HK: "Degrees of Good Deeds & White Karma"
- Hello All,
Klemp is intentionally generalizing and
using vague and confusing terminology.
I've never heard either Twitchell or Klemp
mention some of these terms before. They
aren't listed and/or defined in any prior
ECKankar teachings or works.
Here's a list of all the terms that Klemp
is using in the his Mystic World answer:
1. White Magic
2. Grayish White Area
3. White Karma
4. Black Magic
5. Black Karma
6. Karmaless Action
7. Degrees of Good Deeds
8. Degrees of Retribution
9. No Sharp Line of Demarcation
10. Gray Area
11. Respond Positively
Q: "In a Q&A, you explained that when
someone is trying to direct the ECK, it
is a form of WHITE MAGIC.
In another Q&A, you define it as BLACK
HK: "Carefully consider the Context
of such Answers."
ME: This sounds like a disclaimer that
leaves the door open to anything one
HK: "First of all, an ECK initiate should
move into a position of Karmaless Action.
That means Doing Everything in the Name
of the Master. It is the Easy Way."
ME: I agree that this is an awfully "easy way"
of living a Co-dependent irresponsible life!
What's the catch? Klemp is giving ECKists
a blank check that will lead to even more
delusion? Maybe that's the catch!
Q:  "What is the difference between
the two [black & white magic]?"
HK: "WHITE MAGIC is with the intent to
do some good. But note that it is Not done
in the Master's name at all.
When one's attitude drifts into thoughts
of having Power and Control over others,
the Deed then slips into BLACK MAGIC."
ME: Isn't the Mahanta's Mission and the
EK Vahana (missionary) Effort a form of
WHITE MAGIC since the "intent (is) to do
some good." Just because one is doing
this work "in the Master's name" doesn't
mean that it's Not WHITE MAGIC. After All,
aren't the Vahanas and the new members
rewarded with GOOD (White) KARMA!
The same can be said about BLACK MAGIC.
Doesn't the ESC/RESA Hierarchy have Power
and Control over EK Chelas! Look at the
negativity of some of the H.I.s and RESAs.
This is why Klemp wrote his H.I. and L.I.
Leadership books. And yet they, too, do
their negative acts in the name of the
Q:  "How does this relate to giving love
with strings attached, as you mentioned
in your 2008 Springtime Seminar talk?"
HK: "Giving a gift or doing a 'kindness' is
in the GRAYISH WHITE area of WHITE MAGIC.
Please understand that there are Degrees
of Good Deeds and WHITE KARMA, and so
are there Degrees of Retribution for practicing
So do all you giving in the Master's name."
ME: Klemp just said that if one does anything
"in the Master's name" that it's free of Karma!
Now he's back peddling. And, what's this "GRAYISH
WHITE area of WHITE MAGIC?" Klemp is so wishy
washy! No wonder ECKists have to Second Guess
him so much! It is interesting to see Klemp's
lack of color vision with his Black, White, and
Gray perspective. BTW- What are the "Degrees
of Retribution," which equates to "WHITE KARMA,"
for doing "Degrees of Good Deeds?" Let's face
it, it's just more meaningless nonspecific double
talk that leaves chelas guessing. I'd be curious
as to how that will be interpreted in any upcoming
"Mystic World Discussion Classes."
Q:  "Is it OK, as a spiritual exercise, to
visualize the best-case scenario of a situation?"
HK: "YES, it is OK to expect the best outcome
for a situation. BUT also remember to respond
Positively to Whatever the result."
ME: If one responds "positively" isn't that
the same as with "White Magic" or "White Karma?"
Aren't ECKists supposed respond, and act, Neither
For or Against anything? Klemp must have forgotten
this which means he's as confused as his followers!
Q:  "At what point can a self-created
spiritual exercise turn to WHITE or BLACK
Thank you so much for clarifying this."
HK: "Still, there is No Sharp Line of demarcation
between BLACK and WHITE KARMA.
There is also plenty of GRAY area. That is
because everything is in constant flux, changing
in some measure, either a little or a lot.
BLACK MAGIC, at its darkest, seeks to Harm
or Control others right at the Onset."
ME: What did Klemp actually clarify? HK
stated that as long as everything is done
"in the Master's name" that it was "Karmaless,"
but then it seems like HK forgets that his
spiritual tidbit (catch-22) covers all exceptions.
Now HK sees things as fuzzy, unclear, and gray!
It seems that Klemp, also, believes that, "there
is No Sharp Demarcation" between a lie and the
truth, or the imagination and the Real. It's all
now becomes a "Gray Area" via the use of very
fuzzy logic. Yes, everyone in the world knows
what Mr. Obvious (HK) has stated that "everything
is in constant flux." However, Klemp's view is
very limiting, but gives us insight into his very
limited and lower consciousness. Klemp lives in
a Gray World devoid of clarity, contrast, and the
colors that are present in the White Light of the
Higher God Worlds. He has fallen and can't get