John-Rogers of MSIA & Former Follower of PT
- Hello Sharon and All,
Twitchell mentioned John-Rogers, but not
by name, after he left ECKankar in 1967.
One can see how JR used some of Twitchell's,
then, pre-copyrighted materials to start his
own church (schism) as PT did with Ruhani
HERE ARE SOME EXCERPTS FROM THE MSIA HANDBOOK
where All Initiations are explained away
via lower plane descriptions of "Incense":
"The Mental Initiation is represented by the Air
into which the Incense Smoke Flows. What Form
does Air take? That's how subtle it gets. The Air
The Etheric is represented by the Smell that comes
from the Burning Incense, you have to have All the
other Levels present and function. You have to have
it all together.
The Soul Level encompasses All Things. It goes
beyond the Intellect. It's all. How it functions for
you depends on the way your "Incense" is put together.
It depends on how you put the Incense together in
the past, who made the Incense, and what kind of
Essence was used. How quickly or slowly the Incense
Burns is what is called Karma. If you have an Incense
Stick that's Thick, you may take a long time getting
All Levels Exist Simultaneously. The Physical, Astral,
Causal, Mental, and Etheric are all present at the same
time. You are Not Limited to one Level, but in the Initiations,
one Level at a time is Focused On more than the others.
In the Causal Initiation, the Focus is on the things you
can do, with the Shape of the Smoke; at the same time,
of course, the Air and Smell are also present.
The Purpose of Initiation is to Awaken You on Each
Successive Level of Consciousness. If you happen to
Die before you reach the Next Initiation Level, You
Won't Have To Come Back Below the Level Into Which
You Have Been Initiated. For example, IF you've been
Initiated into the Mental Level, you won't have to come
back into the Physical, Astral, or Causal Level. That's
the value of the Initiation. It Doesn't Necessarily
Awaken You Into the Soul, BUT it Does Awaken You
to Your Level of Initiation and allow you to have Conscious
Awareness of that Level." [my caps]
>First of all, I just uploaded MSIA's hilarious "Top Secret"
> Hi everyone!
Causal Initiation Handbook over at ET, and I don't remember
if I announced recently that I'd also uploaded Peter McWilliams'
"Life 102" there - MSIA got the copyright and tried to "disappear"
it before McWilliams died, but like Twitch's pitiful "East of Eden",
you can still find it used. Altho McWilliams said he sort of "took
back" the book before he died and changed his mind because
John-Roger's successor wasn't as bad, I don't totally believe it,
and the book's definitely a worthy read.
>They're at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eckankartruth/files
- you have to be a member to access the files, but you can "join"
quickly & easily then "unjoin" when you're finished.
>John-Roger didn't have much respect for his members, just
> Personally, I think the "handbook" makes it quite clear that
by the way it's written. If I had to describe it in one word,
I'd say it's puerile.
>On former eckfriends, for most of my years in the cult,
I only met a small handful at local meeetings and "worship"
services. They seemed like nice but totally "normal" people,
no more or less "spirichul" than anyone else, although as
time went on I really wondered more & more where all that
"high" stuff was. Towards the end I moved to another area
and met a few more, and finally got to a couple big seminars,
which made me wonder even more. And then I got on the
internet....WOW!! Yep, all those questions were finally answered
and I got out!!
>to a.r.e. I was so *totally* shocked at how horribly nasty
> I did make a few internet eckfriends, and when I went
& vicious one particular e-friend was, I ended up giving
that one back what she'd been dishing out to former members,
only I was much worse. <gg> There are still a few I'd
normally still be friends with, especially one longtime HI
& bigtime "vahana", they were more or less "okay" with my
leaving and we just didn't discuss it & focused on families
& critters, but they just can't help tossing in "eckisms" now
& then, and it just became so difficult for me to keep my
mouth shut about their delusional states...heartbreaking,
actually. Especially the "vahana" - I began to sort of feel
like I was going along with and keeping my mouth shut
about people who think it's all right to have sex with children,
like NAMBLA preaches. So I just had to totally stop "talking"
to them. One of them had to ask me to make sure I never
mentioned our friendship on the internet or said "hi" or anything
if we ran into each other in "public" because it would be noted
and they'd be "punished", and not get any more initiations
or something. Gawd, can you imagine, feeling that way
and not realizing how you're so controlled and brainwashed????
>Did anyone else think something was not quite "right" about
Twitch's making his birthday the "Spiritual New Year" but stifle
>Have a good one, everyone!