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  • prometheus_973
    Hello All, Klemp now gives another lecture where he is once again preaching about using discrimination, although, results may vary, and that the M/LEM has
    Message 1 of 4 , Jan 1, 2009
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      Hello All,
      Klemp now gives another lecture where
      he is once again preaching about using
      "discrimination," although, "results may
      vary," and that the M/LEM "has to come:
      to help you achieve it."

      ***************************************
      THE WISDOM NOTES by Harold Klemp
      December 2008 [PART 1]

      "Dear Ones,
      Degrees of wisdom vary. Wisdom comes
      in different measures, like a pinch of salt
      to the highest degree possible.

      The manifestation of wisdom may be likened
      to a light in a lantern with shutters that
      allow only a portion of the light to escape.

      A given state of consciousness determines
      the amount of wisdom shown.

      One factor in determining the amount
      of wisdom an individual displays is vanity.

      The ego in a vain person stretches his
      importance to an extravagant degree,
      which others note with caution. Why the
      caution?

      They may well hesitate to rely upon his
      judgment in serious matters. So, he must
      exceed their expectations. They want to
      be sure his discrimination is sound before
      committing to his direction. How much
      wisdom has he?"

      *****************************************
      *NOTE: Klemp now tells another "FABLE"
      by the same person mentioned in his
      front page article: "Problems and Their
      Resolutions."

      Fable: 1.) A short tale used to teach
      a moral, often with animals as characters.
      2.) A story not founded on fact.
      3.) A legend or myth.
      4.) A lie; falsehood.

      ******************************************

      HK: "Jean de La Fontaine, the seventeenth-
      century poet, tells a fable that demonstrates
      the peculiar judgment of one such character.

      An elephant and a rhinoceros once had
      a quarrel. They each had a different opinion
      about the boundaries of their domains and
      were determined to do battle over the issue,
      both willing to pit their might against the other's
      brawn. Thus would the two settle the matter."


      ME: It seems like there is still in-fighting going
      on within the ESC/RESA Hierarchy. Apparently
      Klemp, the ESC, as well as, the ECK Satsang
      Societies and the RESAs are incapable of controlling
      the negative behaviors of local Officers, Directors,
      Vahanas, and Coordinators. However, the territory
      ("boundary") disputes are created, mostly, via
      the focus upon Position and Rank (Initiation level),
      which feeds and inflates the Ego. It's really not a
      surprise that this is still a problem even after the
      H.I./L.I. Leadership Books/Workbooks, and Leadership
      classes. These are, supposedly, the "highly evolved"
      ECK Leaders Klemp is referring to! Chelas can't
      receive "Inner" guidance because Klemp is a fraud!
      Thus, HK needs to use lower means, verbal and
      written words, in order to communicate his wishes.

      I wonder, Who are the H.I. "Elephants" and Who
      are the "Rhinoceroses?" Do they, also, look like
      these animals? Klemp is implying that they are
      behaving like these lower consciousness animals!
      But, Why is Klemp, being indirect and ambiguous
      as to How, Who, and What he Specifically Wants
      done? Instead, Klemp is being obtuse and wishy-
      washy, once again, by using a "fable!" No wonder
      ECKists are confused, and that there are still problems
      within the EK org (after 27 years) under Klemp's rule!



      HK: "As fortune would have it, just then someone
      ran up to announce the imminent arrival of the
      god Jupiter's monkey, magic scepter in hand."

      **********************************************
      *[It should be noted that HK states in the EK
      Lexicon (page 105) that JUPITER was: "THE
      MAHANTA CONSCIOUSNESS." It seems
      the "monkey," now, represents either an ECK
      Master or, at the very least, a RESA! BTW- Is
      that a White or a Black "magic scepter" (sword)
      that Klemp's flunky/"Monkey" is holding?]
      ***********************************************

      HK: "The Elephant IMAGINED that Jupiter's
      messenger had come to enjoy the contest
      between him and the Rhino, so he prepared
      to welcome the ambassador into his own
      majestic presence. But the monkey was
      slow in coming to pay his respects."

      ME: WOW! Can it be any clearer than this!

      HK: "Finally, he arrived. The Elephant was
      truly puzzled, however, when the Monkey
      sat completely silent after giving a causal
      salute. So the Elephant said, `I would say
      that JUPITER and all of his court are soon to
      enjoy a tremendous battle!' `What battle?'
      asked the Monkey with a sober face. `Why,'
      sputtered the Elephant in bewilderment,
      `the grand fight between me and the Rhino.
      Surely, you've heard of the Rhino's challenge
      to my pride? My honor must see revenge.'


      ME: It is true, HK, and his Elephants and Rhinos
      [ECK Leaders] have Big Egos and seek revenge
      upon others.


      HK: "The Monkey, barely able to stifle a yawn,
      regarded the other with curiosity. After a long
      pause, Jupiter's ambassador said, `To be
      frank, in the vast celestial palaces such
      trifles are seldom spoken of at all.'


