ECK High Initiates Need to Stay or Grow!
- Hello All,
Klemp manipulates his chelas into
a lifetime of servitude to promote
his image to the public and to buy
In Chapter 12 of the Shariyat Book 2
Twitchell talks about 7th Initiates:
"He now has the right to choose
whether he will pursue the rest
of the way on the path of Eckankar.
There are five more initiations for
him to take before entering into
the true circle of the Adepts..."
Twitchell talked of FIVE more initiations!
ECKists should ask themselves, How many
8th Initiates are there and why aren't there
more? Why have 7ths hit a glass ceiling?
According to PT's SHARIYAT there are FOUR
More Initiations for Klemp's 8ths!
Why is there NO FREEDOM from any creed,
religion, or teacher for the EK 7th Initiate?
Why does Klemp always turn it around and
make it the chela's problem?
Plus, Klemp stated long ago, in the FALL 1987
"The Wisdom Notes," that "My work is mainly
in the other worlds, simply because there are
so many SOULS in them."
Therefore, with Klemp, ECKANKAR became
a Lower Plane Religion! This is one reason
WHY HK imitated the Christian Religions with
their ceremonies, and the fact that he was
trained as a Lutheran Minister!
However, The REAL TRUTH is that Klemp
is a fraud and is incapable of "Knowing"
anything on the "INNER." This is Why he
relies upon his RESA Org and Initiate Reports
to "Know" anything about his chelas!
Klemp goes on in this Wisdom Note and
states that, "Happily, 95% of the ECK
initiates are truly aspiring for the GOD
What about the JOURNEY being the true
GOAL! Desires and promises in the next
life are what fuels Religion while "rank"
mostly fuels the ego.
When does one NO Longer NEED to be a
FOLLOWER? EK Chelas need those HIGHER
INITIATIONS! Their EGOs need to feel 'superior
normal' and these initiations are said to be
"yardsticks" for spiritual growth- just look
at those who are of "HIGH RANK." Most H.I.s
act very aloof and "spiritual!"
Plus, PT's Shariyats and Klemp tell these
needy followers that they HAVE to HAVE
this HIGHER INITIATION (the 12th) in order
to reach this GOAL! Therefore, more service
Some H.I.s have mastered acting "AS IF"
they have a "Higher Con" and are good at
looking the part and going through the
motions. Some are very good organizers!
Closer scrutiny will show that many have
an arrested social development. Many ECKists
make too many assumptions about their
Leaders. Klemp is a Narcissist and a Fraud
and this is "why" he can Never Accept Any
Responsibility for Anything. It all comes
back to the chela and never the fake master!
Shit rolls downhill!
Let's face it - Most EK 7th Initiates have been
7ths for 20 plus years with Klemp in Charge!
Both PT and Klemp contradict themselves
too! In the SPRING 1986 "The Wisdom Notes"
HK states that one must be a "Kevalshar,
initiate of the 11th Circle..." to achieve spiritual
freedom and then uses a Catch-22 from PT's
Shariyat by stating, "Rebirth is gained in this
world, which is the land of the SUGMAD....
for the way to this rebirth in the land of SUGMAD,
a guide must be found. It is only the Mahanta,
However, if one looks up ANAMI LOK (pg.9)
in the ECK LexiCon one will see that this is
the 10th Plane and where SUGMAD Resides
and the word associated with this plane is HU!
Now, if one looks at the preceding 9th Plane,
AGAM LOK, (pg.4) they will see that the ruler
of this plane is AGAM PURUSHA - who is the
SUGMAD with a "slight limitation."
After reading this there should be a Light
Turning On for most ECKists! This is WHY
Twitchell (and Klemp), later, edited the
SHARIYATS and WHY Klemp "slowed down"
There really should be 100 NINTH INITIATES
and 50 EIGHTH INITIATES by now... BUT for
the fact that neither Twitchell or Klemp wanted
to let these people go! They had too much
experience conducting EK business, giving
intros, and running the org to give them their
spiritual freedom via higher initiation and
handing them off to the SUGMAD!
