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    Klemp s The Wisdom Notes FALL 1984 talks about Columbus, Fubbi Quantz, and the need for Protein in Europe! This is repeated in Klemp s 2005 Those Wonderful
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      Klemp's "The Wisdom Notes" FALL 1984
      talks about Columbus, Fubbi Quantz, and
      the need for Protein in Europe! This is
      repeated in Klemp's 2005 "Those Wonderful
      ECK Masters" (TWEM) - 21 years later!

      The Wisdom Notes - FALL 1984:

      "Frankly, the human race is up against a
      crisis as compelling as that which Fubbi
      Quantz faced before the discovery of
      America.

      The practice of the Spiritual Exercises of
      ECK is about the only solution to meet it.

      The problem in the late fifteenth century
      was that nutrition of the European people
      was in a shocking state.

      The people had little energy left over after
      the day's work for contemplation, the moment
      of quiet which is the sweet drink of Soul.

      FUBBI QUANTZ thus set into motion the
      events that led COLUMBUS to sail his three
      tiny ships westward into unknown waters
      for the discovery of the Americas, where
      abundant food could be gotten to revive
      the food stock of the Old World." [end]

      ***
      ME: So, What has Klemp done for people
      in AMERICA who have less vacation time
      and CONTEMPLATION time than their
      EUROPEAN counterparts? It has been 21
      years since HK first told this story about
      the need for the "Spiritual Exercises" and
      a time for "contemplation" by all people.
      FUBBI intervened (on the outer -Lower Worlds)
      for the higher GOOD and broke the Law of
      Non-Interference, so why hasn't KLEMP done
      anything? It's actually getting worse with
      Klemp in charge!
      ***

      Here's Klemp's quote from TWEM (page 87):

      "... It was Fubbi Quantz who inspired Columbus
      to sail to the Americas, to open the vast store-
      house of new sorely needed sources of fruits,
      grains, legumes, vegetables, and especially protein
      there.

      It was then the late fifteenth century. In his
      travels around Europe, Fubbi Quantz had witnessed
      the appalling health of the European people.
      It was in a shocking state.

      They had little energy left over after a day's
      work for contemplation or reflection, the moment
      of quiet which is the sweet drink of Soul.

      So Fubbi Quantz gave Columbus a vision one night.
      In it he showed the potential of the New World.

      This vision fired the imagination of Columbus and
      thus set into motion the events that led him to sail
      his three tiny ships westward into unknown waters.

      In the Americas, then, European explorers found
      BOTH PRECIOUS minerals and abundant stores of
      life-giving foods. Thus, Fubbi Quantz revived the
      food stock and nutrition of the Old World." [end]

      Prometheus

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      History or Another PT/HK Distortion?
      Columbus, Fubbi & Rebazar- A Search for Protein!

      [From Message # 2946]
      prometheus wrote:
      >
      The History Channel was recently showing "Columbus:
      The Lost Voyage." It was interesting to see that Columbus
      discovered the "New World," but Not the United States.
      >
      This "New World" was actually the Dominican Republic,
      and this is where Columbus sailed to on his first three
      voyages. On his four and final voyage he landed in
      South America (Venezuela). Way to go Reb and Fub!
      >
      And, guess what else?! Columbus was a cruel, brutal, and
      inhumane Governor to both the natives (he enslaved) and
      to others under his charge.
      >
      All Columbus cared about was mining gold and silver and
      taking this back to Spain for his share. There was never any
      mention of bringing back "protein." This is the true History
      and facts (reality) of Columbus' voyages. The Rebazar and
      Fubbi crap (ECK Legend) is a big fat lie and a distortion of Truth!
      >
      BTW- I discovered that Europe already had access to corn,
      or maze, so that wasn't a protein source that was needed.
      >
      It is interesting that Columbus thought that God was speaking
      to him... I guess that this "Divine Communication" justified his
      actions regardless of who it harmed. Maybe this is why Klemp
      uses this story to insert Rebazar and Fubbi. Khan "swooned"
      so, therefore, he must be spiritually connected to Twitchell's
      fake Eck masters too! It's all a ploy to use half-truths to make
      the lie seem real.
      >
      Delusion runs rampant throughout this country and the world!
      It reminds me of what I see on American Idol Rewind when I see
      these young people being told that they can't sing! LOL! It's so
      obvious that most of these people (99%) can't sing, but they
      actually believe that they can sing... and that they can sing well!
      People, whom they trust, tell them that they can sing and they
      come to believe this. Why would someone who loves them lie
      to them?! Therefore, they tie their hopes and dreams to a star
      and live in their fantasy land of delusion. But now, they are
      awaken to the truth! They can't sing afterall! They get angry
      and lash out, or cry, or continue to deny the truth. The same
      applies to learning the truth about the fraud behind Eckankar
      which includes the fake masters (lineage) and initiations.
      >
      Prometheus
      prometheus wrote:
      > >
      "Legend-A nonhistorical or unverifiable story handed down
      by tradition from earlier times and popularly accepted as
      historical." [Random House, Webster's College Dictionary]
      >
      KLEMP: "ECK legend, in fact, has it has it that Rebazar, along
      with Fubbi Quantz, was involved with the inner guidance of
      Chistopher Columbus." [Those Wonderful ECK Masters, pg.95]
      >
      The earliest this EK legend/myth/lie was handed down is when
      Twitchell first created it! This "in fact" is the real truth.
      > >
      Also, notice how vague and wishy-washy Klemp is! Why wouldn't
      the greatest Mahanta ever (HK) be able to travel back into time
      and "see" this inner influence for himself, and then share or verify
      this information (legend) with the public in this book?
      > >
      Really! WHY can't HK verify this "LEGEND" with Rebazar and Fubbi
      IF this really did occur?
      > >
      Instead, Klemp PLAYS WITH WORDS as he implies that the
      "ECK legend" is "fact." I once saw a magician "in fact" make
      a jumbo jet disappear! But was it True? No, of course Not!
      But, this story about Columbus, Rebazar and Fubbi is true
      right! LOL!
      > >
      Why is it that this is being said to be "inner guidance" when
      Columbus was Not an ECK Chela of Fubbi or Rebazar?
      > >
      What happened to the ECK Spiritual Law of Non-interference?
      > >
      These hypocrites and conmen need to get their stories
      straight! That's probably why Klemp leaves so much wiggle
      room for ECKists to fill-in the blanks via their imaginations.
      > >
      So, I wonder how many ECKists really believe this crap?
      > >
      It would, therefore, seem that Everything and Everyone
      is influenced (on the inner) by all of these ECK Masters!
      > >
      Do ECKists really believe this? This is what Klemp, in fact,
      is saying!
      > >
      *****
      The ROD OF EK POWER & The Lower Worlds of KAL-