      ME: Is Klemp blind, arrogant, or stupid?
      This is Why there is a problem in the first
      place and Why Klemp is using this fable
      to speak about it. Yet, Jupiter (the Mahanta)
      and the Monkey (the RESAs) sit in their ivory
      "palaces" oblivious to any problems until it's
      too late and, thus, necessary to use an entire
      Wisdom Note to speak about it in order to
      SHAME ECK Leaders into cleaning up their
      "acts." Klemp expects and demands submission
      to his Will versus Soul having Its own Free Will.

      HK: "The Shamed Elephant, in a subdued
      tone, asked, `Then what is your business
      here in the land of Elephants?' The Monkey
      fingered his Scepter and replied, `Why, I've
      come to divide and distribute a blade of grass
      among some ants.' The gods shower care upon
      all creatures, great and small."

      ME: So, the Monkey (RESA) came to divide
      a blade of grass (Vahana Tips, or excerpts,
      from the RESA Star?) among some ants
      (chelas). That's so special!

      HK: `As to your affair, that's not yet been
      discussed in the heavens above.' "A person
      with an Elephantine Ego is only a Fool. Of
      course, No Fool is Wise."

      ME: Apparently something is being discussed
      now! Klemp must be looking into the mirror
      often, and is, thus, speaking of his own Huge
      EGO. HK is a Fool! Anyone who has to say that,
      "No Fool is Wise" must think that he is "Wise"
      and, therefore, cannot be a "Fool." However,
      in Klemp's case he's got it reversed, thus,
      "No Fool is Wise." [end of Part 1]

      Prometheus
    • prometheus_973
      In ECKankar, Degrees of Wisdom and Degrees of Initiation are related to one another. In this Members Only pub Klemp is speaking to ALL of his Initiates. Thus,
      Message 2 of 4 , Jan 2, 2009
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        In ECKankar, Degrees of Wisdom and
        Degrees of Initiation are related to
        one another. In this Members Only
        pub Klemp is speaking to ALL of his
        Initiates.

        Thus, HK is intentionally contradicting
        the ECK teachings and is feeding his
        gullible followers bullshit! According
        to the ECK teachings, concerning the
        powers and abilities of the Mahanta,
        the vain and narcissistic H.I.s, who
        still have those huge Elephant sized
        egos, as well as, those with thick Rhino
        like skins cannot, also, have those Higher
        initiations or be promoted! And yet,
        these chelas are whom Klemp is talking
        about! However, they have been promoted
        and maintain positions of power and
        authority with the Mahanta's blessings!

        Klemp, once again, tries to have it both
        ways. If ECKists have Higher Degrees of
        Wisdom they should, also, have Higher
        Initiations UNLESS they have fallen, like
        Darwin, or there was a mistake made in
        giving them their Higher Initiations! Does
        Klemp's printed words correct this defect?
        Of course Not! But, such things happen
        when religions are based upon lies and
        myth.



        Hello All,
        Klemp now gives another lecture where
        he is once again preaching about using
        "discrimination," although, "results may
        vary," and that the M/LEM "has to come:
        to help you achieve it."

        ***************************************
        THE WISDOM NOTES by Harold Klemp
        December 2008 [PART 1]

        "Dear Ones,
        Degrees of wisdom vary. Wisdom comes
        in different measures, like a pinch of salt
        to the highest degree possible.

        The manifestation of wisdom may be likened
        to a light in a lantern with shutters that
        allow only a portion of the light to escape.

        A given state of consciousness determines
        the amount of wisdom shown.

        One factor in determining the amount
        of wisdom an individual displays is vanity.

        The ego in a vain person stretches his
        importance to an extravagant degree,
        which others note with caution. Why the
        caution?

        They may well hesitate to rely upon his
        judgment in serious matters. So, he must
        exceed their expectations. They want to
        be sure his discrimination is sound before
        committing to his direction. How much
        wisdom has he?"

        *****************************************
        *NOTE: Klemp now tells another "FABLE"
        by the same person mentioned in his
        front page article: "Problems and Their
        Resolutions."

        Fable: 1.) A short tale used to teach
        a moral, often with animals as characters.
        2.) A story not founded on fact.
        3.) A legend or myth.
        4.) A lie; falsehood.

        ******************************************

        HK: "Jean de La Fontaine, the seventeenth-
        century poet, tells a fable that demonstrates
        the peculiar judgment of one such character.

        An elephant and a rhinoceros once had
        a quarrel. They each had a different opinion
        about the boundaries of their domains and
        were determined to do battle over the issue,
        both willing to pit their might against the other's
        brawn. Thus would the two settle the matter."


        ME: It seems like there is still in-fighting going
        on within the ESC/RESA Hierarchy. Apparently
        Klemp, the ESC, as well as, the ECK Satsang
        Societies and the RESAs are incapable of controlling
        the negative behaviors of local Officers, Directors,
        Vahanas, and Coordinators. However, the territory
        ("boundary") disputes are created, mostly, via
        the focus upon Position and Rank (Initiation level),
        which feeds and inflates the Ego. It's really not a
        surprise that this is still a problem even after the
        H.I./L.I. Leadership Books/Workbooks, and Leadership
        classes. These are, supposedly, the "highly evolved"
        ECK Leaders Klemp is referring to! Chelas can't
        receive "Inner" guidance because Klemp is a fraud!
        Thus, HK needs to use lower means, verbal and
        written words, in order to communicate his wishes.

