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  • prometheus_973
    This is Part 2 where Klemp brings Rebazar and Twit into the fable. He left off with, No fool is wise. HK: So, then, what is the path of wisdom, the highest
    Message 1 of 4 , Jan 3, 2009
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      This is Part 2 where Klemp brings
      Rebazar and Twit into the fable.
      He left off with, "No fool is wise."

      HK: "So, then, what is the path of
      wisdom, the highest and best way
      to conduct our living?"

      ME: Is this where Klemp, once again,
      preaches to the EK choir?

      HK: "Consider the example of the
      ECK Masters. Their life's mission is
      to bring all who are spiritually ready
      into the presence of the Mahanta, the
      LEM. That is their calling. That is what
      they do. What better role models could
      a high-minded seeker ever hope to
      find?"

      ME: Wasn't Darwin one of these ECK
      Master role models for, at least, 10 years!
      And, let's not leave out the biggest liar
      and con/god man of the three M/LEMs...
      Twitchell! Besides, these INVISIBLE, as well
      as "Unknown" EK Masters are imaginary
      and are pretend characters... like in a fable!
      Klemp can't see it but those "high-minded
      seekers," who join, eventually, become
      the "high-minded" ECK Leaders that
      became Egocentric Elephants and Rhinos
      that are running amuck and creating chaos!
      Perhaps, some are actually expressing their
      independence as SOUL.

      BTW-Klemp states that his "life's mission
      is to bring all who are spiritually ready into
      the presence of the Mahanta," When does
      he let them go? When do they graduate?
      When is Spiritual Freedom and Self-Mastery
      achieved? Shouldn't it take, these so-called
      Highly Advanced EK Souls, less than a lifetime?

      HK: "The Master will then do everything
      possible to deliver the seeker into the heart
      of SUGMAD. That was also the mission of
      Rebazar Tarzs during his own tenure as the
      foremost leader of the ECK community, years
      and years ago, as that age's M/LEM."

      ME: Okay, once the chela is delivered to
      SUGMAD when does the chela become
      free of the M/LEM? The "Mission" has been
      accomplished! Also, since R.T. stepped in
      for Twit, for 35 days, those who came into
      ECKankar during that time are Rebazar's
      chelas! It wasn't in another "age."

      HK: "As the Master, he instructed a willing
      chela, Peddar Zaskq, in the practices and
      understandings needed to walk the path
      to God with love and wisdom."

      ME: Haven't most H.I.s, by now, developed
      the "Practices and Understandings NEEDED
      to Walk the Path to God [on their own] with
      Love and Wisdom!" Or, are these just more
      empty words by H.K. proving that ECKankar,
      the M/LEM, and the ECK Masters are merely
      shams invented by Twitchell!

      HK: "Peddar's instruction took in the
      Spiritual Exercises of ECK and how to
      do them. Furthermore, Rebazar also
      told him what his experiences in the
      Light and Sound of God signified and
      the ways to ride the celestial Sound
      Current. Nor was that instruction the
      whole of it. Not by any means. Rebazar
      also told Peddar how to conduct himself
      in regard to the many attitudes lurking
      within him."

      ME: What did the fact about Klemp working
      in and meeting with Darwin in a Sound
      Proof Dark Room, at the ESC, signify?
      BTW- Did the mythical Rebazar also
      instruct Peddar (Twitchell) to plagiarize
      and lie?

      HK: "He showed him how to be free of
      grief, to live in oneness with others,
      and to find deep and satisfying peace
      and love."

      ME: Why don't ECKists just by-pass old
      wishy-washy Klemp and adopt the timeless
      500 year old Rebazar (the Torchbearer
      of ECKankar) as their Spiritual Leader!

      HK: "It was in this way that Peddar gained
      wisdom. His unfoldment went from that of
      a neophyte in ECK to the Mastership itself.
      Yes, he and all ECK Masters stand as models
      [to emulate via the imagination, pretend "as if"].

      Practice, then, the Spiritual Exercises of
      ECK. Avail yourself of the Talks and Writings
      of ECKankar like the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad,
      Stranger by the River, and ever so many
      more titles. Be the sage, not a fool. Walk
      the path of ECK wisely." [end of article]

      ME: Why is it that Klemp No Longer Offers
      the "ECK-Vidya?" Thus, Klemp is being
      deceptive when he says, "and ever so many
      more titles" (by Twitchell).

      Also, isn't it strange that Klemp is referring
      ECKists to books that were written by
      the first ECK Master (P.T.) around 1970!

