Klemp Recycled 1984 Info for TWEM!
- Klemp's "The Wisdom Notes" FALL 1984
talks about Columbus, Fubbi Quantz, and
the need for Protein in Europe! This is
repeated in Klemp's 2005 "Those Wonderful
ECK Masters" (TWEM) - 21 years later!
The Wisdom Notes - FALL 1984:
"Frankly, the human race is up against a
crisis as compelling as that which Fubbi
Quantz faced before the discovery of
The practice of the Spiritual Exercises of
ECK is about the only solution to meet it.
The problem in the late fifteenth century
was that nutrition of the European people
was in a shocking state.
The people had little energy left over after
the day's work for contemplation, the moment
of quiet which is the sweet drink of Soul.
FUBBI QUANTZ thus set into motion the
events that led COLUMBUS to sail his three
tiny ships westward into unknown waters
for the discovery of the Americas, where
abundant food could be gotten to revive
the food stock of the Old World." [end]
ME: So, What has Klemp done for people
in AMERICA who have less vacation time
and CONTEMPLATION time than their
EUROPEAN counterparts? It has been 21
years since HK first told this story about
the need for the "Spiritual Exercises" and
a time for "contemplation" by all people.
FUBBI intervened (on the outer -Lower Worlds)
for the higher GOOD and broke the Law of
Non-Interference, so why hasn't KLEMP done
anything? It's actually getting worse with
Klemp in charge!
Here's Klemp's quote from TWEM (page 87):
"... It was Fubbi Quantz who inspired Columbus
to sail to the Americas, to open the vast store-
house of new sorely needed sources of fruits,
grains, legumes, vegetables, and especially protein
It was then the late fifteenth century. In his
travels around Europe, Fubbi Quantz had witnessed
the appalling health of the European people.
It was in a shocking state.
They had little energy left over after a day's
work for contemplation or reflection, the moment
of quiet which is the sweet drink of Soul.
So Fubbi Quantz gave Columbus a vision one night.
In it he showed the potential of the New World.
This vision fired the imagination of Columbus and
thus set into motion the events that led him to sail
his three tiny ships westward into unknown waters.
In the Americas, then, European explorers found
BOTH PRECIOUS minerals and abundant stores of
life-giving foods. Thus, Fubbi Quantz revived the
food stock and nutrition of the Old World." [end]
History or Another PT/HK Distortion?
Columbus, Fubbi & Rebazar- A Search for Protein!
[From Message # 2946]
>The History Channel was recently showing "Columbus:
The Lost Voyage." It was interesting to see that Columbus
discovered the "New World," but Not the United States.
>This "New World" was actually the Dominican Republic,
and this is where Columbus sailed to on his first three
voyages. On his four and final voyage he landed in
South America (Venezuela). Way to go Reb and Fub!
>And, guess what else?! Columbus was a cruel, brutal, and
inhumane Governor to both the natives (he enslaved) and
to others under his charge.
>All Columbus cared about was mining gold and silver and
taking this back to Spain for his share. There was never any
mention of bringing back "protein." This is the true History
and facts (reality) of Columbus' voyages. The Rebazar and
Fubbi crap (ECK Legend) is a big fat lie and a distortion of Truth!
>BTW- I discovered that Europe already had access to corn,
or maze, so that wasn't a protein source that was needed.
>It is interesting that Columbus thought that God was speaking
to him... I guess that this "Divine Communication" justified his
actions regardless of who it harmed. Maybe this is why Klemp
uses this story to insert Rebazar and Fubbi. Khan "swooned"
so, therefore, he must be spiritually connected to Twitchell's
fake Eck masters too! It's all a ploy to use half-truths to make
the lie seem real.
>Delusion runs rampant throughout this country and the world!
It reminds me of what I see on American Idol Rewind when I see
these young people being told that they can't sing! LOL! It's so
obvious that most of these people (99%) can't sing, but they
actually believe that they can sing... and that they can sing well!
People, whom they trust, tell them that they can sing and they
come to believe this. Why would someone who loves them lie
to them?! Therefore, they tie their hopes and dreams to a star
and live in their fantasy land of delusion. But now, they are
awaken to the truth! They can't sing afterall! They get angry
and lash out, or cry, or continue to deny the truth. The same
applies to learning the truth about the fraud behind Eckankar
which includes the fake masters (lineage) and initiations.
> >"Legend-A nonhistorical or unverifiable story handed down
by tradition from earlier times and popularly accepted as
historical." [Random House, Webster's College Dictionary]
>KLEMP: "ECK legend, in fact, has it has it that Rebazar, along
with Fubbi Quantz, was involved with the inner guidance of
Chistopher Columbus." [Those Wonderful ECK Masters, pg.95]
>The earliest this EK legend/myth/lie was handed down is when
Twitchell first created it! This "in fact" is the real truth.
> >Also, notice how vague and wishy-washy Klemp is! Why wouldn't
the greatest Mahanta ever (HK) be able to travel back into time
and "see" this inner influence for himself, and then share or verify
this information (legend) with the public in this book?