        I wonder, Who are the H.I. "Elephants" and Who
        are the "Rhinoceroses?" Do they, also, look like
        these animals? Klemp is implying that they are
        behaving like these lower consciousness animals!
        But, Why is Klemp, being indirect and ambiguous
        as to How, Who, and What he Specifically Wants
        done? Instead, Klemp is being obtuse and wishy-
        washy, once again, by using a "fable!" No wonder
        ECKists are confused, and that there are still problems
        within the EK org (after 27 years) under Klemp's rule!



        HK: "As fortune would have it, just then someone
        ran up to announce the imminent arrival of the
        god Jupiter's monkey, magic scepter in hand."

        **********************************************
        *[It should be noted that HK states in the EK
        Lexicon (page 105) that JUPITER was: "THE
        MAHANTA CONSCIOUSNESS." It seems
        the "monkey," now, represents either an ECK
        Master or, at the very least, a RESA! BTW- Is
        that a White or a Black "magic scepter" (sword)
        that Klemp's flunky/"Monkey" is holding?]
        ***********************************************

        HK: "The Elephant IMAGINED that Jupiter's
        messenger had come to enjoy the contest
        between him and the Rhino, so he prepared
        to welcome the ambassador into his own
        majestic presence. But the monkey was
        slow in coming to pay his respects."

        ME: WOW! Can it be any clearer than this!

        HK: "Finally, he arrived. The Elephant was
        truly puzzled, however, when the Monkey
        sat completely silent after giving a causal
        salute. So the Elephant said, `I would say
        that JUPITER and all of his court are soon to
        enjoy a tremendous battle!' `What battle?'
        asked the Monkey with a sober face. `Why,'
        sputtered the Elephant in bewilderment,
        `the grand fight between me and the Rhino.
        Surely, you've heard of the Rhino's challenge
        to my pride? My honor must see revenge.'


        ME: It is true, HK, and his Elephants and Rhinos
        [ECK Leaders] have Big Egos and seek revenge
        upon others.


        HK: "The Monkey, barely able to stifle a yawn,
        regarded the other with curiosity. After a long
        pause, Jupiter's ambassador said, `To be
        frank, in the vast celestial palaces such
        trifles are seldom spoken of at all.'


        ME: Is Klemp blind, arrogant, or stupid?
        This is Why there is a problem in the first
        place and Why Klemp is using this fable
        to speak about it. Yet, Jupiter (the Mahanta)
        and the Monkey (the RESAs) sit in their ivory
        "palaces" oblivious to any problems until it's
        too late and, thus, necessary to use an entire
        Wisdom Note to speak about it in order to
        SHAME ECK Leaders into cleaning up their
        "acts." Klemp expects and demands submission
        to his Will versus Soul having Its own Free Will.

        HK: "The Shamed Elephant, in a subdued
        tone, asked, `Then what is your business
        here in the land of Elephants?' The Monkey
        fingered his Scepter and replied, `Why, I've
        come to divide and distribute a blade of grass
        among some ants.' The gods shower care upon
        all creatures, great and small."

        ME: So, the Monkey (RESA) came to divide
        a blade of grass (Vahana Tips, or excerpts,
        from the RESA Star?) among some ants
        (chelas). That's so special!

        HK: `As to your affair, that's not yet been
        discussed in the heavens above.' "A person
        with an Elephantine Ego is only a Fool. Of
        course, No Fool is Wise."

        ME: Apparently something is being discussed
        now! Klemp must be looking into the mirror
        often, and is, thus, speaking of his own Huge
        EGO. HK is a Fool! Anyone who has to say that,
        "No Fool is Wise" must think that he is "Wise"
        and, therefore, cannot be a "Fool." However,
        in Klemp's case he's got it reversed, thus,
        "No Fool is Wise." [end of Part 1]

        Prometheus
      • prometheus_973
        This is Part 2 where Klemp brings Rebazar and Twit into the fable. He left off with, No fool is wise. HK: So, then, what is the path of wisdom, the highest
        Message 3 of 4 , Jan 3, 2009
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          This is Part 2 where Klemp brings
          Rebazar and Twit into the fable.
          He left off with, "No fool is wise."

          HK: "So, then, what is the path of
          wisdom, the highest and best way
          to conduct our living?"

          ME: Is this where Klemp, once again,
          preaches to the EK choir?

          HK: "Consider the example of the
          ECK Masters. Their life's mission is
          to bring all who are spiritually ready
          into the presence of the Mahanta, the
          LEM. That is their calling. That is what
          they do. What better role models could
          a high-minded seeker ever hope to
          find?"

          ME: Wasn't Darwin one of these ECK
          Master role models for, at least, 10 years!
          And, let's not leave out the biggest liar
          and con/god man of the three M/LEMs...
          Twitchell! Besides, these INVISIBLE, as well
          as "Unknown" EK Masters are imaginary
          and are pretend characters... like in a fable!
          Klemp can't see it but those "high-minded
          seekers," who join, eventually, become
          the "high-minded" ECK Leaders that
          became Egocentric Elephants and Rhinos
          that are running amuck and creating chaos!
          Perhaps, some are actually expressing their
          independence as SOUL.