      Why hasn't Klemp (the greatest Mahanta ever)
      written a Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Book 3 and 4?
      Why hasn't HK written poetry to rival Rumi
      (who wasn't even an ECK Master)?

      Thus, Rebazar gave ECKists the "Spiritual
      Exercises" while Twitchell gave them the
      Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Books 1&2, as well as,
      Strange by the River (with Rebazar's help
      of course)! So, why should ECKists continue
      looking to Klemp? I don't get it!

      Prometheus

      *************************************
      In ECKankar, Degrees of Wisdom and
      Degrees of Initiation are related to
      one another. In this Members Only
      pub Klemp is speaking to ALL of his
      Initiates.

      Thus, HK is intentionally contradicting
      the ECK teachings and is feeding his
      gullible followers bullshit! According
      to the ECK teachings, concerning the
      powers and abilities of the Mahanta,
      the vain and narcissistic H.I.s, who
      still have those huge Elephant sized
      egos, as well as, those with thick Rhino
      like skins cannot, also, have those Higher
      initiations or be promoted! And yet,
      these chelas are whom Klemp is talking
      about! However, they have been promoted
      and maintain positions of power and
      authority with the Mahanta's blessings!

      Klemp, once again, tries to have it both
      ways. If ECKists have Higher Degrees of
      Wisdom they should, also, have Higher
      Initiations UNLESS they have fallen, like
      Darwin, or there was a mistake made in
      giving them their Higher Initiations! Does
      Klemp's printed words correct this defect?
      Of course Not! But, such things happen
      when religions are based upon lies and
      myth.

      [PART 1]

      Hello All,
      Klemp now gives another lecture where
      he is once again preaching about using
      "discrimination," although, "results may
      vary," and that the M/LEM "has to come:
      to help you achieve it."

      ***************************************
      THE WISDOM NOTES by Harold Klemp
      December 2008 [PART 1]

      "Dear Ones,
      Degrees of wisdom vary. Wisdom comes
      in different measures, like a pinch of salt
      to the highest degree possible.

      The manifestation of wisdom may be likened
      to a light in a lantern with shutters that
      allow only a portion of the light to escape.

      A given state of consciousness determines
      the amount of wisdom shown.

      One factor in determining the amount
      of wisdom an individual displays is vanity.

      The ego in a vain person stretches his
      importance to an extravagant degree,
      which others note with caution. Why the
      caution?

      They may well hesitate to rely upon his
      judgment in serious matters. So, he must
      exceed their expectations. They want to
      be sure his discrimination is sound before
      committing to his direction. How much
      wisdom has he?"

      *****************************************
      *NOTE: Klemp now tells another "FABLE"
      by the same person mentioned in his
      front page article: "Problems and Their
      Resolutions."

      Fable: 1.) A short tale used to teach
      a moral, often with animals as characters.
      2.) A story not founded on fact.
      3.) A legend or myth.
      4.) A lie; falsehood.

      ******************************************

      HK: "Jean de La Fontaine, the seventeenth-
      century poet, tells a fable that demonstrates
      the peculiar judgment of one such character.

      An elephant and a rhinoceros once had
      a quarrel. They each had a different opinion
      about the boundaries of their domains and
      were determined to do battle over the issue,
      both willing to pit their might against the other's
      brawn. Thus would the two settle the matter."


      ME: It seems like there is still in-fighting going
      on within the ESC/RESA Hierarchy. Apparently
      Klemp, the ESC, as well as, the ECK Satsang
      Societies and the RESAs are incapable of controlling
      the negative behaviors of local Officers, Directors,
      Vahanas, and Coordinators. However, the territory
      ("boundary") disputes are created, mostly, via
      the focus upon Position and Rank (Initiation level),
      which feeds and inflates the Ego. It's really not a
      surprise that this is still a problem even after the
      H.I./L.I. Leadership Books/Workbooks, and Leadership
      classes. These are, supposedly, the "highly evolved"
      ECK Leaders Klemp is referring to! Chelas can't
      receive "Inner" guidance because Klemp is a fraud!
      Thus, HK needs to use lower means, verbal and
      written words, in order to communicate his wishes.

