Hi Prometheus and everyone,
There is a statement in the Eck-Vidya about whatsover is born of a
moment has the qualities of that moment:
"There is one great rule that goes in the ECK-Vidya. 'Whosoever, and
whatsoever is born or done at a given moment of time has the
qualities of that moment of time.'
"We have to abide by this rule for it gives each of us that
opportunity to examine ourselves minutely and gain new, sharp
insights into one's own particular nature at all levels of
existence. Knowledge of the prevailing qualities at birth or the
particular event provides answers to many and usually most
previously baffling questions about one's own self, and those within
his own environment."
(Eck-Vidya, IWP, 1978, pp29-30)
Presumabley PT's take on astrology.
If applied to that darkroom meeting what can one conclude? The
qualities of the meeting include darkness and secrecy. Is this yet
another example of where the Eckankar implodes on the hipocrisy of
its own contradictory dogma! Viz:
If the Eck-Vidya rule is true then it must apply to that meeting and
HK as future LEM.
If false than what else is false in the teachings?
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
> Hello Etznab,
> "A year earlier, the first week of March
> 1980, my predecessor Darwin Gross,
> paid me a visit in the camera department
> at the ECKankar Office in Menlo Park,
> California. The office had moved to
> California in 1975. I was seated on a
> stool by the light table opaqueing (sic)
> negatives that were to be used in making
> plates for the printing press. Gross leaned
> against the other table, made a few pleasant
> remarks, then asked me to accompany him
> into the dark room, which was soundproof."
> [Soul Travelers of the Far Country, Copyright
> 1987, CH.7, pg.129]
> It should be noted that Klemp worked daily
> in this Darkroom (Soundproofed) Lab. Of course,
> there is a red light on in the darkroom when
> film is being developed, but that's not the point
> I was making.
> The point is that in ECK these subtle revelations
> and details are referred to as "Golden Tongued
> Wisdom" and as "Waking Dreams!" Here, the future
> Mahanta (Klemp) was not only chosen by a person
> who turned out to be a "Black Magician," but Klemp,
> also, worked in a place that was absent of the ECK
> (the LIGHT and SOUND). Now, is this a coincidence?
> I was always told that there are No Coincidences
> in ECK! With Klemp, however, the Catch-22 rule
> seems to supersede Golden Tongued Wisdom and
> Waking Dreams!
> In Klemp's "Autobiography of a Modern Prophet"
> on pages 408-409 (copyright 2000) Klemp states
> that he was able to discuss the transition again,
> with Gross, on September 16, 1981.
> "The Living ECK Master sat huddled on the stool,
> his brows knit in thought. 'We really shouldn't
> talk about it here.' He shot a glance at the open
> door, where anyone might have walked in at any
> moment. 'We could go into the DARKROOM,' I
> suggested. He hesitated, then said, 'All right.'"
> This is a different account of who suggested going
> into the soundproofed darkroom than what Klemp
> gave in 1987. Notice that Klemp says that Darwin
> "hesitated" when Klemp suggested they go into
> the "DARKROOM" to discuss the passing of the
> Rod in just 36 days!
> Etznab wrote:
> Prometheus wrote:
> "For example, I see the meetings between
> HK & DG in 1980 and 1981 at the ESC in
> a "Sound Proof Dark Room," to plan the
> transition, as being relevant to a timeline.
> IMO-Both location and dates seem relevant."
> I had something on the timeline already:
> 1980 - Plans to Step Aside / Darwin Gross - March 1980:
> "[....] A year earlier, the first week of March 1980, my pred-
> ecessor as the spiritual leader of ECKANKAR, Darwin Gross,
> had paid me [Harold Klemp] a visit in the camera department
> at the ECKANKAR Office in Menlo Park, California. The office
> had moved to California in 1975. [....] Amid neatly ordered trays
> of developer, stop bath, and fix, boxes of film and camera equip-
> ment all around us, Gross told of his plans to step aside as the
> Living ECK Master. Would I accept the position as his successor?
> [....]" [Based on: Soul Travelers Of The Far Country, by Harold
> Klemp, copyright 1987, pp. 129-130]
> I wonder if it was totally dark in there. Isn't there
> a red light which can illuminate a dark room without
> exposing (harming) any film?