          BTW-Klemp states that his "life's mission
          is to bring all who are spiritually ready into
          the presence of the Mahanta," When does
          he let them go? When do they graduate?
          When is Spiritual Freedom and Self-Mastery
          achieved? Shouldn't it take, these so-called
          Highly Advanced EK Souls, less than a lifetime?

          HK: "The Master will then do everything
          possible to deliver the seeker into the heart
          of SUGMAD. That was also the mission of
          Rebazar Tarzs during his own tenure as the
          foremost leader of the ECK community, years
          and years ago, as that age's M/LEM."

          ME: Okay, once the chela is delivered to
          SUGMAD when does the chela become
          free of the M/LEM? The "Mission" has been
          accomplished! Also, since R.T. stepped in
          for Twit, for 35 days, those who came into
          ECKankar during that time are Rebazar's
          chelas! It wasn't in another "age."

          HK: "As the Master, he instructed a willing
          chela, Peddar Zaskq, in the practices and
          understandings needed to walk the path
          to God with love and wisdom."

          ME: Haven't most H.I.s, by now, developed
          the "Practices and Understandings NEEDED
          to Walk the Path to God [on their own] with
          Love and Wisdom!" Or, are these just more
          empty words by H.K. proving that ECKankar,
          the M/LEM, and the ECK Masters are merely
          shams invented by Twitchell!

          HK: "Peddar's instruction took in the
          Spiritual Exercises of ECK and how to
          do them. Furthermore, Rebazar also
          told him what his experiences in the
          Light and Sound of God signified and
          the ways to ride the celestial Sound
          Current. Nor was that instruction the
          whole of it. Not by any means. Rebazar
          also told Peddar how to conduct himself
          in regard to the many attitudes lurking
          within him."

          ME: What did the fact about Klemp working
          in and meeting with Darwin in a Sound
          Proof Dark Room, at the ESC, signify?
          BTW- Did the mythical Rebazar also
          instruct Peddar (Twitchell) to plagiarize
          and lie?

          HK: "He showed him how to be free of
          grief, to live in oneness with others,
          and to find deep and satisfying peace
          and love."

          ME: Why don't ECKists just by-pass old
          wishy-washy Klemp and adopt the timeless
          500 year old Rebazar (the Torchbearer
          of ECKankar) as their Spiritual Leader!

          HK: "It was in this way that Peddar gained
          wisdom. His unfoldment went from that of
          a neophyte in ECK to the Mastership itself.
          Yes, he and all ECK Masters stand as models
          [to emulate via the imagination, pretend "as if"].

          Practice, then, the Spiritual Exercises of
          ECK. Avail yourself of the Talks and Writings
          of ECKankar like the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad,
          Stranger by the River, and ever so many
          more titles. Be the sage, not a fool. Walk
          the path of ECK wisely." [end of article]

          ME: Why is it that Klemp No Longer Offers
          the "ECK-Vidya?" Thus, Klemp is being
          deceptive when he says, "and ever so many
          more titles" (by Twitchell).

          Also, isn't it strange that Klemp is referring
          ECKists to books that were written by
          the first ECK Master (P.T.) around 1970!

          Why hasn't Klemp (the greatest Mahanta ever)
          written a Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Book 3 and 4?
          Why hasn't HK written poetry to rival Rumi
          (who wasn't even an ECK Master)?

          Thus, Rebazar gave ECKists the "Spiritual
          Exercises" while Twitchell gave them the
          Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Books 1&2, as well as,
          Strange by the River (with Rebazar's help
          of course)! So, why should ECKists continue
          looking to Klemp? I don't get it!

          Prometheus

          *************************************
          In ECKankar, Degrees of Wisdom and
          Degrees of Initiation are related to
          one another. In this Members Only
          pub Klemp is speaking to ALL of his
          Initiates.

          Thus, HK is intentionally contradicting
          the ECK teachings and is feeding his
          gullible followers bullshit! According
          to the ECK teachings, concerning the
          powers and abilities of the Mahanta,
          the vain and narcissistic H.I.s, who
          still have those huge Elephant sized
          egos, as well as, those with thick Rhino
          like skins cannot, also, have those Higher
          initiations or be promoted! And yet,
          these chelas are whom Klemp is talking
          about! However, they have been promoted
          and maintain positions of power and
          authority with the Mahanta's blessings!

          Klemp, once again, tries to have it both
          ways. If ECKists have Higher Degrees of
          Wisdom they should, also, have Higher
          Initiations UNLESS they have fallen, like
          Darwin, or there was a mistake made in
          giving them their Higher Initiations! Does
          Klemp's printed words correct this defect?
          Of course Not! But, such things happen
          when religions are based upon lies and
          myth.

          [PART 1]

          Hello All,
          Klemp now gives another lecture where
          he is once again preaching about using
          "discrimination," although, "results may
          vary," and that the M/LEM "has to come:
          to help you achieve it."

