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  • l2eigh
    Hi: No, thanks.I hadn t been thinking in terms of phenomenal consciousness and access consciousness on a (conscious) :) level. Thanks for expanding the size of
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      Hi:
      No, thanks.I hadn't been thinking in terms of phenomenal
      consciousness and access consciousness on a (conscious) :) level.
      Thanks for expanding the size of the view.
      Leigh

      -- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "Freefrom"
      <eckchains@y...> wrote:
      > Maybe this would be of some help or interest. Wikipedia:
      >
      > Consciousness
      > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
      >
      > Consciousness is a quality of the mind generally regarded to
      comprise
      > qualities such as subjectivity, self-awareness, sentience, sapience,
      > and the ability to perceive the relationship between oneself and
      one's
      > environment. Philosophers divide consciousness into phenomenal
      > consciousness which is experience itself and access consciousness
      > which is the processing of the things in experience (Block 2004).
      >
      > For me, maybe it is the extent of self-awareness or the depth of
      > awareness involved. I've just been following bits of the
      conversation,
      > so sorry if I'm missing something in the purpose of this discussion.
      >
      > Freefrom
      >
      > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "mishmisha9"
      > <mishmisha9@y...> wrote:
      > > Okay, thanks, Leigh! But, one question, doesn't awareness create
      > > consciousness or is it the other way around? I'm thinking about
      > > inventors, perhaps, like Edison. Didn't he use his awareness to
      help
      > > create all his inventions? Of course, one invention could lead to
      > > another--rather progressive in some respects.
      > >
      > > Mish
      > >
      > > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "l2eigh"
      > > <lgrif@m...> wrote:
      > > > Hi Mish:
      > > > Maybe it's just technical but as they're differentiated
      in
      > > > studying this kind of stuff, consciousness is considered
      objective
      > > > and awareness is considered subjective. Or, consciousness is
      > > > associated with the world of thought and awareness is more like
      a
      > > > feeling. Consciousness can be focused on and examined, there
      are
      > > > virtually no tools for examining awareness so you can say
      anything
      > > > you darn well want to and no one can definitively challenge it.
      > > > Consciousness is also associated with "I", and awareness
      with "not
      > > > I", or "no I". So it's always something inspecific
      that's "aware"
      > > but
      > > > (genearally) something difinitive that's conscious.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "mishmisha9"
      > > > <mishmisha9@y...> wrote:
      > > > > Hello, Leigh!
      > > > >
      > > > > If as you state, "everything else in the world is about
      > > > > Consciousness, then why are you saying that eckankar is not
      and
      > > > also
      > > > > asking why should it be?
      > > > >
      > > > > What is the fine difference, as you see it, between Awareness
      > > and
      > > > > Consciousness?
      > > > >
      > > > > I'm just asking to understand better what you mean here in
      your
      > > > post.
      > > > >
      > > > > Thanks,
      > > > > Mish
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "l2eigh"
      > > > > <lgrif@m...> wrote:
      > > > > > Eckankar will not be about consciousness. Why should it be
      > > about
      > > > > > consciousness? Everything else in the world is about
      > > > > Consciousness. It
      > > > > > will be about Awareness and hitch a ride on the BACK of
      every
      > > > > other
      > > > > > hard working self conscious path and person in the world.
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