The Worthless EK Discourses
- Hi Liska and All,
The Master's 4 Discourse, Lesson 3 talks
about the Ninth Initiation. It states that
there are Three Stages before the initiation
is complete and valid. There are Two inner
stages and a Third outer stage which is
the physical confirmation. This acts as a
safety valve so that one's imagination didn't
completely take them from their EK reality
and, perhaps, challenge Klemp's position.
However, these, and all, initiations are
fantasy and ego driven.
The greater reality, for ECKists, is the initiation
number printed on one's EK Membership Card!
Other than that there is no real difference between
There is, of course, the "as if" factor where one
acts like they are something they aren't, but
most H.I.s can't act their "as if" role 24/7. Some
H.I.'s only attempt to play or "act" the part when
they are around other ECKists. This is where
they "change." Who and What one sees at an
ECK event isn't an honest reality or even close
to it. Klemp is more like the Wizard of Oz, but
without the charisma. Or, maybe HK's more
like the Old Witch from the North!
There are certain factors that help EKists to
maintain their Initiation Delusion. There are
special titles for all, of course, but the real
power is, generally, for those with higher
However, these active H.I.s just have more
training, higher "settler" positions (within
the RESA Hierarchy), and (most) have learned
to work with the Church guidelines, rules,
and procedures more than the non-active
H.I.s. Of course, being a friend of the RESA
or another higher-up at the ESC always helps
with that climb up the initiation ladder too!
In ECKankar, the Initiations and Titles and
Discourses have nothing to do with "Higher"
Therefore, what value do these "Higher" Secret
Teachings of the EK Discourses have over other
Mental Plane and physical plane printed material?
Twitchell plagiarized the ECK Discourses too!
It's true that the discourses give info and teach
techniques that the average newcomer doesn't
normally read about, but some of this came from
the Secret teachings of other religions that Twitchell
had previously explored. I know this because I,
too, learned of "Secret" words and sutras when
following Eastern religions before I joined ECKankar.
Also, there is evidence of the true (non-ECK)
sources that PT used for his discourses.
Religions and their teachings are all a bunch
of crap! And, one doesn't need a Master for
spiritual growth, or a weatherman to tell
you if it's raining!
For a person to get "spiritual indigestion" by
reading too much is, of course, another lie.
But, it could strain-the-brain and make one
somewhat confused and feel out of sorts by
trying to comprehend something so totally
different. Calculus does the same for many
people and it's not what I'd call "spiritual."
Leanne, if he's reading all those discourses,
he's getting quite a dose of brainwashing.
Aside from the propaganda and indoctrination,
there's nothing worthwhile in any of them.
I know, because I've got a box with all of
them waiting to be burned in my fireplace.
Providing a little warmth this winter is all
they're good for.