Admissions of Fictions
- About the SOUTRRAVELER post on
the old TS Bulletin Board, to me
it confirmed my suspicions about
the admissions of certain fictions.
That the author attended in 1975
an Eckankar seminar, that tells me
they were privy to things before the
David lane manuscript and before the
divorce announcement (1978?)of Gail
I don't believe David wrote his
term paper before 1977. I could be
wrong. What I know is that Darwin
Gross was the spiritual leader of
Eckankar when it came out.
Don't you think that Darwin - as
many of us have - could "read the
writing on the wall"?
This was the 70s. And if I'm not
mistaken, before the Internet.
Even without computers and the
Internet though, Darwin must have
seen it in black and white. So to
It's the timing that leads me to
suspect that something was up then,
because Darwin was already looking
to surrender the L.E.M. position by
Surrendering that position meant
surrendering the responsibility for
any plagiarism too, IMO.
What did Harold Klemp come out
and say back in 1984 after having
time to look over Paul Twitchell's
old files? Do you imagine Harold
found anything that "shocked" him?
Judging by a whole talk devoted to
the history of Paul Twitchell, I do.
I'm not saying I totally agree with
Harold's version of the story, or
that I would have told it like he
What I'm finding though, is that
it appears people have left Eckankar
because they either couldn't swallow
some of the things they didn't know
about and/or they couldn't live with
the idea they might be responsible
for deceiving people, etc. They had
I'm speculating (I have to say
it that way to be fair), but I do
imagine that things were different
many years ago. And I suspect that
people knew about the things many
are just finding out now. Not every-
one, but those who did know about
certain "created fictions", I think
they were able to justify and live
with it. I got this impression from
S.T.'s post too.
Here is the problem, as I see it.
There were those who probably came
into Eckankar years later and inter-
preted certain fictions as literally
true. Or, as literal fact. And those
same people who found out otherwise -
some even decades later - were liter-
When the book Those Wonderful Eck
Masters came out, I rather saw it as
a "slap in the face", so to speak. It
was like "rubbing salt in the wound".
(The reason I have not bought a copy
to this day.) That is my opinion, or
what was my own personal experience.
Sometimes I get the impression the
people who know about the fictions in
religions - I get the impression they
want to tell me it's not my place to
decide when and where anybody gets to
look at such secret archives. But this
is what I imagine is the case with the
Vactican and Government archives also,
and not just the history of the path
(religion) to which I belong.
In this case, I fear the longer
certain information is witheld, the
greater will be the "shock" when the
truth finally comes out! (The more
people who will be hurt, too.)
Kinda like what is happening in
the world today. Where the lives of
millions are affected by the actions
of a relative few. And some of whose
actions the major majority haven't a
Why did the mortage industry and
the credit industry take a big shock?
How about "fake" money? How about the
belief in certain fictions that were
not "real" to begin with?
Is it always the best decision to
believe in certain fictions? This is
all I am saying, that sometimes there
needs to be admissions of fictions so
that people can know the difference,
between what is true and what is not.
Three credit card applications I
get in the mail a week - on average.
This has been going on a long, long
time. Do you think somebody wants me
to invest in fiction? Do you think
they want me to take some (pay them)
some interest? Sure they do! It's a
My shredder and garbage can are
the more interested.
- Hello Etznab and All,
I was trying to think back as
to when I first started to hear
the rumors about various events
such as Gail and Darwin being
divorced and the David Lane
For me, WHEN it happened isn't
as important as WHAT happened.
But Not with them, with me! My
state-of-mind back then was
that of a loyal, trusting, and blind
follower of ECK. This mindset
caused me to disregard "outer"
turmoil and/or the mentioning of
it as rumors and gossip coming
from the KAL. This was, also, seen
as a "test" and, therefore, I needed
to avoid Kal's traps in order to make
spiritual progress. Rationalizing
and distorting one's reality via
self-hypnosis, magical thinking,
and pretending "as if" were needed
in order to obtain those initiations
that led to Higher Consciousness,
or so we were told.
Yes, there were/are a lot of contradictions
in ECK speak, but these are explained
away as paradoxes. Therefore, when PT,
in the Shariyat, says one thing and then
contradicts himself later this is a paradox
or riddle. It's to be solved in contemplation,
or when one receives that next initiation,
or with the one after that, or the one after
that, or..... and so it goes for years and years.
Therefore, when Darwin got booted this
was sold to us as a cleansing by the ECK
versus a cleansing by the Klempster.