          ***************************************
          THE WISDOM NOTES by Harold Klemp
          December 2008 [PART 1]

          "Dear Ones,
          Degrees of wisdom vary. Wisdom comes
          in different measures, like a pinch of salt
          to the highest degree possible.

          The manifestation of wisdom may be likened
          to a light in a lantern with shutters that
          allow only a portion of the light to escape.

          A given state of consciousness determines
          the amount of wisdom shown.

          One factor in determining the amount
          of wisdom an individual displays is vanity.

          The ego in a vain person stretches his
          importance to an extravagant degree,
          which others note with caution. Why the
          caution?

          They may well hesitate to rely upon his
          judgment in serious matters. So, he must
          exceed their expectations. They want to
          be sure his discrimination is sound before
          committing to his direction. How much
          wisdom has he?"

          *****************************************
          *NOTE: Klemp now tells another "FABLE"
          by the same person mentioned in his
          front page article: "Problems and Their
          Resolutions."

          Fable: 1.) A short tale used to teach
          a moral, often with animals as characters.
          2.) A story not founded on fact.
          3.) A legend or myth.
          4.) A lie; falsehood.

          ******************************************

          HK: "Jean de La Fontaine, the seventeenth-
          century poet, tells a fable that demonstrates
          the peculiar judgment of one such character.

          An elephant and a rhinoceros once had
          a quarrel. They each had a different opinion
          about the boundaries of their domains and
          were determined to do battle over the issue,
          both willing to pit their might against the other's
          brawn. Thus would the two settle the matter."


          ME: It seems like there is still in-fighting going
          on within the ESC/RESA Hierarchy. Apparently
          Klemp, the ESC, as well as, the ECK Satsang
          Societies and the RESAs are incapable of controlling
          the negative behaviors of local Officers, Directors,
          Vahanas, and Coordinators. However, the territory
          ("boundary") disputes are created, mostly, via
          the focus upon Position and Rank (Initiation level),
          which feeds and inflates the Ego. It's really not a
          surprise that this is still a problem even after the
          H.I./L.I. Leadership Books/Workbooks, and Leadership
          classes. These are, supposedly, the "highly evolved"
          ECK Leaders Klemp is referring to! Chelas can't
          receive "Inner" guidance because Klemp is a fraud!
          Thus, HK needs to use lower means, verbal and
          written words, in order to communicate his wishes.

          I wonder, Who are the H.I. "Elephants" and Who
          are the "Rhinoceroses?" Do they, also, look like
          these animals? Klemp is implying that they are
          behaving like these lower consciousness animals!
          But, Why is Klemp, being indirect and ambiguous
          as to How, Who, and What he Specifically Wants
          done? Instead, Klemp is being obtuse and wishy-
          washy, once again, by using a "fable!" No wonder
          ECKists are confused, and that there are still problems
          within the EK org (after 27 years) under Klemp's rule!



          HK: "As fortune would have it, just then someone
          ran up to announce the imminent arrival of the
          god Jupiter's monkey, magic scepter in hand."

          **********************************************
          *[It should be noted that HK states in the EK
          Lexicon (page 105) that JUPITER was: "THE
          MAHANTA CONSCIOUSNESS." It seems
          the "monkey," now, represents either an ECK
          Master or, at the very least, a RESA! BTW- Is
          that a White or a Black "magic scepter" (sword)
          that Klemp's flunky/"Monkey" is holding?]
          ***********************************************

          HK: "The Elephant IMAGINED that Jupiter's
          messenger had come to enjoy the contest
          between him and the Rhino, so he prepared
          to welcome the ambassador into his own
          majestic presence. But the monkey was
          slow in coming to pay his respects."

          ME: WOW! Can it be any clearer than this!

          HK: "Finally, he arrived. The Elephant was
          truly puzzled, however, when the Monkey
          sat completely silent after giving a causal
          salute. So the Elephant said, `I would say
          that JUPITER and all of his court are soon to
          enjoy a tremendous battle!' `What battle?'
          asked the Monkey with a sober face. `Why,'
          sputtered the Elephant in bewilderment,
          `the grand fight between me and the Rhino.
          Surely, you've heard of the Rhino's challenge
          to my pride? My honor must see revenge.'


          ME: It is true, HK, and his Elephants and Rhinos
          [ECK Leaders] have Big Egos and seek revenge
          upon others.


          HK: "The Monkey, barely able to stifle a yawn,
          regarded the other with curiosity. After a long
          pause, Jupiter's ambassador said, `To be
          frank, in the vast celestial palaces such
          trifles are seldom spoken of at all.'


          ME: Is Klemp blind, arrogant, or stupid?
          This is Why there is a problem in the first
          place and Why Klemp is using this fable
          to speak about it. Yet, Jupiter (the Mahanta)
          and the Monkey (the RESAs) sit in their ivory
          "palaces" oblivious to any problems until it's
          too late and, thus, necessary to use an entire
          Wisdom Note to speak about it in order to
          SHAME ECK Leaders into cleaning up their
          "acts." Klemp expects and demands submission
          to his Will versus Soul having Its own Free Will.

