Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] More 2004 TS Comments by Doug Marman
- Wasn't sure I already knew that about
the Shariyat 3. I'd love to see what Paul
wrote there. I wonder if those chapters
will ever become public.
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:30 am
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] More 2004 TS Comments by Doug
These are excerpts of Doug Marman's
comments and responses to questions
posed to him from 2/3/2004 & 2/9/2004
on Ford Johnson's thetruth-seeker BB.
Subject: Another Response to Ford From Doug Marman
DM: "In fact, Paul hadn't published any
of his teachings or his experiences about
his teachers before 1963. So the names
Sudar Singh and Rebazar Tarzs appear
for the first time right alongside the
names Kirpal Singh and Swami Premananda
I am not trying to say that this proves that
Sudar Singh or Rebazar Tarzs were real people.
In fact, I have seen no evidence to prove this
matter one way or the other." [2/3/2004]
Subject: A Few Responses
The following are Marman's responses to
certain questions posed to him. DM will,
at times, also include the full question.
FYI: Previously, Marman stated that he does
not give "Yes" or "No" answers.
"3. Did Paul20Twitchell copy other writers
DM: "Yes. Well, I guess that I can give yes
or no answers sometimes."
"4. Did Paul Twitchell use other writers words
and put his Eck masters names on them as if
the Eck Master were saying them?
These next DM responses were to (me) Nacal
(aka Usually Skeptical).
DM: "You seem to be right. Paul didn't use
the word, Mahanta, until the January 1969
Illuminated Way Letter and the February 1969
Wisdom Note.... This is interesting. Thanks
for pointing it out."
FYI: Actually, it was the January 1, 1969
Wisdom Notes where Twit first used the
DM: "You wrote: 'Is what Harold teaches
(Eckankar) a myth? Since I brought this
subject up can you tell me if the Holocaust
was a myth or not?'"
DM: "Yes, I would say that a lot of what is
taught about Eckankar is a myth.
Yes, I think a lot of what people think about
the Holocaust is made up of myth as well...
History is largely made up of myth."
ME: Doug gives a wishy-washy conclusion
(not included) to his original anti-Holocaust
statement in order to soften it some. Marman
is, basically, saying that the "truth" (of history
and life) is too complex to analyze. With Doug
"that" or a combination of both, depending
upon one's individual observation, is their "truth"
which is a "myth" to others! But, what about the
mass observation and experience of the Holocaust?
Thus, Marman likes to sit on the fence when
it suits him. This flip-flop to a non-position
allows him to shirk the responsibility of saying
words that stick and have real meaning. Instead,
Marman constantly side-steps the issues and
what he has previously stated. However, this
merely shows his true two-faced, Kal-like demeanor.
DM: "I think he liked the idea that his past
was mysterious, and he helped to create
this mysterious past. Yes, Paul is only known
to the world as Peddar Zaskq because he told
the world that was his spiritual name.
And yes, this is the kind of writing that is
mythological. Did you think I would say
DM: "You ask, 'Are the initiations in Eckankar
valid as a means to greater spiritual growth
over those who are non-Eckists? Or, is this
a myth too?'"
DM: "I think the initiations are a mixed bag...
they have become mixed with myths as well.
I can tell you that Self-Realization is rare,
HI or not. The initiation level doesn't prove
anything. I don't think that anyone should
be judging another person's worth or truth
by what initiation le
vel they are at. Including
ME: I, also, asked why Klemp hadn't gone
to the "Astral Library" to finish Book 3 of the
Shariyat that Paul had begun as he stated on
page 136 of "Difficulties Of Becoming The Living
DM: "I think that Harold thought about completing
book three but for some reason decided it wasn't
his place to do so. i would be surprised if Harold
ever finishes book three, or tries to." [2/9/2004]
ME: Nice second guessing! Why wouldn't the
14th Plane M/LEM be able to go the the Astral
Library and copy the rest of the Lower Plane
Shariyats? Hmmmmm. Maybe it's because HK's
powers are all Mythological!