      I wonder, Who are the H.I. "Elephants" and Who
      are the "Rhinoceroses?" Do they, also, look like
      these animals? Klemp is implying that they are
      behaving like these lower consciousness animals!
      But, Why is Klemp, being indirect and ambiguous
      as to How, Who, and What he Specifically Wants
      done? Instead, Klemp is being obtuse and wishy-
      washy, once again, by using a "fable!" No wonder
      ECKists are confused, and that there are still problems
      within the EK org (after 27 years) under Klemp's rule!



      HK: "As fortune would have it, just then someone
      ran up to announce the imminent arrival of the
      god Jupiter's monkey, magic scepter in hand."

      **********************************************
      *[It should be noted that HK states in the EK
      Lexicon (page 105) that JUPITER was: "THE
      MAHANTA CONSCIOUSNESS." It seems
      the "monkey," now, represents either an ECK
      Master or, at the very least, a RESA! BTW- Is
      that a White or a Black "magic scepter" (sword)
      that Klemp's flunky/"Monkey" is holding?]
      ***********************************************

      HK: "The Elephant IMAGINED that Jupiter's
      messenger had come to enjoy the contest
      between him and the Rhino, so he prepared
      to welcome the ambassador into his own
      majestic presence. But the monkey was
      slow in coming to pay his respects."

      ME: WOW! Can it be any clearer than this!

      HK: "Finally, he arrived. The Elephant was
      truly puzzled, however, when the Monkey
      sat completely silent after giving a causal
      salute. So the Elephant said, `I would say
      that JUPITER and all of his court are soon to
      enjoy a tremendous battle!' `What battle?'
      asked the Monkey with a sober face. `Why,'
      sputtered the Elephant in bewilderment,
      `the grand fight between me and the Rhino.
      Surely, you've heard of the Rhino's challenge
      to my pride? My honor must see revenge.'


      ME: It is true, HK, and his Elephants and Rhinos
      [ECK Leaders] have Big Egos and seek revenge
      upon others.


      HK: "The Monkey, barely able to stifle a yawn,
      regarded the other with curiosity. After a long
      pause, Jupiter's ambassador said, `To be
      frank, in the vast celestial palaces such
      trifles are seldom spoken of at all.'


      ME: Is Klemp blind, arrogant, or stupid?
      This is Why there is a problem in the first
      place and Why Klemp is using this fable
      to speak about it. Yet, Jupiter (the Mahanta)
      and the Monkey (the RESAs) sit in their ivory
      "palaces" oblivious to any problems until it's
      too late and, thus, necessary to use an entire
      Wisdom Note to speak about it in order to
      SHAME ECK Leaders into cleaning up their
      "acts." Klemp expects and demands submission
      to his Will versus Soul having Its own Free Will.

      HK: "The Shamed Elephant, in a subdued
      tone, asked, `Then what is your business
      here in the land of Elephants?' The Monkey
      fingered his Scepter and replied, `Why, I've
      come to divide and distribute a blade of grass
      among some ants.' The gods shower care upon
      all creatures, great and small."

      ME: So, the Monkey (RESA) came to divide
      a blade of grass (Vahana Tips, or excerpts,
      from the RESA Star?) among some ants
      (chelas). That's so special!

      HK: `As to your affair, that's not yet been
      discussed in the heavens above.' "A person
      with an Elephantine Ego is only a Fool. Of
      course, No Fool is Wise."

      ME: Apparently something is being "discussed"
      now! Klemp must be looking into the mirror
      often, and is, thus, speaking of his own Huge
      EGO. HK is a Fool! Anyone who has to say that,
      "No Fool is Wise" must think that he is "Wise"
      and, therefore, cannot be a "Fool."

      [end of Part 1]

      Prometheus
    • prometheus_973
      Hello All, This is another look at the Wisdom Notes. Klemp is giving another lecture where he is once again preaching about using discrimination, although,
      Message 2 of 4 , Jan 6, 2009
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        Hello All,
        This is another look at the Wisdom Notes.
        Klemp is giving another lecture where
        he is once again preaching about using
        "discrimination," although, "results may
        vary." The Catch-22 is that the M/LEM
        "has to come: to help you achieve it,"
        but when does he ever let them go?
        Not in this lifetime!

        ***************************************

        THE WISDOM NOTES by Harold Klemp
        December 2008:

        "Dear Ones,
        Degrees of wisdom vary. Wisdom comes
        in different measures, like a pinch of salt
        to the highest degree possible.

        The manifestation of wisdom may be likened
        to a light in a lantern with shutters that
        allow only a portion of the light to escape.

        A given state of consciousness determines
        the amount of wisdom shown.

        One factor in determining the amount
        of wisdom an individual displays is vanity.

