Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Digest Number 1376
- I thought the running of more than one body might
explain how Paul Twitchell went to France & India :)
However it's even more a stretch (IMO) the example
you just cited. If Paul T. was in Julian Johnson's body,
I'd call that possession!
From: Sharon <brighttigress@...>
Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 1:59 pm
Subject: Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Digest Number 1376
Back at alt.religion. eckankar years ago, an eckist posted just about
the most ridiculous ecksplanation for the plagiarism that I've ever
heard - Twitch wrote somewhere that a "soul" could run more than one
body, so perhaps Twitch was actually running Julian Johnson's body when
he wrote "Path of the Masters", therefore there's no plagiarism because
you can't plagiarize yourself! Isn't that a hoot!
There are a few "newer" plagiarism examples in the files over at ET
that may not be posted anywhere else:
Someone posted awhile back that they'd spotted material in the SKS that
came from Ouspensky/Gurdjieff but their books were in storage - if
anyone's interesting in comparing the books let me know and I'll look
up more specific info.
Have a great weekend,
1a. Rebazar Plagiarized Too!
Posted by: "p
Date: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:31 pm ((PDT))
Did the (fake) ECKankar master of Twitchell,
Rebazar Tarzs, plagiarize Julian Johnson's
"The Path of the Master's," or did Julian
Johnson plagiarize Rebazar?
What has Rebazar written without Twitchell's
help and when was it written? Nothing was
heard from Rebazar prior to when... 1969?
It could be that Twitchell mentioned RT in
his Orion articles, but PT doesn't have RT
actually speaking in his books prior to 1969.
Rebazar states (according to Paul Twitchell,
page 131, "The Far Country"):
"There is little wonder that men take to
religion, even if
they have to invent one."
ME: Like PT did!
RT: "Voltaire said that religion is the solace
of the weak."
ME: I agree!
RT: "Nietszche repeated this in his writings
and talks. But be that as it may, the weak
and the trapped need some support, and
far be it from me to deny them. I wouldn't
take their religion away, even if I knew full
well that it could be done."
ME: I'm attempting to show ECKists the
Truth rather than religious lies and myth.
RT: "Religion has always been a haven for
the millions who mourn and suffer. It is
undeniable that it has been generally the
unhappy who have sought relief in religion;
any religion which happened to be near them,
and who can blame them. It's like a drowning
man grasping at a straw."
E: Actually, there are also those seeking
God and the spiritual life and the answers
to the unknown.
However, what's even
more interesting is
that these same exact words, spoken by
ECK Master Rebazar Tarzs (The Torchbearer
of ECKankar) via Paul Twitchell, are in the
first paragraph of Chapter 2 in "The Path of
the Masters" (1939 copyright).
So who spoke these words first? Was it
Julian P. Johnson in 1939, or was it Rebazar
Tarzs via Paul Twitchell in 1970? Or, did
Rebazar say these same exact words prior
to 1939 and Johnson was somehow able
to retrieve and copy them?
Nah! Twitchell was a liar and a plagiarist!
PT created Rebazar, as an alter ego, in order
to initiate himself, and create his own religion!
Welcome to the site. I'll give you some
info on PT's plagiarized "Flute" passages
and point you toward more.
First, check out the LINKS section, here
on this site, for plagiarisms. Also, there's
a LINK toward the bottom of the page with
Second, buy a SCP Journal-There's a
LINK that tells about it and takes you
to that site where you can purchase
one (it's very inexpensive). Actually,
this would, even, be a great historic
reference/resource for ECKists too
because of the early info given (dates,
etc.), and the pics of Gail and Paul
are very nice!
Third, go to the FILES section here
(for members only) and read or skim
0Athrough Chapters 6-10 of "Confessions
of a God Seeker" for more info on PT's
Fourth, I'll look through my copy of
"Flute" and see if I can find something.
Okay- On page 47, bottom, of "Flute"
(1970 1st printing) Paul states,
"Each generally knows something different
about Truth than the other will know.
For example: Bacon, Spinoza, Voltaire,
Emerson, Berkeley, Kant, Hegel, Spencer,
Schopenhauer and Darwin contributed
something to the knowledge of Truth
the quality of matter in a given
place and under given conditions is
This same quote is on page 9 (in my
copy) of "The Path of the Masters."
It's word for word. The only difference
is that Twit omitted Nietzsche's name,
however, PT had all of the other names
in the same order as they are listed in
"The Path of the Masters!"
It should be pointed out, too, that the
author of "The Path of the Masters"
(1939 copyright), Julian P. Johnson, was
only giving his "opinion" in this quote
that Twitchell used. Thus, there is No
real universal "Truth" being "compiled,"
and passed on to ECKists (by Twit) as
Klemp suggests. These comments are
only one's (Johnson's) personal opinions/
view. This is why the argument of Twitchell
being a "Compiler of Truth" doesn't hold
It appears Twitchell was doing a rewrite
of "The Flute of God" while, simultaneously,
writing "The Far
Country" in 1970. The
copyright of "Flute"
is 1969 but the first
printing was 1970.
Thus, on page 131 of "The Far Country,"
PT (RT) decides to discuss Nietzsche (the
name he omitted from the above mentioned
plagiarism in "Flute").
These same quotes (supposedly being
said by Rebazar Tarzs) beginning with:
'There is little wonder...' and 'Religion has
always been...' are mentioned word for word
at the beginning of Chapter 2 in "The Path
of the Masters."
BTW- In Chapter 6, page 75, of "Flute" there
is another plagiarism. The paragraph starts
out with, "The Supreme has been called various
names in different languages, but it is known
to those who recognize the real wisdom as HU,
the name of the nameless one."
This quote, and more, are from the 1923
copyright, pages 64-65, of "The Mysticism
of Sound" by Hazrat Inayat Khan.
Also, I found it very interesting that
used many parts of "The Flute of God" for
his September 2004 "H.I. Letter:" Chapter 8,
"The Appeal of Man to God;" Chapter 9, "The
Shape of the Altar;" Chapter 12, "The Borders
Anyway, I hope this information has helped
you with your research.
I am researching Twitchell's "Flute of God".
I am searching for plagarized passages.
Can anyone here provide examples?
Or point me in the right direction?