          HK: "The Shamed Elephant, in a subdued
          tone, asked, `Then what is your business
          here in the land of Elephants?' The Monkey
          fingered his Scepter and replied, `Why, I've
          come to divide and distribute a blade of grass
          among some ants.' The gods shower care upon
          all creatures, great and small."

          ME: So, the Monkey (RESA) came to divide
          a blade of grass (Vahana Tips, or excerpts,
          from the RESA Star?) among some ants
          (chelas). That's so special!

          HK: `As to your affair, that's not yet been
          discussed in the heavens above.' "A person
          with an Elephantine Ego is only a Fool. Of
          course, No Fool is Wise."

          ME: Apparently something is being "discussed"
          now! Klemp must be looking into the mirror
          often, and is, thus, speaking of his own Huge
          EGO. HK is a Fool! Anyone who has to say that,
          "No Fool is Wise" must think that he is "Wise"
          and, therefore, cannot be a "Fool."

          [end of Part 1]

          Prometheus
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          Hello All, This is another look at the Wisdom Notes. Klemp is giving another lecture where he is once again preaching about using discrimination, although,
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            Hello All,
            This is another look at the Wisdom Notes.
            Klemp is giving another lecture where
            he is once again preaching about using
            "discrimination," although, "results may
            vary." The Catch-22 is that the M/LEM
            "has to come: to help you achieve it,"
            but when does he ever let them go?
            Not in this lifetime!

            ***************************************

            THE WISDOM NOTES by Harold Klemp
            December 2008:

            "Dear Ones,
            Degrees of wisdom vary. Wisdom comes
            in different measures, like a pinch of salt
            to the highest degree possible.

            The manifestation of wisdom may be likened
            to a light in a lantern with shutters that
            allow only a portion of the light to escape.

            A given state of consciousness determines
            the amount of wisdom shown.

            One factor in determining the amount
            of wisdom an individual displays is vanity.

            The ego in a vain person stretches his
            importance to an extravagant degree,
            which others note with caution. Why the
            caution?

            They may well hesitate to rely upon his
            judgment in serious matters. So, he must
            exceed their expectations. They want to
            be sure his discrimination is sound before
            committing to his direction. How much
            wisdom has he?"

            *****************************************
            *NOTE: Klemp now tells another "FABLE"
            by the same person mentioned in his
            front page article: "Problems and Their
            Resolutions."

            Fable: 1.) A short tale used to teach
            a moral, often with animals as characters.
            2.) A story not founded on fact.
            3.) A legend or myth.
            4.) A lie; falsehood.
            ******************************************

            HK: "Jean de La Fontaine, the seventeenth-
            century poet, tells a fable that demonstrates
            the peculiar judgment of one such character.

            An elephant and a rhinoceros once had
            a quarrel. They each had a different opinion
            about the boundaries of their domains and
            were determined to do battle over the issue,
            both willing to pit their might against the other's
            brawn. Thus would the two settle the matter."


            *ME: It seems like there is still in-fighting going
            on within the ESC/RESA Hierarchy. Apparently
            Klemp, the ESC, as well as, the ECK Satsang
            Societies and the RESAs are incapable of controlling
            the negative behaviors of local Officers, Directors,
            Vahanas, and Coordinators. However, the territory
            ("boundary") disputes are created, mostly, via
            the focus upon Position and Rank (Initiation level),
            which feeds and inflates the Ego. It's really not a
            surprise that this is still a problem even after the
            H.I./L.I. Leadership Books/Workbooks, and Leadership
            classes. These are, supposedly, the "highly evolved"
            ECK Leaders Klemp is referring to! Chelas can't
            receive "Inner" guidance because Klemp is a fraud!
            Thus, HK needs to use lower means, verbal and
            written words, in order to communicate his wishes.

            I wonder, Who are the H.I. "Elephants" and Who
            are the "Rhinoceroses?" Do they, also, look like
            these animals? Klemp is implying that they are
            behaving like these lower consciousness animals!
            But, Why is Klemp, being indirect and ambiguous
            as to How, Who, and What he Specifically Wants
            done? Instead, Klemp is being obtuse and wishy-
            washy, once again, by using a "fable!" No wonder
            ECKists are confused, and that there are still problems
            within the EK org (after 27 years) under Klemp's rule!



            HK: "As fortune would have it, just then someone
            ran up to announce the imminent arrival of the
            god Jupiter's monkey, magic scepter in hand."

            **********************************************
            *[It should be noted that HK states in the EK
            Lexicon (page 105) that JUPITER was: "THE
            MAHANTA CONSCIOUSNESS." It seems
            the "monkey," now, represents either an ECK
            Master or, at the very least, a RESA! BTW- Is
            that a White or a Black "magic scepter" (sword)
            that Klemp's flunky/"Monkey" is holding?]
            ***********************************************

            HK: "The Elephant IMAGINED that Jupiter's
            messenger had come to enjoy the contest
            between him and the Rhino, so he prepared
            to welcome the ambassador into his own
            majestic presence. But the monkey was
            slow in coming to pay his respects."

