Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Are We Masters?
- More than any other path Paul Twitchell
studied, I think this was the path where the
most similarities come from. The Path Of
Even if Paul Twitchell only "studied" with
Kirpal Singh for a couple years, apparently
he was studying that path for many, many,
more! [Judging by the number of info that
was shared in his writings.]
Whether knowing it or not, Eckists who
read Julian Johnson's: The Path Of The
Masters could find they studied parts of
that book even before they read it! They
could have studied it in Eckankar works.
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 2:13 pm
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Are We Masters?
Hello Mish and All,
I recall Twitchell using this Buddha quote
your friend commented on. BTW- She sounds
I don't think that Twit ever gave Buddha
credit for any of the quotes that he used
and neither does Klemp!
There was another quote that both Twit
and Klemp stole from Buddha that is listed
in "THE PATH of the MASTERS."
What's interesting is that ECKists took it
for their own and even made a song about
it, but never gave Buddha the credit. Klemp
evens plagiarizes it for his ECKankar LexiCON
on page 159.
HK: "Path of
the Trinity. Three questions to
ask oneself when in doubt about an action:
Is it true? Is it necessary? Is it kind?"
From "The Path of the Masters:"
"A rule laid down by the noble BUDDHA is
a most excellent one for all men to follow.
He said that if you propose to speak, always
ask yourself-- 'Is it true, is it necessary,
is it kind?'" [Eleventh Edition CH. 6 page 349]
Let me see if I can find more "ECKankar"
quotes from "The Path of the Masters."
"Spirituality cannot be taught but caught."
"No religion is to be condemned." [pg. 31]
"Religions have been fostered through feelings
and metaphysical speculations. But in every case,
the founders of such religions claim they got their
knowledge by sight and hearing, not by feeling.
Thus they speak from personal knowledge. Hence
the ever-recurring need for living Masters."
"The disciple in a human body must have a Master
in the human body." [pg. 74]
"The living Master, and he only, can fill the vessel
with the water of life." [pg. 76]
"It is a fixed law of Nature that only a humanly
embodied soul can act as a Guru for those who
are still in their physical bodies. After his death,
or departure from his body, the Guru will still
take care of all whom he h
as initiated; but he
cannot receive the instructions and the initiations
from an invisible Guru." [pg. 172]
"The Masters speak from personal experiences based
upon knowledge which was first handed down to them
by their own Masters and then proved by themselves.
Each fact, or experience, or hypothesis, is tested and
proved. After that it becomes their own knowledge
and then they can speak as one having authority."
"They take nothing on belief. They accept nothing
simply because it is written in a book. The book
only records the experiences of other men... With
the Master, only positive knowledge has final value."
"... the only law that the Master recognizes... the
universal law of all laws--love... He belongs to
no race or time, but to all nations and all times.
He is a citizen of the world." [pg. 204]
"The Master lives and teaches positive truth. He
overcomes evil with good. To correct faults in his
disciples, he simply points out the opposite virtues.
He teaches that to point out a fault is only to only
advertise and strengthen that fault. It never removes
the fault. It only accentuates it and at the same time
awakens other evil passions in both the fault-finder
and his victim. Nor does the Master ever hold ill-will
not even against his enemies." [pg. 206]
ME: Hmmmmm. Does Klemp ever point out the faults,
or finds fault in his chelas? All the time! This is being
Negative not Positive. The negative focus only accentuates
and strengthens these passions of the mind... including
"To understand a real Master fully, one must oneself
become a Master." [pg. 212]
"Suppose we agree that the Supreme Being is all love,
all wisdom and power, that he is omnipresent, all
pervading. The Master is exactly the same, except as
to his physical limitations. Spiritually he has no limitations."
"One of the oldest sayings of the Eastern Wisdom is:
'When the chela is ready, the Guru appears!'" [pg. 226]
"WHY SURRENDER TO A MASTER? ... The answer is that
complete surrender to the Master is the only avenue or
path to complete liberation." [pg. 239]
ME: Does anyone notice that this is exactly what ECKankar
teaches? Klemp is always regurgitating the same old dogma
as Radhasoami and Ruhani Satsang teaches because Twit
stole it from them!
"... any argument based upon logical premises is just as
likely to lead us astray as the dogmatic assertions of the
theologians. Just as one cynic has said--'there is no lie
like history;' so it may be said that there is nothing more
misleading than logic. God can never be made a reality
0any man by mere logic, by books, by feelings." [pg. 273]
"Ekankar means the 'One Oneness,' the body of oneness."
Note: In the "glossary of foreign terms" on pg. 559,
Ekankar is spelled "Ekonkar."
"The whole universe is considered as ONE, the true Ekankar."
"... there are lords and rulers appointed by the Supreme
One through his hierarchy of subordinates. The duty of
each of these is to carry out the will and purposes of the
Supreme. They are his executives, his viceroys, his duly
appointed governors... It is thus that the entire universe
of universes was created and organized, and is now
governed by the Grand Hierarchy... In this Grand Hierarchy,
the Great Masters occupy a unique position." [pgs. 300-301]
"... the way of the Masters is the Way of independent
development, of soul culture and of spiritual mastership.
It is the only right way, and it is the only possible way,
except that of the yogi, to go beyond the lowest sub-
planes of the subtle worlds. The yogis may go to the
pure Astral, but only the Saints, the Masters, go to the
higher regions of pure spirit." [pg. 433]
ME: Well there's more of course! There's mention of
the Third Eye, (Tisra Til, the Tenth Door) as being
an Astral chakra, and a means of meeting the Master
in his Radiant Body,
on the Astral Plane, and then going
to "higher" planes from there.
No, we are not but we are responsible beings
who are learning as much as we can for the time
we have in this life.
A couple years back I was in a discussion with
a very close friend on a private site. I threw out
a quote attributed to Buddha:
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it,
or who said it - even if I have said it -unless it
agrees with your own reason and your own common
sense." - The Buddha
My friend who was never a member of eckankar
or any religious or spiritual group--she claimed
to be more of a pagan--responded to the quote
this way, she wrote:
"I think this is one of my favorite quotes of the
Buddha. It pretty much says it all. No matter what
religious persuasion (or non-persuasion?) you
may be......if it doesn't agree with your own reason
and common sense, you've got to question it. And
it goes beyond religion......it cuts to the very core
of who we are. We're so often led astray. We want
so badly to believe in something or someone, that
we let our own sense of reason take a back seat.
If we're only patient enough with ourselves, (and
give ourselves enough credit) to listen to our inner
voice we can=2
0see through to the truth. It sounds so
simple, but in reality can be much more difficult.
Especially giving "ourselves" credit."
****end of my friend's remarks.
She really struck to the essence of our responsibility
which in a sense speaks of mastership in that we need
to be in tune with and recognize our "inner voice." This
is nothing to be boastful or arrogant about--that is
why I guess I don't like to use the word master. However,
we work to master and improve our awareness. It doesn't
mean that we are ever done doing this--and that is
why I say we are not masters--perhaps, we are more
students, students of ourselves because we are always
learning and growing until we die. My friend passed away
this last weekend, but it seems she went a long way toward
learning all she could about life. She used her thinking
skills instead of allowing others to pretend to do that for
her! Eckankar and such cults were not a draw for her!!