative@...>
> To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2009 10:59 pm
> Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Jay....these are the links
> If you read through this, your mouth may drop open.
> You can see where Illuminated Press came from
> Flute of God
> The spiritual planes and sounds and HU
> The is also a chapter that is close to the 9 silent ones, but I got
> tired and could not find it. It came from two different sites. I do
> not have my old book marks on this community so I went to a second site
> which the last ones are from, where I could do a search. Enjoy
> (This is the main body that the below come from)
- Hello All,
FYI - I've put these (9) Sufi links up on ESA's LINKS
page. They're located near the bottom of the page.
BTW - Why can't a self-proclaimed "intellectual"
like Harold Klemp, the Mahanta, express his
God-Knowledge in the same way as Inayat Khan?
Compare the comments of Inayat Khan to Klemp's
"timeless" Autobiography of a Modern Prophet!
Klemp has implied that Twitchell's written works
were for another generation and, thus, of a lower
world consciousness. HK's message, he claims,
is current (living) and thus more valid, relevant,
HK's message, he claims, is of a "higher consciousness."
However, Inayat Khan brought his message to
the West in 1910 and died in 1927. Whereas,
Twitchell, brought his plagiarized message,
ECKankar, to the public in 1965. But, Klemp
still uses PT's plagiarized Shariyats as ECKankar's
Holy Books! Isn't this a contradiction, or is it
just another Catch-22?
However, all ECKists should read the words and
message of Inayat Khan and make the comparison
to Klemp's "Modern Prophet" message. There is
no real comparison! And, this is why Klemp hides
himself away. He cannot function around others.
He would give himself and his con away if he had
more contact with others. He's no master... he's
a paranoid and mean-spirited recluse!
Thus, the actual "living" and "current" teachings
of ECKankar are contained within dated material
that contains a dumbed-down one-dimensional
message. There is no spiritual meat. ECKankar
has not evolved under Klemp! Again, read this
Sufi info for yourself.
On another note: This reference to Sufism takes
me back to my days in the San Diego area, long
ago, when I used to go to the local Unity Church
to do Sufi dancing. It was fun!
http://www.sufimess age.com/the- way-of-illuminat ion/index. html
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http://www.sufimess age.com/the- way-of-illuminat ion/the-masters. html
http://www.sufimess age.com/the- inner-life/ angel-man. html
http://www.sufimess age.com/the- inner-life/ five-different- kinds-of-
http://www.sufimess age.com/soul- whence-whither/ toward-manifesta tion.html
http://www.sufimess age.com/mental- purification/ Dreams%20and% 20Revelations.
http://wahiduddin. net/mv2/II/ II_8.htm
http://wahiduddin. net/mv2/IX/ IX_12.htm
http://wahiduddin. net/mv2/XIV/ XIV_14.htm