        The ego in a vain person stretches his
        importance to an extravagant degree,
        which others note with caution. Why the
        caution?

        They may well hesitate to rely upon his
        judgment in serious matters. So, he must
        exceed their expectations. They want to
        be sure his discrimination is sound before
        committing to his direction. How much
        wisdom has he?"

        *****************************************
        *NOTE: Klemp now tells another "FABLE"
        by the same person mentioned in his
        front page article: "Problems and Their
        Resolutions."

        Fable: 1.) A short tale used to teach
        a moral, often with animals as characters.
        2.) A story not founded on fact.
        3.) A legend or myth.
        4.) A lie; falsehood.
        ******************************************

        HK: "Jean de La Fontaine, the seventeenth-
        century poet, tells a fable that demonstrates
        the peculiar judgment of one such character.

        An elephant and a rhinoceros once had
        a quarrel. They each had a different opinion
        about the boundaries of their domains and
        were determined to do battle over the issue,
        both willing to pit their might against the other's
        brawn. Thus would the two settle the matter."


        *ME: It seems like there is still in-fighting going
        on within the ESC/RESA Hierarchy. Apparently
        Klemp, the ESC, as well as, the ECK Satsang
        Societies and the RESAs are incapable of controlling
        the negative behaviors of local Officers, Directors,
        Vahanas, and Coordinators. However, the territory
        ("boundary") disputes are created, mostly, via
        the focus upon Position and Rank (Initiation level),
        which feeds and inflates the Ego. It's really not a
        surprise that this is still a problem even after the
        H.I./L.I. Leadership Books/Workbooks, and Leadership
        classes. These are, supposedly, the "highly evolved"
        ECK Leaders Klemp is referring to! Chelas can't
        receive "Inner" guidance because Klemp is a fraud!
        Thus, HK needs to use lower means, verbal and
        written words, in order to communicate his wishes.

        I wonder, Who are the H.I. "Elephants" and Who
        are the "Rhinoceroses?" Do they, also, look like
        these animals? Klemp is implying that they are
        behaving like these lower consciousness animals!
        But, Why is Klemp, being indirect and ambiguous
        as to How, Who, and What he Specifically Wants
        done? Instead, Klemp is being obtuse and wishy-
        washy, once again, by using a "fable!" No wonder
        ECKists are confused, and that there are still problems
        within the EK org (after 27 years) under Klemp's rule!



        HK: "As fortune would have it, just then someone
        ran up to announce the imminent arrival of the
        god Jupiter's monkey, magic scepter in hand."

        **********************************************
        *[It should be noted that HK states in the EK
        Lexicon (page 105) that JUPITER was: "THE
        MAHANTA CONSCIOUSNESS." It seems
        the "monkey," now, represents either an ECK
        Master or, at the very least, a RESA! BTW- Is
        that a White or a Black "magic scepter" (sword)
        that Klemp's flunky/"Monkey" is holding?]
        ***********************************************

        HK: "The Elephant IMAGINED that Jupiter's
        messenger had come to enjoy the contest
        between him and the Rhino, so he prepared
        to welcome the ambassador into his own
        majestic presence. But the monkey was
        slow in coming to pay his respects."

        *ME: WOW! Can it be any clearer than this!

        HK: "Finally, he arrived. The Elephant was
        truly PUZZLED, however, when the Monkey
        sat completely silent after giving a causal
        salute. So the Elephant said, `I would say
        that JUPITER and all of his court are soon to
        enjoy a tremendous battle!' `What battle?'
        asked the Monkey with a sober face. `Why,'
        sputtered the Elephant in bewilderment,
        `the grand fight between me and the Rhino.
        Surely, you've heard of the Rhino's challenge
        to my pride? My honor must see revenge.'


        *ME: It is true, HK, and his Elephants and Rhinos
        [ECK Leaders] have Big Egos and seek revenge
        upon others. Klemp, himself, holds onto grudges.

        BTW- I thought of Joan when I read that "the
        Elephant was Truly Puzzled" because of that
        "puzzled look" JK gave that Third temporary
        Postal clerk who wanted to see her I.D. before
        wasting his time to look for a package for
        someone that might Not have their I.D. with
        them. The clerk was just following the (EK) Law
        of Economy! It's strange to think that Klemp
        thought it was okay to negatively chastise the
        clerk for following the Law (both man's and
        God's)! HK mentioned and spun this incident
        in the 09/2003 H.I. Letter. Poor, 9th Initiate,
        Joan!


