Another Recycled Q&A of Harry's
- This same Jan., 2009 Letter of Light
Q&A is repeated in the June, 2009
The Mystic World!
I wonder why Klemp didn't do a "contrast"
between his "earlier" years in ECK and the
time he received his 10th Initiation circa
July, 1981 [by Darwin (Dap Ren) the Inner
Master] as the questioner wanted?
How about a "contrast" between HK's "earlier"
years 1967, 1968, 1969 (playing ping-pong
and milking cows) prior to his 1970 "God-Realization
experience" (the bridge jump, strip tease
at an airport, and being confined to a mental
institution), and his one month stint as a 10th
Youth in ECK - Letter of Light - Jan. 2009/
The Mystic World of ECKankar - June, 2009
Q: 1) "Can you describe what it is like
to be linked up to the Divine Wisdom
Pool at the TENTH INITIATION, as is
spoken of in The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad?
2) Can you contrast between being within
that state and earlier in your years in ECK
before your experience of God Consciousness
on The Bridge?" Kevin, age 23
ME: It's strange that this person wants to
know about what the "contrast" would have
been like for Klemp prior to his "God Realization"
and the "experience" of the 10th. No wonder
Klemp avoided answering this!
In regard to the Tenth Initiation: Klemp
received the 8th in May/June, 1980; the 9th
in June, 1981; the 10th circa July, 1981; the
11th circa Aug. 1981; the 12 in October of
1981. That's not much time to even really
"know" the 9th, 10th, or the 11th! ["Soul
Travelers of the Far Country," CH. 7]
BTW-I would think that the 11th is more
important than the 10th! It is mentioned
in the Shariyat that the 11th is a special
mile stone and is very important! Why doesn't
HK set the record straight on this point? Did
As to "the bridge" incident... HK's "God-Realization
experience" was just a cover story to hide
Klemp's embarrassment and long term mental
imbalance. Klemp's desire to climb the initiation
ladder along with his delusional thinking and
narcissism took a negative KAL experience and
recreated it to look like a divine ECKie experience.
HK: "Dear Kevin, Yours is quite an important
question. Let me don my thinking cap and
see what comes of it."
ME: Actually, there were TWO very different
questions. But, for Klemp to "don his thinking
cap" and "see what comes of it" sounds like he's
going to come up with another imagined Mental
Plane story. The ALL KNOWING Mahanta should
"Know" and Not have to "don his thinking cap"
in order to "see what comes of it!" One doesn't
have to "think" about what sounds good, they
just know and recall the subjective experience.
HK: "When an individual first undertakes
a serious study of the ECK teachings, it is
with a view of coming into a more harmonious
relationship with the divine will. Each initiation
along the way results in more love flowing into
one's heart. As divine love grows, so also does
wisdom. They go hand in hand."
ME: Why wasn't "Divine Will" in caps? More narcissism?
Yes, when one "first" undertakes the EK teachings
there is more innocence and ignorance of the fact
that "INITIATIONS" are what really matter. And,
this "heart" thing... that refers to the Heart Chakra.
Why isn't "Divine Love" in caps either?
HK: "The Tenth Initiation does, however, indicate
a real turning point. For that level marks the place
where true Mastership begins and the threshold
phase of the Ninth Initiation leaves off."
ME: How would Klemp "know" all that much about
the 9th, let alone the 10th, or the 11th Initiations
since they all took place from June to October in
1981! How long does it take for someone to get
use to the 5th? They aren't even allowed to become
an EK Cleric, now, for two years or more after getting
HK: "After the Ninth, I MORE or LESS stopped
inadvertently hurting people."
ME: "Inadvertently, more or less?" What's that mean?
It means Klemp intentionally hurt people, "after the Ninth,"
but now he controls his anger more and, now, only hurts
people accidently, unintentionally and "inadvertently!"
HK: "The Tenth is where the will of the Divine reigns
supreme. This simply means that the initiate's will
is in complete accord with the Sugmad and the ECK."
ME: Why is it that Sugmad resides on the Tenth Plane
when there are Planes higher? It's because Twitch
added these other Planes when he created the Mahanta
title for the Jan. 1969 Wisdom Notes.
HK: "Henceforth, all thoughts and feelings are perfectly
inspired by God's love. Every deed, then, is the product
of that love. It is, moreover, the expressing of pure wisdom,
where even the HUMBLEST action accomplishes Some spiritual
GOOD, everywhere and all the time. Your attention is certainly
in the right direction, Kevin. I hope this answer helps."
ME: Klemp never gives a direct answer does he! Anyone
could have made this up. Just read the EK brochures!
And, Klemp never did comment about "the Bridge"
It's interesting how Klemp relates Mental Plane "thoughts"
and Astral Plane "feelings" to the TENTH Plane (the Anami
Lok) where Sugmad resides. "Every deed is the product of
love" should apply to a 12th Initiate, as well, due to "as above
so below." Thus, "every deed" of Darwin's was, also, "the
product of love." Yet, we see how Klemp, as a 12th LEM,
continued to "inadvertently," or intentionally, "hurt" Darwin.
And notice how Klemp, indirectly, refers to his humility.
How vain! Klemp wants his believers to Feel Good and to
give them hope that they too can become TENTH Initiates.
But, not in this lifetime! That's only a pipe dream. How can
that ever happen? Klemp has "slowed down" initiations
for everyone! Anyway, the bullshit got rather deep once
again! Basically, if someone has a question for Klemp it's
best to just grab the most current EK brochure and there's