            *ME: WOW! Can it be any clearer than this!

            HK: "Finally, he arrived. The Elephant was
            truly PUZZLED, however, when the Monkey
            sat completely silent after giving a causal
            salute. So the Elephant said, `I would say
            that JUPITER and all of his court are soon to
            enjoy a tremendous battle!' `What battle?'
            asked the Monkey with a sober face. `Why,'
            sputtered the Elephant in bewilderment,
            `the grand fight between me and the Rhino.
            Surely, you've heard of the Rhino's challenge
            to my pride? My honor must see revenge.'


            *ME: It is true, HK, and his Elephants and Rhinos
            [ECK Leaders] have Big Egos and seek revenge
            upon others. Klemp, himself, holds onto grudges.

            BTW- I thought of Joan when I read that "the
            Elephant was Truly Puzzled" because of that
            "puzzled look" JK gave that Third temporary
            Postal clerk who wanted to see her I.D. before
            wasting his time to look for a package for
            someone that might Not have their I.D. with
            them. The clerk was just following the (EK) Law
            of Economy! It's strange to think that Klemp
            thought it was okay to negatively chastise the
            clerk for following the Law (both man's and
            God's)! HK mentioned and spun this incident
            in the 09/2003 H.I. Letter. Poor, 9th Initiate,
            Joan!


            HK: "The Monkey, barely able to stifle a yawn,
            regarded the other with curiosity. After a long
            pause, Jupiter's ambassador said, `To be
            frank, in the vast celestial palaces such
            trifles are seldom spoken of at all.'


            *ME: Is Klemp blind, arrogant, or stupid?
            This is Why there is a problem in the first
            place and Why Klemp is using this fable
            to speak about it. Yet, JUPITER (the Mahanta)
            and the Monkey (the RESAs) sit in their ivory
            "palaces" oblivious to any problems until it's
            too late and, thus, it is now necessary to use
            an entire Wisdom Note to speak about this
            problem in order to SHAME ECK Leaders into
            cleaning up their "acts." Klemp expects, and
            demands, submission to his Will versus Soul
            having Its own Free Will.

            HK: "The SHAMED Elephant, in a subdued
            tone, asked, `Then what is your business
            here in the land of Elephants?' The Monkey
            fingered his Scepter and replied, `Why, I've
            come to divide and distribute a blade of grass
            among some ants.' The gods shower care upon
            all creatures, great and small."

            *ME: So, the Monkey (RESA) came to divide
            a blade of grass (Vahana Tips, or excerpts,
            from the RESA Star?) among some ants
            (chelas). That's so special!

            HK: `As to your affair, that's not yet been
            discussed in the heavens above.' "A person
            with an Elephantine Ego is only a Fool. Of
            course, No Fool is Wise."

            *ME: Apparently something is being "discussed"
            now! Klemp must be looking into the mirror
            often, and is, thus, speaking of his own Huge
            EGO. HK is a Fool! Anyone who has to say that,
            "No Fool is Wise" must think that he is "Wise"
            and, therefore, cannot be a "Fool."


            [Next, Klemp brings Rebazar
            and Twitch into the fable.]


            HK: "So, then, what is the path of
            wisdom, the highest and best way
            to conduct our living?"

            *ME: Is this where Klemp, once again,
            preaches to the (EK) choir?

            HK: "Consider the example of the
            ECK Masters. Their life's mission is
            to bring all who are spiritually ready
            into the presence of the Mahanta, the
            LEM. That is their calling. That is what
            they do. What better role models could
            a high-minded seeker ever hope to
            find?"

            *ME: Wasn't Darwin one of these ECK
            Master "role models" for, at least, 10 years!
            And, let's not leave out the biggest liar
            and con/god man of the three M/LEMs...
            Twitchell! Besides, these INVISIBLE, as well
            as "Unknown" EK Masters are imaginary
            and are pretend characters... like in a fable!
            Klemp can't see it but those "high-minded
            seekers," who join, eventually, become
            the "high-minded" ECK Leaders that
            became hugely Egotistical Elephants and
            Rhinos that are running amuck and creating
            chaos! Or, perhaps, some of these ECK Leaders
            are merely expressing their independence
            as SOUL.

            BTW-Klemp states that his "life's mission
            is to bring all who are spiritually ready into
            the presence of the Mahanta," When does
            he let them go? When do they graduate?
            When is Spiritual Freedom and Self-Mastery
            achieved? Shouldn't it take, these so-called
            Highly Advanced EK Souls, LESS TIME versus
            a Lifetime?


            HK: "The Master will then do everything
            possible to deliver the seeker into the heart
            of SUGMAD. That was also the mission of
            Rebazar Tarzs during his own tenure as the
            foremost leader of the ECK community, years
            and years ago, as that age's M/LEM."

            *ME: Okay, once the chela is delivered to
            SUGMAD when does the chela become
            free of the M/LEM? The Mahanta's or at least
            the LEM's "Mission" has been accomplished!
            Also, since R.T. stepped in for Twit, for 35
            days, those who came into ECKankar during
            that time are Rebazar's chelas! It wasn't in
            another "age."