However, we were also told (early on) by
Klemp that the "outer" negative words and
actions of some H.I.s were Not what it seemed
to be. On the "inner" these Souls were different...
just as you were/are. Therefore, one is Not
to judge them! Except, Klemp did judge
Darwin! Oops, another paradox!
[Then came the Internet and more access
to information for all.]
Klemp, after turning a blind eye and a deaf
ear to the Negative behaviours of many of his
EK Leaders, over 20 years, finally writes
a H.I. Leadership Manual and requires classes
(book discussions) to insure that everyone
got the message. But of course that didn't
happen either... the damage had been done.
Even though we were told to disregard their
negative words and behaviours I just couldn't
overlook it. I knew that these H.I.s weren't
"evolved" Souls. Words and Actions do have
value and do indicate one's level of or lack
of consciousness, ethics, and morals, as well
as, psychological and other disorders.
But, Why are there Negative H.I.'s to begin
with? If Klemp is what he claims then Why
does he have to write Leadership books for
both Lower and H.I.s to instruct them on
proper behaviour? Why isn't there the "INNER"
communication or the "higher" consciousness
that came with their "higher" initiations?
The real question comes back to Klemp's
Leadership and "Powers" Instead of blaming
these H.I.'s. Why did these H.I.'s keep getting
initiations and higher positions? Klemp shifts
blame by making it seem like it's all the chela's
fault while the Master takes NO Responsibility!
Anyway, I was seeing this more and more,
but just wasn't able to (or unwilling to) put
it together. And, Klemp's one dimensional
simple-minded stories really bothered me
at times. Plus, I knew, for a fact, that some
of those EK stories, being repeated by Klemp,
had been embellished. I knew the original
authors! Still, the stories weren't anymore
special than what happens to Non-ECKists!
So, trying to believe in Klemp and his empty
promises became more and more of a job,
especially, when initiations were "slowed
down" and (basically) capped off at the 7th!
One just had to accept so much and throw
the rest out... just like with Christianity or
Judaism or any other religion!
Except, this isn't what I wanted, or thought
I'd signed up for, when I first joined Eckankar...
I wanted a real Spiritual Path and NOT EK Worship
Services or to become a Missionary and Servant
and having to follow a bunch of spoken and
unspoken rules and Guidelines presented by
those with a higher initiation rank, but a lower
consciousness! And many were so vain and full
of themselves! This was/is Bullshit!
Therefore, when "Confessions of a God Seeker"
came out I was ready to read it. I wasn't afraid
to read the book because I knew of and had
spoken to Ford Johnson at EK Seminars, and
the book was recommended, at that time, by
another H.I. What's funny is that another 7th,
months earlier, mentioned that she had email
transcripts of Ford's manuscript. For some reason
I didn't ask to see it or to have a copy made
or anything. I was ready to hear the Truth, but
Not at that time it seems! It's interesting how
SPIRIT works isn't it! And, I must admit it took
me a long time to absorb, contemplate
upon, and verify the information in the book.
However, I never did agree with or finish the
last part of the book (I've heard this from others
Of course, today, ECKists have heard a lot of
rumors about Ford's book and have seen a lot
of people leave Eckankar after reading it. This
scares them. Does it contain "Black Magic" that
would cause them to reject Eckankar too! And,
Why should one expose themselves to negativity
when it's avoidable! Therefore, just keep your
head in the sand, ignore it, and the danger
of discovering the Truth will go away.
Are there some details in the book that were
overlooked and were there some "t's" needing
crossed and some "i's" needing dotted... Yes!
Still, I verified Ford's claims with "The Path of
the Masters" and other materials and found
the context of information to be Truthful.
What it finally came down to is the "pieces of
the puzzle" coming together for me. I was now
able to "connect the dots" and understood Why
so much in Eckankar didn't make sense for me!
It wasn't me it was them! They lied! This is Why
I wasn't having the "inner experiences!" And
it's Why the other promises like, the "Protection"
and "Healing" by the Mahanta wasn't fulfilled!
It takes more than Faith and Belief and Empty
Promises... there has to be some Reality and
Truth! Also, the REAL connections that we do
have with SPIRIT is there for anyone regardless
of religious belief. No Middleman/Mahanta or
membership money is needed!
Really, Why does an All Loving and Compassionate
Master (Klemp) require MONEY for his Chelas'
to MAINTAIN their Spiritual standing? Why Not
overlook the "outer" and focus on the "inner?"
Wouldn't a True "Spiritual" (Eck) Master overlook
the money or other outer membership requirements?
Sure! Except you don't need one of those either!
No strings attached should apply to all!