Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Don't Shoot the Messenger!
Hello Unknown Eckist ;-)
Good that you hold reserves towards the movement. I'm not thinking in "spiritual" categories any more and I agree with Prometheus, that our freedom has come in spite of eckankar and not because of it.
By the way, I found a very telling exchange among chelas on Chelachat, the original title was "Gas price?". Those of you who are on chelachat may want to check out the whole thread - I have copied and pasted the 3 first posts on the thread.
Take care, Ingrid
Didn't Harold mention that there will be a psychic wave about "global
warming" in his last talk? Looks like some wave in form of pricing got
to them regarding the broadcast of the WW. If you want audio and video
it's now $85!
What I can remember he talked about Governments and others will use the
environment to spread fear in the society. He said the reasons behind it is
to get hold of peoples money. He said don’t be afraid. Don’t let people
My comment: Fear is one of the barriers to god realization. So if the
government will try everything to get hold of your money DON’T WORRY. Money
cannot give you god realization. The cannot take the spiritual exercises and
your dreams from you.
With love in ECK
Response from author of original post
if God-Realization could be bought ... It wouldn't be ;-)
The gas-price-subject-line was more or less a tongue-in-cheek phrase on
At least in the US "higher gas prices" became a mantra of late for most
everything -- like higher prices are the reason for bloated increases on
stuff that is slightly related to oil if you stretch the psychic waves
as far as you can. Then there is also the issue of pointing something
out only to become affected by the exact same matter. Seems even a
spiritual teaching is not excluded from this.
**************************************************----- Original Message ----
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:18:22 PM
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Don't Shoot the Messenger!
I thought I'd share a private email
and my response. Of course, I'll keep
the identity of the sender anonymous.
The original title was, The Definitive
Test, but it seemed that Don't Shoot
the Messenger was the real purpose.
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"Having been a 2nd initiate in 1994
followed by a lapse of 13 years, mean
times gone round the block many times,
it still puzzles me why the eckankar
membership remains either constant
or growing! During this period a personal
gain in spiritual growth has blossomed,
largely from working out my karma.
Admittedly I have rejoined, but hold
reservations on many things about the
Also I have become aware of many
others who are working extremely
hard in raising their own consciousness
and their fellow humans unheard of by
the public. So why is there so much attention
pain to Harold Klemp I ask? We are all
given the gift of free will and choice,
meaning the path chosen to enlightenment
is both unique and a God given right to
The ultimate test for enlightenment is
what occurs on the inner planes, that
is does that person have a communion
with a being of higher awareness, which
is demonstrably visible to others of a
particular perception. Several have within
these pages mention a new kind of freedom,
so could this be in spite of Eckankar or
because of it?
The mystery religions are simply that
and Christianity may well be classified
within this definition. There is an explosion
of new codes from both the old and new
testaments, suggesting people nay scholars
are finding their own truths through inner
meditation and study?
So in essence whatever path you travel
try not to shoot the messenger, but simply
enjoy the ride!"
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Thanks for your post. However, Klemp
is an interloper and a fraud and Not a
true messenger. He's the conductor on
the train of delusion. And, I would disagree
that Eckankar's growth is staying constant
or increasing. Membership is decreasing
as chelas discover that they don't need
a middleman Mahanta to intercede for them.
When chelas read his negative comments
or see it in action on stage they begin to
realize that something is wrong.
Also, Klemp's primary focus is on increasing
his dwindling membership numbers because
more members mean more material sales and
donations. Thereby, this is the true reason for
the focus on Vahana work, Service, and Material
Yes, we all have free will and choice, but
when a RESA like Phil Morimitsu has no
curiosity to read another RESAs book
(Confessions of a God Seeker) what does
that say about Eckankar's brainwashing
methods? Is it a fear of facing the changes
that may take place if one reads untold truths,
as well as, another perspective of EK history?
I think so! Plus, many ECKists at the ESC
have no other job opportunities and,
therefore, have to remain in order to survive.
Have you read Confessions of a God Seeker?
In regard to Christianity, has any other
person, other than the three Mahantas,
declared that "God" was actually Satan
or Kal, and of the 2nd or 4th Plane? And,
that they were of the 14th Plane!
[Autobiography of a Modern Prophet, pg.
Let's face it... all religions are full of myths
and lies and are sold as Truth! Therefore,
to thy Self be true!
Yes, we former ECKists have a new found
freedom as Soul IN SPITE OF Eckankar Not
Because of Eckankar! Eckankar is a fraud,
(it's true!), and we humans do live and learn
despite the delays and road blocks designed
by KAL as spiritual tests. However, Eckankar
too is a KAL Trap that lines Klemp's pockets
with money via the blood, sweat, and tears
of his trusting and gullible chelas.
I will say that Eckankar and other Eastern
and New Age teachings did get me to think
more about things that I had never explored
before, but remember... Eckankar is really
Ruhani Satsang and Radhasoami dogma that's
been Westernized (Vegetarianism and the
Virtue of Chastity were removed)! However,
I soon found out that ECKists aren't supposed
to think. Just like soldiers aren't supposed to
think, but only take orders from those with
a higher rank or position above them. Thinking,
for oneself, is detrimental to being a good
soldier and to being a good ECKist.
I'm thinking that you need to read more of our
archives and the LINKs, here, in order to truly
know and understand our positions. We are
our own Master Here and Now. True, we still
are, and need to be, students of life too!
What we definitely don't need is to be paying
members (coin & service) of any church, like
Eckankar that would (claim to) rescind our
spiritual growth (initiations) if it didn't get
that annual donation! But, isn't this typical
of all religions... to threaten people via some
sort of a withholding of divine promises and
using fear tactics!
BTW- I don't have a mystical connection with
any spiritual Being on the inner planes except
for my Self and Spirit. I don't worship men,
the words of men, or those who appear as
men (or women, etc.).
Mine is a special relationship that goes far
beyond the teachings of EK because those
teachings are flawed. Even those teachings
that weren't distorted were only Subjective
(and intended for that individual only) and
Not necessarily intended for massive "Group"
study or worship! This is the con of religion
and of PT's & HK's Eckankar!
We all must find our own communication
with the Divine without the interference or
the distractions of (individual) subjective
experiences that others are selling as generic
valid lessons, discourses, or teachings by
an expert "Master." Eckankar simply delays
this process, of discovering each Soul's own
Truth, from taking place.
p.s. I did make some slight edits to my