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Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re*** Promotion of Eckankar-Part 3 of 3-Christianization of Eckankar

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  • Leanne Thompson
    I usually send Love and HU to parts of the world that could use it. Like Mexico and the drug cartel frightening people. I wnet with my gut feeling. I think
    Message 1 of 1 , Feb 10, 2009
      I usually send Love and HU to parts of the world that could use it. Like Mexico and the drug cartel frightening people. I wnet with my gut feeling. I think Klemp just gives his opinion and does not want to be sued saying someone Hued to me and I got ill or fucked up.

      --- On Mon, 2/9/09, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
      Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Promotion of Eckankar-Part 3 of 3-Christianization of Eckankar
      To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 8:34 PM

      Hello Jonathan and All,
      I always thought it was odd that HU Chants were
      Not supposed to be synchronized with other HU
      Chants when they were all, supposedly, Non-directed.

      Actually, I wonder how many voices (ECKists) on those
      HU Chant recordings are actually Directing the ECK
      to do something for them, or for someone else... like
      "Heidi" did!

      I never could figure out why we local ECKists weren't
      permitted to have HU Chants that corresponded to the
      Sunday Morning HU Chants at the Major EK Seminars.

      In TM (Transcendental Meditation) the purpose of
      synchronizing meditations, worldwide, was seen as
      a means of raising World consciousness. This meditative/
      contemplative method, (technique) is, also, seen as
      a means of Unification (Unity Consciousness) with Spirit.
      Thus, it benefits the individual Soul via the raising of
      their own consciousness and has the by-product, or
      effect, of raising the consciousness of the whole World
      as well! This raising of consciousness could lead to
      world peace and harmony. ECKists accept the negative
      Kali-Yuga (time is running out) and yet only attempt
      to raise world consciousness one person (Soul) at a time!

      Or, do EKists do their heroic acts on a one-on-one
      Christian like basis as "Heidi" did? With TM, a large
      gathering of people chanting Mantras and Sutras is,
      also, done without directing this Force... just like with
      the HU Chants.

      Of course, most TMers do their chants privately (like
      ECKists), but it can also be timed with the meditations
      of large gatherings.. . just like the 8:00 a.m. CST Sunday
      Morning HU Chants could. As a matter of fact... aren't
      ECKists somewhat encouraged to synchronize and do
      their own private HU Chant at this time? I think so!

      Now I'm thinking that Klemp doesn't want Group HU
      Chants "synchronized" because he doesn't want to share
      any "power" with EK Chelas. By synchronizing HU Chants,
      to raise World Consciousness (as a natural by-product
      of this Non-Directed prayer), could mean that ECKists
      would look to and experience the Oneness of the ECK
      (SPIRIT). Why then, would they need a Physical Plane LEM?
      They wouldn't! Klemp and Company just want job security!


      Jonathan wrote:
      Lastly. A "nondirected prayer?" The whole purpose of prayer is for
      it to be directed. It is an active procedure, not a passive procedure.
      This whole new concept of Harold Klemps is just spin-doctoring the
      HU chant/sing in Eckankar into a new and very disturbing procedure.

      jonathan wrote:

      Since the early days of Eckankar, and mostly since Harold Klemp has
      taken over, it has been busy reforming and redefining itself in order
      to lure in new members. Basically, they are removing anything from
      the introductory literature and talks that could possibly offend
      anyone. This plan includes what I call the "Christianization of
      Eckankar." What I mean by this is that Eckankar is redoing itself so
      that on the surface of things it more closely resembles Christianity.
      Of course, after the new member has been in

      Eckankar's current plan:

      1. We're going to make Eckankar look like Christianity.

      2. We're going to get them to join Eckankar because it "looks
      familiar" to them.

      3. Then we'll slowly brainwash them for several years before we
      teach them the real thing:

      A. Eckankar is patterned after the religions
      Hinduism, Sikhism, and Sant Mat.

      B. Eckankar is based on worship of a human being
      (whoever the Living Eck master happens to be at the time).

      A. Eckankar introduces the ''Worship Service''

      A lot of current members of Eckankar who joined rather recently would
      probably be surprised to know that for about the first twenty years
      of Eckankar there was no "Worship Service." In fact, this is
      something Eckankar made up as it went along. Back when this first
      happened I had no inkling as to why Eckankar had done this. Back in
      those days, I can remember asking people "Why does Eckankar have
      a Worship Service anyway? Eckists don't worship anything." I naively
      assumed that people would actually give me an answer. But they
      didn't, and I just "blew it off."

      Let's look at the facts. Eckists don't worship Sugmad (Eckankar's
      word for God). We were taught that God is way beyond any need for
      anyone to worship it. And on the surface of things, we were taught
      that we shouldn't worship the Eck master. So I repeat my original
      question "Why is there a worship service in Eckankar?" It took me
      a long time to figure it out, and I think it must have bee during the
      last month of my time in Eckankar that I finally figured it out.
      Eckankar is trying to appear like Christianity. And for the shameful
      reason of appearing like Christianity so they can lure people in.

