Klemp Repeats What Gross Mentions in 1979 & 1980
- Hello All,
In the March 2009 The Wisdom Notes Klemp
states that Twitch's "last lecture took place in
Portland, Oregon, in 1971." Of course, Klemp
wasn't there, (in Oregon), however, Darwin
was the Seminar Director! BTW- I'm not so
sure that PT's last "lecture" took place in
Oregon if he had one on Friday (Sept 17, 1971)
evening in Cincinnati. Darwin mentions this
same info, Klemp gives, in his "A Profile of
ECKankar," and in his autobiography.
Has anyone read Darwin's 1980 autobiography
"From Heaven to the Prairie." It's the biography
that Klemp wasn't capable of, or feared writing.
For one thing, it has many family pictures!
Darwin claims he was given the 5th, by Paul,
in September 1970. He also states that Gail
presented him with a Blue Carnation when
he took the stage at the 1971 EWWS.
Also, there is a quote in DG's book, by 8th Initiate
Millie Moore, stating that when she was first introduced
to Darwin that she immediately knew that he was
the MAHANTA! I wonder what the true blue ECKists
think of this statement by an EK icon like Millie.
Another thing, Darwin claimed that the Silent
Ones choose the LEM and then tell the outgoing
LEM who his replacement is. Thus, Gail was told
by Paul, in a dream, that the Silent Ones had
"Eckanker, the science of soul travel"
by Philip H. Lochhaas, Commission on Organizations,
Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod; Rev edition (1978).
Has anyone read this book? I found it on Amazon.com
(page 4) when I searched for Eckankar Books. It's also
interesting that this is a 1978 "revised edition," (when
did the first edition come out?). BTW-Klemp belonged
to the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod!
Maybe HK's ramblings about Eckankar, when he lived at
home, was a discussion topic on Sundays at Church and
this Philip guy decided to do some cult busting.
I also noticed some interesting comments in the 1979
"A Profile Of ECKANKAR" (which was still being sold into
On page 8 it states that Twitchell had completed all of
his "tasks by September, 1971 when he translated (died).
His last appearance was at a regional ECKankar seminar
in Portland, Oregon." Of course PT didn't get around to
the "task" of choosing a replacement, or of finishing his
Shariyats Books 3 & 4. And, of course, PT's "last appearance"
was not in Portland, Oregon but was at the September
Cincinnati EK Seminar where he died.
It should be noted that Klemp was a 7th initiate and on
the EK Literary Council at this time and helped to write,
proof read, and edit these pamphlets and brochures.
Here are more quotes from this EK booklet:
The Old Testament is More Valid Than the New Testament
"As to the Christian tradition, since the Old Testament
is primarily based on dreams of the principal scribes of
that time, it is more accurately reported than the New
Testament, which is based on hear-say reported decades
later." [page 8]
So, a time when consciousness was lower, Old Testament
an Eye for an Eye times, has more validity and relevance,
than the New Testament times of sacrifice and love, because
some "scribes had dreams" or wrote about the dreams of
others (hearsay) then edited them over the years. Actually,
(IMO) the Psalms are the only thing with any redeeming
value from the Old Testament.
Influencing Others - A Violation of Spiritual Law
"It is a violation of spiritual law to attempt to influence
another for any reason whatsoever." [page 9]
I believe Jonathan wrote about an ECKist named "Heidi"
whom was trying to "influence" a person with the HU. And,
aren't EK intros at bookstores or Myspace Videos designed
to "influence others!" Of course! Vahanas violate "spiritual
law" all the time and Klemp encourages them to do so!
No Worship in ECKankar - Nor is ECKankar a Sect
"2. IS ECKANKAR A RELIGIOUS CULT, SECT OR AN
The word, cult, indicates a peculiar form of worship.
In ECKankar there is NO WORSHIP unless the individual
chooses to do so at the temple WITHIN HIMSELF. NOR
is ECKankar a SECT or SPLINTER from any other organization."
Of course, ECKankar does have the "ECK Worship Service"
(EWS) and conducts these in rented rooms, EK Centers,
the Conn. and Chanhassen EK Temples and at Seminars.
ECKists "pray" by singing the HU. Also, ECKankar is, in fact,
a "Splinter" group (sect) from Ruhani Satsang (Twitchell's
former religious sect). After all, PT's former Guru, Kirpal
Singh, still had possession his "The Tiger's Fang" manuscript
in 1966! Klemp evens admits to this on ECKankar.org!