Re: Synchronicity, Etc.
- Hi Mish and Etznab,
I went to the A.R.E. link Etznab posted
below and that "JR" character was a real
asshole! He must be one of Klemp's H.I.
(henchmen) Clerics! What he said to Etznab
could just as easily be applied to Klemp
who lives in Eden Prairie, MN! And, Why
do ECKists rely on 38 year old 1st and
2nd Plane Shariyats for their "Holy Books?"
They were plagiarized by Twitchell anyway!
Why can't Klemp write some Lower Plane
Shariyats like numbers 3 & 4? Klemp can't
even write poetry that compares to the
2nd/4th Plane Islamic follower Rumi.
BTW- I saw where Rich and Leaf were
getting into it on A.R.E. too! However,
I have to agree with Rich's assessment
of Leaf's recent comments. Leaf is a small-
minded, deluded, and out-of-control
Narcissist. He got knocked off his pedestal
but is still looking for a following... Leaf's
small-mindedness reminds me of the EK
"maverick" Doug Marman (another Narcissist).
I just now went to your link and read your response to
the post on A.R.E. It is very well expressed. And I am
glad that you stuck with your research. That is being
responsible and open-minded. I know we don't agree
on all issues, but I don't know anyone in my life that I
have totally agreed with and vice versa for sure. It is
nice that you come to this discussion board with your
input. It shows that we can dialogue with respect.
> For the post Classic Example sent to A.R.E.
> several hours ago that never appeared (not that
> I can tell as of 10:20 a.m. C.S.T.) I went ahead
> and created a temporary transcript page. Here
> is the link:
I'm giving the links to these posts for context.
People are fascinated with the fatherly figure of a wise
adept that can answer all questions and give out only
words of truth. People want to have a strong leader. A
history of achievements that supports the leaders cause
is paramount in getting the individual to delve deeper into
the mystery of the Ancient teachings. Eck having its
historical roots embedded in almost all the world teachings
did not have a direct history for itself. The seeker needed
something to look back onto. The seeker needed to point
out to others or himself of the truths that existed through-
out the ages of the Light and Sound. It is to the credit of
Paul's imagination that the invention of fictional and non-
fictional legends such as the Eck Masters were brought
forth to be an example of the Light and Sound and its
historical achievements in the past. In Paul's mind it was
not the messager that was important as much as the
delivery and the message itself. Using his knowledge of
the Great Masters of the past, the Eck Masters were
created to each bring about a part of the contributing
truth to the Eck Teachings. ...."
The impression I got from that post was the author
believed that Paul Twitchell simply made some things
up. This is a point I have tried to discuss on A.R.E.
(the posts still weren't posting the last I looked).
Here is another example:
"[....] 3. Did Paul Twitchell copy other writers works?
Yes. Well, I guess I can give yes or no answers some-
times. 4. Did Paul Twitchell use other writers words
and put his Eck masters names on them as if the Eck
Master were saying them? Yes. [....]"
I believe that was a quote by Doug Marman,
from the TS post: A Few Responses (it's hard
to tell because TS hasn't so far transcribed all
the information, apparently).
That last question and answer is something
I have attempted to discuss with Eckists for a
number of years. Example: "Did Paul Twitchell
use other writers words and put his Eck masters
names on them as if the Eck Master were saying
Someone apparently asked these questions
and Doug answered them. I believe.
As for Patti Simpson and her "active" status,
I believe that someone [Doug?] answered this
question years ago as well.
"[....] I know that Patti does still feel very fond
feelings toward Paul, but she is also not active
in Eckankar. Past that, I would rather she answer
the rest for herself. [....]"
I'll have to check if Patti answers this. Maybe
something will come out during her talk at the
Monterey Conference today.
BTW, I wonder if A.R.E. posts will come back
up after the conference? That would be a funny
coincidence (just kidding), IMO.
P.S. To verify it was Doug who wrote the TS post
"A Few Responses" (and probably the one: "More
Responses") I'm basing it on this:
Response to Doug Marman's "A Few Responses"
: Truth Leads Us To The ONE
Sent: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Synchronicity, Etc.
For the post Classic Example sent to A.R.E.
several hours ago that never appeared (not that
I can tell as of 10:20 a.m. C.S.T.) I went ahead
and created a temporary transcript page. Here
is the link:
From: D.R.D. <etznab@...>
Sent: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 9:40 am
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Synchronicity, Etc.
Besides the October 4th event in Monterey,
I believe the Higher Consciousness Society is
having events on October 12th and November 8th.
The latter the annual HCS gathering, I believe.
The Eck Worldwide seminar is later this month
too. Someplace I wrote a post on A.R.E. about
relative synchronicity of events taking place
in 2008. I tied them in with a little history
about Pluto and when it moved from one sign to
another. (Patti Simpson was listed as an astro-
loger. I wonder if she will be touching on the
subject of Pluto today?).
I'm not sure if the links will work, but I
will try and give links to the A.R.E. posts so
that I don't have to copy, paste and edit line
breaks for posting here at E.S.A.
[BTW, hope I guaged the sentence length right
here so it doesn't come out with broken lines.
My apology if this is the case.]
Here is just one of the links with
data about Pluto. Look at the dates!
As most of you know, my Eckankar "Trivia"
timeline was discontinued some time ago, but
I have a general summary of world history on
another timeline that was not. (It's more a
"timecapsule" of historical events really).
On that timeline I went ahead (the other
day) and added Pluto data from at least the
year 1914 (when Pluto "entered" Cancer)and
2008 (when Pluto "entered" Capricorn).
[Pick a year and page search for Pluto]
Pluto is slow-moving and takes over two-
hundred years to orbit the Sun. I started
looking at its "movement" from one sign to
the next on account of the fact it has not
been "in" Capricorn since America was born
over 200 years ago.
(I'll type short sentences
in case these want to come out
Anyhow, I looked at "movement
of Pluto in context to Eckankar
events. Here is a short list just
in case the link doesn't work:
[* Marks years when Pluto was at
1914 - Pluto Cancer
1939 - Pluto Leo
1957 - Pluto Virgo
1965 - Pluto Virgo*
1971 - Pluto Libra
1978 - Pluto Libra*
1983 - Pluto Scorpio
1990 - Pluto Scorpio*
1995 - Pluto Sagittarius
2002 - Pluto Sagittarius*
2008 - Pluto Capricorn
I'm not a professional astrologer,
but from what I remember the influence
of Pluto is "believed to be" felt on a
generational level and the lessons take
years to work out.
P.S. When the A.R.E. posts come up,
take a look at one called "Classic
Example". It's partly a response to
a poster using the name "jryancl..."
who I believe might be the same as
the A.R.E. poster "JR".
About half way down the following
this person (so far their only A.R.E.
post for all of 2008) appears to enjoy
making reference to my state, my neigh-
borhood, my house and my family. After
explaining "you do not seem to have read
much of any of the writings in ECKANKAR,"
and asking "What have you written from
your own discoveries in your own words
based on your own experiences?"
My answers can be found under the
A.R.E. threads "A.R.E." and "Classic
Example" (posted yesterday). Whenever
they come up on the board that appears
to have been idle for over 15 hours!
If they don't post I'll try to put them
here on E.S.A.
Sorry for the length of this post.