The scam almost caught PT and HK with
their pants down, but all a religious leader
has to do is EDIT! Too bad that Not Everything
got edited! But when one has brain-washed,
deluded, fearful and egotistical H.I.s, with
an awe for those with a higher "spiritual"
rank, it really isn't necessary to give logical
explanations for contradictions in dogma.
This is the way and weakness of religionists!
> It looks like Klemp isn't the only
> one selling snake oil and initiations!
> These people also have meetings at
> the base of Mt. Shasta where the space
> aliens have an underground compound.
> The EK Masters from Venus, Jupiter,
> and Clarion, etc. should fit right in
> with the others! Maybe they know one
> Dr. Joshua David Stone (Ph.D in
> Transpersonal Psychology) talks
> about the 12 steps to self mastery
> needed for Ascension in this Life!
> Note from Dr Joshua David Stone:
> "A great many Lightworkers on this planet
> are achieving their ascension and higher
> levels of initiation and this is good and
> appropriate. The Masters and I, however,
> are very concerned about a growing trend
> in the spiritual movement of great spiritual
> advancement without proper integration into
> the mental and emotional vehicles. This might
> be termed the psychological level. What does
> it matter if one is a 7th degree initiate and
> yet is run by the negative ego, lower-self
> desire body, inner child and the emotional
> This, my beloved readers, is more common
> than you realize. The thrust of the Melchizedek
> Synthesis Light Academy training course is
> to rectify this growing imbalance in the spiritual
> movement. I say to you now, my beloved friends,
> that if this psychological work is not done,
> almost all channeling and clairvoyant work
> becomes corrupted and true liberation has
> not been achieved, even if you have passed
> the 7th initiation.
> You may have achieved liberation from the
> physical plane, however you will have to
> reincarnate on the astral and/or mental
> plane, and this is not true liberation.
> I guide you to my books "Soul Psychology,"
> "How to Clear the Negative Ego," "Integrated
> Ascension: Revelation for the Next Millennium,"
> "How to Release Fear-Based Thinking and Feeling,"
> and "The Golden Book of Melchizedek" that
> speaks directly to this most important subject.
> All these books are available directly from
> the Melchizedek Synthesis Light Academy
> (818) 769-1181.
> One other crucial point to realize on this
> subject is that if the proper psychological
> work is not done, as mentioned above,
> the Masters of the Planetary and Cosmic
> Hierarchy, and Spirit itself, will hold your
> evolution at the end of the 7th initiation.
> No matter how much spiritual work you
> do, there is a ring-pass-not of spiritual
> advancement if proper integration of your
> initiations in the mental, emotional, and
> psychological realm is not achieved. In other
> words, movement into Cosmic Ascension
> as opposed to Planetary Ascension will not
> be allowed to take place. It is important to
> understand that initiations have more to do
> with the percentage of light quotient you carry,
> and not necessarily with the development
> of true Christ Consciousness and character
> development within the psychological self.
> As you know, the requirement for ascension
> is the balancing of 51% of your karma. This
> will indeed free you from the wheel of rebirth
> upon the physical realms and open you up to
> deeper advancements upon the inner realms.
> This is not the total picture, however, which is
> why this book is being written. There is, in truth,
> much to be considered before "Integrated Ascension,"
> involving all the bodies, is complete. "Integrated
> Ascension" is what we are ultimately after, for in
> order to fully ascend, all of the bodies and many
> other quotients must be lifted up to GOD. In
> a similar vein, the GOD force must also be brought
> down by what is called the process of 'decension',
> or anchoring spirit into the body (matter). Initiation,
> leading to ascension, must therefore be seen and
> embraced through a full spectrum lens.
