Hello Nancy, I started something good
for myself when I left eckankar. I am
my own path... this is my journey.
Just because I point out the flaws of
this religion (eckankar) and others doesn't
mean I haven't moved on, or am not learning
and living the "spiritual life." You haven't
seen the whole of it... only a small part.
Thus, you've made an erroneous assumption
on that point, but thanks for the concern.
I've found it interesting how eckists
(and people in general) continue to become
trapped via their needs and fears and guilts
(shame too). They need masters and experts
and those in authority to look up to. When
one discovers their own Truth and the pieces
to their private puzzle, then, the grand
puzzle (of the Who, Why, When, How, etc.)
begins to be understood. Then one is able
to avoid other traps via knowledge of Soul
and Spirit (imo).
On another note: Recently, after a family
function, a group of us went to a restaurant
and it was announced that one person amongst
us wanted to say a prayer. He wanted everyone
to hold hands (I declined). He then began
a very loud and long winded prayer. He probably
wanted to get noticed, and to show everyone
just how holy (holier than thou) that he was.
I didn't pray his prayer either or fall for
his control tactic. You see, he's a fundamentalist
Christian, but of a small church which is
very cult like. The minister demands that his
flock do his will and has told them that if
he commands them to that they should allow
him to sleep with their wives. Not that he
would (perhaps), but his whole point was to
get them to surrender to his will... completely
This "praying man" was one of the minister's
deacons (similar to an H.I.). They go out into
the public to flex their so-called "spiritual"
muscles by judging others "lower" than themselves
while they prey with the intimidation tactics
they have been taught.
BTW- I noticed that this guy's wife seemed
to be very submissive and kept looking up
at me and smiling while I was joking with
some people at the table.
FYI, we're not beating a dead horse either!
Eckists continue to read the info here.
Plus, ESA tends to look at the and analyze
the current situation with eckankar and
eckists, as well as, the comments of Klemp
and the direction he is taking them.
I find it interesting that some of those
intelligent and kind H.I.'s that I knew
over the years (friends) are still members
of a religion that they don't really believe
in any longer. These H.I.s merely pay lip
service to eckankar and to Klemp. However,
Klemp does the same to them! So, is it any
wonder HK's made a mess of things since he's
the one who has sown the seeds producing
the weeds in the eck garden!
Thus, this site will continue (for awhile longer)
to the regret of those true blue delusional
Klemp eckists (and interlopers), or whomever.
lonwakome (Nancy) wrote:
Hello Prometheus, Jay, NonEck and others,
I thinks it's good that you are going back
and disecting the history of the path you
chose to take. As for beating a dead horse,
that's what i see happening here with nearly
all of this dialogue.
You have spent a great deal of time and energy
looking for errors and falsehoods in the beliefs
and religion of these guys. I would like to
respectfully suggest that you begin (as Jay
has stated) to spend your psychic energy figuring
out your own spirituality on this good earth.
The fact that you were sucked in to a bad experience
remains, and is regrettable.
I'm suggesting that you leave that bad religion
behind, and start building something good for
yourself. Continuing to look for all the lies
that Twitchell and Klemp are telling keeps you
swimming in their sewer. Find your own truth,
and it will set you free.
I had a very similar experience, and ultimately
I had to decide what was worth keeping about it
all. I had to do a lot of forgiving, including
myself for the betrayal of my own selfhood in
favor of what others believed about me.
Ultimately we are all on the same journey,
even Klemp and Twitchell and Hitler and
George Bush - all the same, but different
pathways. You might say it's a Lonwakome....