Re: Eckankar: July 2005 Youth in ECK Letter of Light (1)
- Hi Ingrid,
This plea for truth seems to fall on Klemp's deaf ears!
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "ctecvie"
> Hello Prometheus,### And Fun! Freedom from Crap-in-Eck is sooooo good!
> this is sooo interesting once again! :-)
> <prometheus_973@y...> wrote:comment. This is the first question of the three... feel free to
> > I found the Q & A interesting and thought I would quote and
second guess the "master" or give a better response to the question
> Ah ... I think this won't be too difficult to find a betterresponse to the question! ;-))
### I wonder if the Eckists reading this will visualize their own re-
write of Klemp's answer? Do they dare! Or, maybe they could test
their own level of God-Realization by doing so?
> > (1)the inner that the ECK works always talk about but I have trouble
> > [Q] Kim:
> > "For a long time I have been wanting to find the connection on
finding. This has caused me to sometimes doubt ECKANKAR. I know it
is my fault because I don't do my spiritual exercises regularly,
While in Eckankar, I did my spiritual exercises faithfully every
day, no matter what! When I first heard that people didn't do them
regularly, I was amazed! I liked to do them but didn't have much
experiences either. So, not finding the connection has nothing to do
with how often the spiritual exercises are done! but I have recently
realized that I don't do them because I'm so scared that nothing
will happen and all my doubts will be justified,
> Ah, well - yes, do trust your intuition, please! :-))foundation of it. How can I overcome this problem?" --Kim, age 19
> >which would turn my world around since ECKANKAR is such a strong
> Don't worry Kim! Having the world turned around is quitebeneficial because we learn a lot of new things. Just go ahead and
try it yourself! :-))
### Yes Kim, free yourself from dogma, guidelines, and other
limitations of expression! Know that SPIRIT and SOUL aren't copy
protected words of the Eckankar cult, but are real none the less!
> > ***I find it interesting that this young person denies that theproblem is with Eckankar, but that's what we all did for all of
those years! Instead, we once again see that Eckists will accept the
guilt and shame and even the fear!
> Yes, the guilt is never with Eckankar! For them, it's a plain win-win situation. It's incredible to see how uniformized Eckists are -
you know them by their talk! By far the most of them mean well and
really do their best to fulfill what is asked from them! That's what
makes me so furious at times - they are used and abused to satisfy
an old (HK) man's greed to be worshipped. He feeds himself on this
### Yes, HK does use people for his own misdirected motives. I can
see why this young person is confused, but Eckists much older than
her are just as confused when reading about the inner eckperiences
of Phil Morimitsu or James Davis (who left Eckankar), and are
wondering why they aren't having these experiences as well. What's
wrong with me(?) they ask.
> > *** HK could tell this young Eckist that sometimes it only seemsthat nothing is happening, but on the inner there are many things
happening and many things unnoticed and not to worry.
> Many, many things happen on the inner and most often go unnoticed!This is a blessing in my view because that liberates us to enjoy
life and to do what has to be done in any given moment.
### Yes, this is where "knowingness" comes in along with a sense of
peace and a release from fear. One still needs to use good
judgment, caution, and common sense however!
> >*** The truth is there are things that happen on both the outerand inner with SPIRIT but it has nothing to do with Klemp or his
> HK won't tell them because this would rob him of many afollower ...
### True! Klemp needs his followers more than they need him!
Except.. I'm sure that Klump has a lot of money squirreled away for
retirement! I'll bet he and Joan take a lot of cruises!
> > [A] Klemp:out of living. During World War II..."
> > "Dear Kim, Fear is such a thing, isn't it? It takes all the fun
> > ***Okay, I'm not going to quote Klemp word for word it's tooboring. However, I find it unusual that Klemp talks about President
Roosevelt and his "Fireside Chat" yada yada to a 19 year old! Why
not put this message in a present day context? That's not asking too
much is it? Okay, it is for a fake master living in the past isn't
> It's definitely too much. But when has Klemp ever used a presentday context? Before I dropped out I found that soooo boring. There
was that famous WW 2003 talk where he didn't say anything that made
sense. I was still a member at the time and remember very well that
I was impatient and wished it was over! I didn't understand a thing
but thought of course that this was my fault! Only later when I read
the messages on ET I found out that apparently this was a memorable
talk because it definitely did not make sense at all! At the time I
even asked the fellow members of my eckist yahoogroup about if they
had had difficulties to understand the talk, and they said no. So I
thought it definitely was me who had a problem! :-)
### Well, can an Eckist admit that their Mahanta is losing it! How
can that be if he trully is "higher" and "greater" than the "God"
that all other religions worship! Where does that leave you? Sh_t
out of luck I guess!
> > [A] Klemp:get what you haven't got?
> > "So what can overcome fear? Self-confidence! Ah, but how do you
> But Klump!! She has more self-confidence than you think - but of### Right, she's beginning to figure out that something is wrong,
> course this is scary for you, so don't let her get away!!
but how can it be her and not the authority figure that she and her
family worships? Could all of these people be wrong? Well, just look
at how many voted for G.W.! Now compare that to the number of people
> > This is your challenge, Kim. If a cook wants to make soup,doesn't she have to put something into the pot?
> And why is the cook a "she"? Ah yes, I know - women can't becomethe mahanta, the LEM! So they need to guard the home and the
hearth ... or so. Isn't that so?
### Well, just look at how many women actually run things in
Eckankar. There are many more women involved with the organization
than men. The upper hierarchy of men are positioning themselves.
> > In your case and in that of every ECKist there must be even alittle bit of trust in the Mahanta, the Inner Master. Yes, that's
the leap of faith."
> I would say it's the leap from a bridge and an attempt at suicide!Remember your own story, Klump!
### Yes, quite a leap, but Not one of faith! Why did a good swimmer
choose the shallow end of the bridge near shore and with a cable
running into the water to grap hold of? It was just being nutty and
putting a spin on it because the incident was a matter of public
record and would be discovered eventually. So, beat the critics to
the punch and put a beneficial spin on it... of course!
> > ***Yes Kim, "someday," once you face this fear of Not having thelies of Eckankar and Klemp in your life, and start to follow your
intuition, and develop Self-confidence, "you'll wonder why you ever
waited so long." Ironically, one can sometimes find tiny tiny bits
of truth in Klemp's own words!
> There's even a great chunk of truth in those words! But notintentionally of course - HK isn't even aware of what he is saying
here, it seems!
### Klemp doesn't see what he is saying most of the time. And, who
would dare question him? Even the Pope is said to be infallible when
sitting on The Throne of St. Peter! And, according to the Eckankar
dogma that Twitchell created and Klemp promotes... the LEM/Mahanta
is the right hand of the SUGMAD (the God of Gods). But, saying so
and actually being ALL THAT are two very different things! Enjoy the
delusion while you can Mr. Klemp... your house is built upon sand!