      In another post I mentioned that a few months before I left Eckankar
      somebody finally informed me that the Worship Service is for new
      people. That is simply more evidence that what I am saying about the
      Worship Service is true.

      B. HU, the most beautiful prayer

      "HU, the most beautiful prayer" is a new booklet that Harold Klemp
      wrote and was first distributed to the members of Eckankar in late
      November of 2008. Frankly, the lack of spiritual principles in this
      booklet is one of the most despicable things I have ever witnessed in
      Eckankar. I read part of this book. This is a brief summary of some
      of what Klemp said:

      "The right way to pray is to sing a song of love to God."

      "The wrong way to pray is to tell God what to do."

      He completely ignores the third choice which is to ask God for
      spiritual wisdom or guidance.

      Or the fourth choice which is to ask God to fix things or give you

      He tells the story of a girl named "Heidi" who learns that her
      relative in another place, a little boy, is in a coma. What she then
      did was to go on the inner and ask the little boy and his parents
      to join her in a HU on the inner planes. She then sang the HU while
      remaining neutral. The next day, she learned that the little boy came
      out of the coma. Supposedly, he asked the nurse "Are you Heidi?"

      When I first read this story I didn't immediately see much of a
      problem with it. But later I started to have second thoughts about
      this whole procedure that Heidi did. I disagree with it for the
      reason that it seems to be a very subtle way to intentionally control
      the outcome of a situation. That's not prayer, that's black magic.
      And the fact that little children in Eckankar are being taught this
      technique is disturbing indeed.

      The problem has mostly to do with one question: "Did she in fact
      remain neutral or did she want a particular outcome to take place?"
      My contention is that she wanted a particular outcome to take place.
      That means that she was, in fact, influencing the outcome of a
      situation regarding someone else without their prior permission.
      That is expressly forbidden in Eckankar and is actively called black
      magic by Eckankar.

      But it seems that Eckankar has found a way around this. And for
      two reasons:

      1. So Eckankar can call the HU a prayer and therefore make Eckankar
      more acceptable to Christians, and

      2. So Eckankar can teach its chelas a way to influence others, all
      the while convincing them that they are not doing that.

      In the case of Heidi, a truly spiritual person would have simply
      said "Thine will be done" and then given it to Holy Spirit. She
      would have been much better off simply giving it to Spirit rather
      than wandering into this situation with her HU chant.

      This new procedure that Harold Klemp has invented is using the
      HU to achieve a desired outcome while at the same time you are
      pretending that you are not doing that. Despite the individuals
      best intentions, I feel that most people will have a desired outcome
      even if it is only at the subconscious level. But please remember
      that the subconscious mind energy is more powerful and the
      conscious mind energy so we are really playing with fire here.

      Do you really think that I believe that she didn't want a particular
      outcome? Clearly, she wanted the boy to wake up, or she wouldn't
      have even become involved in the process of using the HU in this
      new manner in the first place. The fact that she got involved in this
      procedure was because she wanted the boy to wake up.

      And if you want more proof, would Harold Klemp have told the story
      about Heidi if the boy had died? The more than obvious answer
      is "No."

      So there is an unspoken message here for all members of Eckankar.
      You are now allowed to use the HU to influence others. What's next?
      Expect the following to come to an Eckankar Center near you. Ten
      Eckists arrive and they all are concerned about say a war in a
      particular country. People are being killed; it's terrible. So they
      decide to, as a group, chant/sing the HU. But beforehand, they
      all invite all of the participants in the war to sing the HU with them
      on the inner. Anybody but me see a problem with this?

      Lastly. A "nondirected prayer?" The whole purpose of prayer is for
      it to be directed. It is an active procedure, not a passive procedure.
      This whole new concept of Harold Klemps is just spin-doctoring the
      HU chant/sing in Eckankar into a new and very disturbing procedure.

      Medical doctors don't treat their own family members due to concerns
      that they will be biased when making decisions. In other words, the
      fact that they are treating someone that they care deeply about could
      adversely affect the objectivity of their decisions. But in the case
      of Eckankar and "HU, The Most Beautiful Prayer," they are going to
      trust little kids to be able to overcome that situation.

      Eckankar's new policy seems to be "Acquiring new members
      no matter what the cost to the original principals of Eckankar."

      And once again, Eckankar is borrowing a concept from Indian
      religions/culture. "Bhajan (BUDGE-in) is a Sanskrit word for
      a Hindu devotional song. The purpose of the song is to praise
      God (Ik onkaar), or honor God (Ik onkaar). On Jan 7, 2009, I spoke
      with a Hindu from North India. I specifically asked her "Is it considered
      to be a prayer too?" She said "Yes." But after talking to her, it was
      clear to me that the Hindu singing the bhajan or listening to the
      bhajan focuses on the words in the song; they are not having
      separate thoughts of their own. Basically, the words are saying
      things like "God, you are great."

      Prometheus, I know that you commented on this "HU, The Most
      Beautiful Prayer," but I wrote 95% of what I have here back at the
      very beginning of December, 2008, about two weeks before I left
      Eckankar. I don't think that you read any of the book, so I think you
      might be very interested in this story about Heidi.

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