> Dr Joshua David Stone"
- I see a compound word here consisting of two roots:
mlk - "Transliterated Hebrew spelling for the word/words
'king' [Genesis 14:1, etc.]. Other definitions include: gov-
ernor, chief, prince, a person with civil authority. Associated
tsdyq - "Transliterated Hebrew spelling for the word/words
'just' [Genesis 6:9, etc.]; 'righteous' [Genesis 7:1, etc.].
Associated spellings/words: tsaddiyq."
Basically, I see "righteous king" in that word. Example:
Mlkytzdk - "Transliterated Hebrew spelling for the word
'Melchizedek' [Genesis 14:18], [Psalm 110:4]. Other
definitions include: The King of Salem; the manifestation
of Divine Justice and Judgement. Associated spellings/
words: melekh-tzedek ['the king of justice'].
It' a popular words these days I can tell you. And in
some New Age circles. More than one author I've read
has used this term. Not always in the same way.
The first time I saw the word years ago was when in an
old used book store. There were these pamphlets that on
the cover said: "CHELAS OF MELCHESIDEK" LESSON
ONE, TWO, THREE, etc. They were signed [in print] at
the back: Your Guru, Doreal.
The dates for these books is written in pencil on the front
cover. The year was 1947! I don't have all the lessons, only
a half dozen pamphlets or so, but there were at least 34 of
them [I have lesson 34].
Oddly enough, I recognized a number of the te
teachings in those books. Some of them were familiar to
me from the teachings of Eckankar.
Another place where I saw the word was in the name of
an author called Drunvalo Melchizedek. He wrote some of
the books about: "The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life",
Vol. 1 & 2.
One has to consider the older Hebrew / Aramaic spelling
is changed through transliteration to English. Here is an
example: ts+d+q = Zadok. (2 Samuel 8:17, etc.) This word
appears in around 50 verses in the Old Testament. Whether
it was a "title", or a single "person" I am not prepared to say.
Here is more trivia:
tsdq - "Transliterated Hebrew spelling for the word/words
'righteous' [Genesis 38:26]; 'clear' [Genesis 44:16]; 'justify'
[Exodus 23:7]; 'righteousness' [Leviticus 19:15]; 'just' [Lev-
iticus 19:36]; 'justifying' [1 Kings 8:32]; 'cleansed' [Daniel 8:14];
'justice' [Proverbs 1:3]. Other definitions include: just, justified,
aquit. Associated spellings: tsadaq, tsedeq, sadaq; saddiq,
zaddik, zadok, sedeq, sedaqah."
I just downloaded a free software program that allows you
to search words in the Bible and where they appear. It gives
the Hebrew along with the Greek and English spellings.
Thought I had the link, but can't find it now. The program is
called: ISA 2 Basic. If interested you can do a search. It's a
Hope this helps.
Sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:05 pm
Subject: Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Dr. Stone: 7th Initiates Need
to Eliminate the Neg.
>Dr. Joshua David Stone (Ph.D in Transpersonal Psychology)
Hmmmmm so anybody can place "Dr." in front of their name and others are
What the muck a de muck muck is a Melchizedek, and does anyone really
"Melchizedek or Malki-tzédek (מַלְכִּי־צֶדֶק / מַלְכִּי־צָדֶק, Standard
Hebrew Malki-ẓédeq / Malki-ẓádeq, Tiberian Hebrew Malkî-ṣéḏeq /
Malkî-ṣāḏeq), sometimes written Malchizedek, Melchisedec, Melchisedech,
Melchisedek or Melkisedek, is a figure mentioned by various sects of
both Christian and Judaic traditions. He is commemorated as one of the
Holy Forefathers in the Calendar of Saints of the Armenian Apostolic
Church on July 30."
And Dr. Joshua David Stone web site says this: "Melchizedek is an
ancient Cosmic Being. Though he has lived on Earth, he was not born and
did not die. He serves with great love power and authority on the
cosmic level, not only Earth but our entire Universe. The Order of
Melchizedek includes all who elect to serve as guided by the divine =0
Poor lost souls following the quack doctor Stone and his ascension
masters.... They really should be following klempankar, it's a lot
easier to pronounce!