            HK: "As the Master, he instructed a willing
            chela, Peddar Zaskq, in the practices and
            understandings needed to walk the path
            to God with love and wisdom."

            *ME: Haven't most H.I.s, by now, developed
            the "Practices and Understandings NEEDED
            to Walk the Path to God [on their own] with
            Love and Wisdom!" Or, are these just more
            empty words by H.K. proving that ECKankar,
            the M/LEM, and the ECK Masters are merely
            shams invented by Twitchell!

            HK: "Peddar's instruction took in the
            Spiritual Exercises of ECK and how to
            do them. Furthermore, Rebazar also
            told him what his experiences in the
            Light and Sound of God signified and
            the ways to ride the celestial Sound
            Current. Nor was that instruction the
            whole of it. Not by any means. Rebazar
            also told Peddar how to conduct himself
            in regard to the many attitudes lurking
            within him."

            *ME: What did it "signify" when Klemp
            admitted that he worked (daily) in, and
            met with Darwin, in a Sound Proof Dark
            Room at the ESC? It "signifies" that the
            ECK (the Sound & Light) was absent in
            Klemp's life, and those plans they both
            made to transfer the Rod of ECK Power
            to Klemp were done so Without the ECK!
            Look at Ch. 7 of "Soul Travelers of the Far
            Country." Why isn't this book offered
            anymore? When Klemp did his "Autobiography"
            he edited out the fact that this room was,
            also, Sound Proof! This is why HK doesn't
            offer the other book any longer. It's another
            cover-up of sorts! Klemp was tying up loose
            ends because he revealed too many details
            in Ch. 7 of "Soul Travelers of the Far Country."

            HK: "He showed him how to be free of
            grief, to live in oneness with others,
            and to find deep and satisfying peace
            and love."

            *ME: Why don't ECKists just by-pass old
            wishy-washy Klemp and adopt the timeless
            500 year old Rebazar (the Torchbearer
            of ECKankar) as their Spiritual Leader!

            HK: "It was in this way that Peddar gained
            wisdom. His unfoldment went from that of
            a neophyte in ECK to the Mastership itself.
            Yes, he and all ECK Masters stand as models."

            *ME: Yes, ECKists are to emulate 14th Initiate
            Klemp via their imaginations, and to pretend
            "as if" they, too, are "Higher." BUT, why would
            ECKists want to have tired old looking simple-
            minded Klemp as a role "model" versus 500
            year old Rebazar and other, timeless, ECK Masters
            as role models?

            HK: Practice, then, the Spiritual Exercises
            of ECK. Avail yourself of the Talks and Writings
            of ECKankar like the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad,
            Stranger by the River, and ever so many
            more titles. Be the sage, not a fool. Walk
            the path of ECK wisely." [END]


            *ME: Why is it that Klemp No Longer Offers
            the "ECK-Vidya," or "Difficulties Of Becoming
            The Living ECK Master?" Thus, Klemp is being
            deceptive when he says, "and ever so many
            more titles" (by Twitchell). "Difficulties" is a
            historical ECKankar book! That story about
            the "Moon Virus" is one of my favorites!

            Also, isn't it strange that Klemp is referring
            ECKists to books that were written by
            the first ECK Master (P.T.) around 1970!

            Why hasn't Klemp (the greatest Mahanta ever)
            written a Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Books 3 and 4?
            Why hasn't HK written poetry to rival RUMI
            who wasn't even an ECK Master?

            Thus, according to Klemp, Rebazar gave
            ECKists the "Spiritual Exercises" while
            Twitchell gave them the "Shariyat-Ki-
            Sugmad Books 1&2," as well as, "Stranger
            by the River" (with Rebazar's help of
            course)! So, why should ECKists continue
            looking to Klemp? I don't get it!

            In ECKankar, Degrees of Wisdom and
            Degrees of Initiation are related to
            one another. In this Members Only
            pub (The Mystic World) Klemp is speaking
            to ALL of his Initiates.

            Thus, HK is intentionally contradicting
            the ECK teachings and is feeding his
            gullible, immature, and impressionable
            followers bullshit!

            According to the ECK teachings, concerning
            the powers and abilities of the Mahanta,
            the vain and narcissistic H.I.s, who
            still have those Huge Elephant Sized
            Egos, as well as, those with Thick Rhino
            like skins cannot, also, have those Higher
            initiations, or be promoted! And yet,
            these chelas are whom Klemp is talking
            about! Thus, they have been promoted
            and maintain Positions and Initiations
            of power and authority with the Mahanta's
            Knowledge and Blessings!

            However, Klemp, once again, tries to have
            it both ways. If ECKists have Higher Degrees
            of Wisdom they should, also, have Higher
            Initiations UNLESS they have fallen, like
            Darwin, or there was a mistake made in
            giving them their Higher Initiations! Does
            Klemp's printed words correct this defect?
            Of course Not! But, such things happen
            when religions are based upon lies and
            myth. Klemp has to write articles because
            the "Inner" communication is imaginary!

            Prometheus
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