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Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] More 2004 TS Comments by Doug Marman

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  • etznab@aol.com
    Wasn t sure I already knew that about the Shariyat 3. I d love to see what Paul wrote there. I wonder if those chapters will ever become public. Etznab ...
    Message 1 of 2 , Jun 30, 2009
      Wasn't sure I already knew that about
      the Shariyat 3. I'd love to see what Paul
      wrote there. I wonder if those chapters
      will ever become public.


      -----Original Message-----
      From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
      To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:30 am
      Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] More 2004 TS Comments by Doug

      These are excerpts of Doug Marman's

      comments and responses to questions

      posed to him from 2/3/2004 & 2/9/2004

      on Ford Johnson's thetruth-seeker BB.

      Subject: Another Response to Ford From Doug Marman

      DM: "In fact, Paul hadn't published any

      of his teachings or his experiences about

      his teachers before 1963. So the names

      Sudar Singh and Rebazar Tarzs appear

      for the first time right alongside the

      names Kirpal Singh and Swami Premananda

      and others...

      I am not trying to say that this proves that

      Sudar Singh or Rebazar Tarzs were real people.

      In fact, I have seen no evidence to prove this

      matter one way or the other." [2/3/2004]

      Subject: A Few Responses

      The following are Marman's responses to

      certain questions posed to him. DM will,

      at times, also include the full question.

      FYI: Previously, Marman stated that he does

      not give "Yes" or "No" answers.

      "3. Did Paul20Twitchell copy other writers


      DM: "Yes. Well, I guess that I can give yes

      or no answers sometimes."

      "4. Did Paul Twitchell use other writers words

      and put his Eck masters names on them as if

      the Eck Master were saying them?

      DM: "Yes"

      These next DM responses were to (me) Nacal

      (aka Usually Skeptical).

      DM: "You seem to be right. Paul didn't use

      the word, Mahanta, until the January 1969

      Illuminated Way Letter and the February 1969

      Wisdom Note.... This is interesting. Thanks

      for pointing it out."

      FYI: Actually, it was the January 1, 1969

      Wisdom Notes where Twit first used the

      word "Mahanta."


      DM: "You wrote: 'Is what Harold teaches

      (Eckankar) a myth? Since I brought this

      subject up can you tell me if the Holocaust

      was a myth or not?'"

      DM: "Yes, I would say that a lot of what is

      taught about Eckankar is a myth.

      Yes, I think a lot of what people think about

      the Holocaust is made up of myth as well...

      History is largely made up of myth."

      ME: Doug gives a wishy-washy conclusion

      (not included) to his original anti-Holocaust

      statement in order to soften it some. Marman

      is, basically, saying that the "truth" (of history

      and life) is too complex to analyze. With Doug

      "this" or
      "that" or a combination of both, depending

      upon one's individual observation, is their "truth"

      which is a "myth" to others! But, what about the

      mass observation and experience of the Holocaust?

      Thus, Marman likes to sit on the fence when

      it suits him. This flip-flop to a non-position

      allows him to shirk the responsibility of saying

      words that stick and have real meaning. Instead,

      Marman constantly side-steps the issues and

      what he has previously stated. However, this

      merely shows his true two-faced, Kal-like demeanor.


      DM: "I think he liked the idea that his past

      was mysterious, and he helped to create

      this mysterious past. Yes, Paul is only known

      to the world as Peddar Zaskq because he told

      the world that was his spiritual name.

      And yes, this is the kind of writing that is

      mythological. Did you think I would say

      something else?"

      DM: "You ask, 'Are the initiations in Eckankar

      valid as a means to greater spiritual growth

      over those who are non-Eckists? Or, is this

      a myth too?'"

      DM: "I think the initiations are a mixed bag...

      they have become mixed with myths as well.

      I can tell you that Self-Realization is rare,

      HI or not. The initiation level doesn't prove

      anything. I don't think that anyone should

      be judging another person's worth or truth

      by what initiation le
      vel they are at. Including

      the Master."

      ME: I, also, asked why Klemp hadn't gone

      to the "Astral Library" to finish Book 3 of the

      Shariyat that Paul had begun as he stated on

      page 136 of "Difficulties Of Becoming The Living

      ECK Master."

      DM: "I think that Harold thought about completing

      book three but for some reason decided it wasn't

      his place to do so. i would be surprised if Harold

      ever finishes book three, or tries to." [2/9/2004]

      ME: Nice second guessing! Why wouldn't the

      14th Plane M/LEM be able to go the the Astral

      Library and copy the rest of the Lower Plane

      Shariyats? Hmmmmm. Maybe it's because HK's

      powers are all Mythological!

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