        HK: "The Monkey, barely able to stifle a yawn,
        regarded the other with curiosity. After a long
        pause, Jupiter's ambassador said, `To be
        frank, in the vast celestial palaces such
        trifles are seldom spoken of at all.'


        *ME: Is Klemp blind, arrogant, or stupid?
        This is Why there is a problem in the first
        place and Why Klemp is using this fable
        to speak about it. Yet, JUPITER (the Mahanta)
        and the Monkey (the RESAs) sit in their ivory
        "palaces" oblivious to any problems until it's
        too late and, thus, it is now necessary to use
        an entire Wisdom Note to speak about this
        problem in order to SHAME ECK Leaders into
        cleaning up their "acts." Klemp expects, and
        demands, submission to his Will versus Soul
        having Its own Free Will.

        HK: "The SHAMED Elephant, in a subdued
        tone, asked, `Then what is your business
        here in the land of Elephants?' The Monkey
        fingered his Scepter and replied, `Why, I've
        come to divide and distribute a blade of grass
        among some ants.' The gods shower care upon
        all creatures, great and small."

        *ME: So, the Monkey (RESA) came to divide
        a blade of grass (Vahana Tips, or excerpts,
        from the RESA Star?) among some ants
        (chelas). That's so special!

        HK: `As to your affair, that's not yet been
        discussed in the heavens above.' "A person
        with an Elephantine Ego is only a Fool. Of
        course, No Fool is Wise."

        *ME: Apparently something is being "discussed"
        now! Klemp must be looking into the mirror
        often, and is, thus, speaking of his own Huge
        EGO. HK is a Fool! Anyone who has to say that,
        "No Fool is Wise" must think that he is "Wise"
        and, therefore, cannot be a "Fool."


        [Next, Klemp brings Rebazar
        and Twitch into the fable.]


        HK: "So, then, what is the path of
        wisdom, the highest and best way
        to conduct our living?"

        *ME: Is this where Klemp, once again,
        preaches to the (EK) choir?

        HK: "Consider the example of the
        ECK Masters. Their life's mission is
        to bring all who are spiritually ready
        into the presence of the Mahanta, the
        LEM. That is their calling. That is what
        they do. What better role models could
        a high-minded seeker ever hope to
        find?"

        *ME: Wasn't Darwin one of these ECK
        Master "role models" for, at least, 10 years!
        And, let's not leave out the biggest liar
        and con/god man of the three M/LEMs...
        Twitchell! Besides, these INVISIBLE, as well
        as "Unknown" EK Masters are imaginary
        and are pretend characters... like in a fable!
        Klemp can't see it but those "high-minded
        seekers," who join, eventually, become
        the "high-minded" ECK Leaders that
        became hugely Egotistical Elephants and
        Rhinos that are running amuck and creating
        chaos! Or, perhaps, some of these ECK Leaders
        are merely expressing their independence
        as SOUL.

        BTW-Klemp states that his "life's mission
        is to bring all who are spiritually ready into
        the presence of the Mahanta," When does
        he let them go? When do they graduate?
        When is Spiritual Freedom and Self-Mastery
        achieved? Shouldn't it take, these so-called
        Highly Advanced EK Souls, LESS TIME versus
        a Lifetime?


        HK: "The Master will then do everything
        possible to deliver the seeker into the heart
        of SUGMAD. That was also the mission of
        Rebazar Tarzs during his own tenure as the
        foremost leader of the ECK community, years
        and years ago, as that age's M/LEM."

        *ME: Okay, once the chela is delivered to
        SUGMAD when does the chela become
        free of the M/LEM? The Mahanta's or at least
        the LEM's "Mission" has been accomplished!
        Also, since R.T. stepped in for Twit, for 35
        days, those who came into ECKankar during
        that time are Rebazar's chelas! It wasn't in
        another "age."

        HK: "As the Master, he instructed a willing
        chela, Peddar Zaskq, in the practices and
        understandings needed to walk the path
        to God with love and wisdom."

        *ME: Haven't most H.I.s, by now, developed
        the "Practices and Understandings NEEDED
        to Walk the Path to God [on their own] with
        Love and Wisdom!" Or, are these just more
        empty words by H.K. proving that ECKankar,
        the M/LEM, and the ECK Masters are merely
        shams invented by Twitchell!