> >Really! WHY can't HK verify this "LEGEND" with Rebazar and Fubbi
IF this really did occur?
> >Instead, Klemp PLAYS WITH WORDS as he implies that the
"ECK legend" is "fact." I once saw a magician "in fact" make
a jumbo jet disappear! But was it True? No, of course Not!
But, this story about Columbus, Rebazar and Fubbi is true
> >Why is it that this is being said to be "inner guidance" when
Columbus was Not an ECK Chela of Fubbi or Rebazar?
> >What happened to the ECK Spiritual Law of Non-interference?
> >These hypocrites and conmen need to get their stories
straight! That's probably why Klemp leaves so much wiggle
room for ECKists to fill-in the blanks via their imaginations.
> >So, I wonder how many ECKists really believe this crap?
> >It would, therefore, seem that Everything and Everyone
is influenced (on the inner) by all of these ECK Masters!
> >Do ECKists really believe this? This is what Klemp, in fact,
The ROD OF EK POWER & The Lower Worlds of KAL-
On another note - Oct. 22, 2007 falls on a Monday, but
Oct. 22, 2008 is on Wednesday due to leap year, and Oct.
22, 2009 is on Thursday, correct?!
> >I was just looking at when the day of the week that the "ROD"
could be passed. So, what will be the ploy of Klemp to fit this
into his plans? Monday Oct. 22 is After the seminar right!
Therefore it would be too late to announce it, or would HK
tell of this exchange in advance? It seems like time (midnight)
and date (Oct. 22) is a factor of something that is supposed to
happen on the higher "Inner" planes where there is no time or
space! WHY is that?
> >In fact, it's probably just another flaw in the historical "legend"
of Eckankar that Twitchell created in order to create a lineage
of Masters, thereby, validating himself as one of them.
> >mish wrote:
> > >Happy Columbus Day! : )
> > >In honor of Columbus Day, I am pulling up
this post from Jan. 2006 in which I cite HK
in his book "Those Wonderful ECK Masters"
giving credit to Fubbi Quantz for assisting
Columbus in discovering America. I think
it only fitting that we remember Fubbi and
Klemp when honoring Columbus! LOL!
> > >Here's the old post that shows how historically
incorrect Klemp and his org would like his chelas to be:
> > >"mishmisha9" wrote:
> > >
> > >Hi, All!
> > >I believe eckist parents need to be concerned
about what HK/Eckankar is teaching in regards
to history. From HK's newest book, "Those
Wonderful Eck Masters," page 87 comes this
> > >"Fubbi Quantz once served as the Mahanta,
the Living ECK Master. This was during the
time of Buddha, around the sixth century BC.
After completing his mission, he immortalized
his body and continues to serve the spiritual
needs of mankind. He later served as teacher
of Firdusi, the Persian poet, and was also the
spiritual guide of Columbus. It was Fubbi Quantz
who inspired Columbus to sail to the Americas,
to open the vast store-house of new sorely
needed sources of fruits, grains, legumes,
vegetables, and especially protein there.
> > >It was then the late fifteenth century. In his
travels around Europe, Fubbi Quantz had
witnessed the appalling health of the
European people. It was in a shocking state.
They had little energy left over after a day's
work for contemplation or reflection, the
moment of quiet which is the sweet drink
of Soul. So Fubbi Quantz gave Columbus
a vision one night. In it he showed the potential
of the New World. This vision fired the imagination
of Columbus and thus set into motion the
events that led him to sail his three tiny
ships westward into unknown waters. In
the Americas, then, European explorers
found both precious minerals and abundant
stores of life-giving foods. Thus, Fubbi
Quantz revived the food stock and
nutrition of the Old World."
> > >I don't know what HK is drinking/smoking
these days, but what a fairy tale he spins
here in his new book! But, in reality, this
story about the ECK Master Fubbi Quantz
clearly shows that this is all fakery and lies! LOL!
> > >But on a very serious note, how can Eckists
read this sort of stuff and continue to support
it? Come on, people, do a reality check and
get out of that crazy lying cult org!
> > >What Klemp is really selling is "service."
Fubbi is portrayed as doing a "service"
to mankind, and Klemp wants all eckists
now to do "service" for the mahanta's
mission. However, it seems the Law of
Noninterference is being overlooked
in this fabrication of history. Karma,
free will, and man's spiritual evolution
with that of Soul and of Spirit should
not be interfered with by fictional eck
masters, sometimes disguised as angels. LOL!
> > >Klemp's story about Fubbi is a myth--
it's a lie. Every eckist out there should
be highly embarrassed to have the public
reading this trash and distortion of historical
facts. Fubbi does not exist and never did,
as evidenced in Klemp's story in "Those
Wonderful ECK Masters!" This one fresh
example indicates the whole of eckankar
is filled with lies and distortions of truth
that any rational person cannot overlook.
Everything in eckankar needs to be questioned!
Sane people would view this book as a joke,
and shaking their heads, move on and away
from it as quickly as possible!
> > >Mish