      On another note - Oct. 22, 2007 falls on a Monday, but
      Oct. 22, 2008 is on Wednesday due to leap year, and Oct.
      22, 2009 is on Thursday, correct?!
      > >
      I was just looking at when the day of the week that the "ROD"
      could be passed. So, what will be the ploy of Klemp to fit this
      into his plans? Monday Oct. 22 is After the seminar right!
      Therefore it would be too late to announce it, or would HK
      tell of this exchange in advance? It seems like time (midnight)
      and date (Oct. 22) is a factor of something that is supposed to
      happen on the higher "Inner" planes where there is no time or
      space! WHY is that?
      > >
      In fact, it's probably just another flaw in the historical "legend"
      of Eckankar that Twitchell created in order to create a lineage
      of Masters, thereby, validating himself as one of them.
      > >
      Prometheus
      > >
      mish wrote:

      Hi, All!
      > > >
      Happy Columbus Day! : )
      > > >
      In honor of Columbus Day, I am pulling up
      this post from Jan. 2006 in which I cite HK
      in his book "Those Wonderful ECK Masters"
      giving credit to Fubbi Quantz for assisting
      Columbus in discovering America. I think
      it only fitting that we remember Fubbi and
      Klemp when honoring Columbus! LOL!
      > > >
      Here's the old post that shows how historically
      incorrect Klemp and his org would like his chelas to be:
      > > >
      > > >
      "mishmisha9" wrote:
      > > >
      Hi, All!
      > > >
      I believe eckist parents need to be concerned
      about what HK/Eckankar is teaching in regards
      to history. From HK's newest book, "Those
      Wonderful Eck Masters," page 87 comes this
      history lesson:
      > > >
      "Fubbi Quantz once served as the Mahanta,
      the Living ECK Master. This was during the
      time of Buddha, around the sixth century BC.
      After completing his mission, he immortalized
      his body and continues to serve the spiritual
      needs of mankind. He later served as teacher
      of Firdusi, the Persian poet, and was also the
      spiritual guide of Columbus. It was Fubbi Quantz
      who inspired Columbus to sail to the Americas,
      to open the vast store-house of new sorely
      needed sources of fruits, grains, legumes,
      vegetables, and especially protein there.
      > > >
      It was then the late fifteenth century. In his
      travels around Europe, Fubbi Quantz had
      witnessed the appalling health of the
      European people. It was in a shocking state.
      They had little energy left over after a day's
      work for contemplation or reflection, the
      moment of quiet which is the sweet drink
      of Soul. So Fubbi Quantz gave Columbus
      a vision one night. In it he showed the potential
      of the New World. This vision fired the imagination
      of Columbus and thus set into motion the
      events that led him to sail his three tiny
      ships westward into unknown waters. In
      the Americas, then, European explorers
      found both precious minerals and abundant
      stores of life-giving foods. Thus, Fubbi
      Quantz revived the food stock and
      nutrition of the Old World."
      > > >
      I don't know what HK is drinking/smoking
      these days, but what a fairy tale he spins
      here in his new book! But, in reality, this
      story about the ECK Master Fubbi Quantz
      clearly shows that this is all fakery and lies! LOL!
      > > >
      But on a very serious note, how can Eckists
      read this sort of stuff and continue to support
      it? Come on, people, do a reality check and
      get out of that crazy lying cult org!
      > > >
      What Klemp is really selling is "service."
      Fubbi is portrayed as doing a "service"
      to mankind, and Klemp wants all eckists
      now to do "service" for the mahanta's
      mission. However, it seems the Law of
      Noninterference is being overlooked
      in this fabrication of history. Karma,
      free will, and man's spiritual evolution
      with that of Soul and of Spirit should
      not be interfered with by fictional eck
      masters, sometimes disguised as angels. LOL!
      > > >
      Klemp's story about Fubbi is a myth--
      it's a lie. Every eckist out there should
      be highly embarrassed to have the public
      reading this trash and distortion of historical
      facts. Fubbi does not exist and never did,
      as evidenced in Klemp's story in "Those
      Wonderful ECK Masters!" This one fresh
      example indicates the whole of eckankar
      is filled with lies and distortions of truth
      that any rational person cannot overlook.
      Everything in eckankar needs to be questioned!
      Sane people would view this book as a joke,
      and shaking their heads, move on and away
      from it as quickly as possible!
      > > >
      Mish
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