        HK: "Peddar's instruction took in the
        Spiritual Exercises of ECK and how to
        do them. Furthermore, Rebazar also
        told him what his experiences in the
        Light and Sound of God signified and
        the ways to ride the celestial Sound
        Current. Nor was that instruction the
        whole of it. Not by any means. Rebazar
        also told Peddar how to conduct himself
        in regard to the many attitudes lurking
        within him."

        *ME: What did it "signify" when Klemp
        admitted that he worked (daily) in, and
        met with Darwin, in a Sound Proof Dark
        Room at the ESC? It "signifies" that the
        ECK (the Sound & Light) was absent in
        Klemp's life, and those plans they both
        made to transfer the Rod of ECK Power
        to Klemp were done so Without the ECK!
        Look at Ch. 7 of "Soul Travelers of the Far
        Country." Why isn't this book offered
        anymore? When Klemp did his "Autobiography"
        he edited out the fact that this room was,
        also, Sound Proof! This is why HK doesn't
        offer the other book any longer. It's another
        cover-up of sorts! Klemp was tying up loose
        ends because he revealed too many details
        in Ch. 7 of "Soul Travelers of the Far Country."

        HK: "He showed him how to be free of
        grief, to live in oneness with others,
        and to find deep and satisfying peace
        and love."

        *ME: Why don't ECKists just by-pass old
        wishy-washy Klemp and adopt the timeless
        500 year old Rebazar (the Torchbearer
        of ECKankar) as their Spiritual Leader!

        HK: "It was in this way that Peddar gained
        wisdom. His unfoldment went from that of
        a neophyte in ECK to the Mastership itself.
        Yes, he and all ECK Masters stand as models."

        *ME: Yes, ECKists are to emulate 14th Initiate
        Klemp via their imaginations, and to pretend
        "as if" they, too, are "Higher." BUT, why would
        ECKists want to have tired old looking simple-
        minded Klemp as a role "model" versus 500
        year old Rebazar and other, timeless, ECK Masters
        as role models?

        HK: Practice, then, the Spiritual Exercises
        of ECK. Avail yourself of the Talks and Writings
        of ECKankar like the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad,
        Stranger by the River, and ever so many
        more titles. Be the sage, not a fool. Walk
        the path of ECK wisely." [END]


        *ME: Why is it that Klemp No Longer Offers
        the "ECK-Vidya," or "Difficulties Of Becoming
        The Living ECK Master?" Thus, Klemp is being
        deceptive when he says, "and ever so many
        more titles" (by Twitchell). "Difficulties" is a
        historical ECKankar book! That story about
        the "Moon Virus" is one of my favorites!

        Also, isn't it strange that Klemp is referring
        ECKists to books that were written by
        the first ECK Master (P.T.) around 1970!

        Why hasn't Klemp (the greatest Mahanta ever)
        written a Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Books 3 and 4?
        Why hasn't HK written poetry to rival RUMI
        who wasn't even an ECK Master?

        Thus, according to Klemp, Rebazar gave
        ECKists the "Spiritual Exercises" while
        Twitchell gave them the "Shariyat-Ki-
        Sugmad Books 1&2," as well as, "Stranger
        by the River" (with Rebazar's help of
        course)! So, why should ECKists continue
        looking to Klemp? I don't get it!

        In ECKankar, Degrees of Wisdom and
        Degrees of Initiation are related to
        one another. In this Members Only
        pub (The Mystic World) Klemp is speaking
        to ALL of his Initiates.

        Thus, HK is intentionally contradicting
        the ECK teachings and is feeding his
        gullible, immature, and impressionable
        followers bullshit!

        According to the ECK teachings, concerning
        the powers and abilities of the Mahanta,
        the vain and narcissistic H.I.s, who
        still have those Huge Elephant Sized
        Egos, as well as, those with Thick Rhino
        like skins cannot, also, have those Higher
        initiations, or be promoted! And yet,
        these chelas are whom Klemp is talking
        about! Thus, they have been promoted
        and maintain Positions and Initiations
        of power and authority with the Mahanta's
        Knowledge and Blessings!

        However, Klemp, once again, tries to have
        it both ways. If ECKists have Higher Degrees
        of Wisdom they should, also, have Higher
        Initiations UNLESS they have fallen, like
        Darwin, or there was a mistake made in
        giving them their Higher Initiations! Does
        Klemp's printed words correct this defect?
        Of course Not! But, such things happen
        when religions are based upon lies and
        myth. Klemp has to write articles because
        the "Inner" communication is imaginary!

        Prometheus
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