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Klemp versus Jesus- Who's Greater?

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    What is the difference between Klemp and Jesus? Klemp has mimicked Twitchell s Mahanta spin/con, but why can t Klemp mimic Jesus? Doing requires more than
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      What is the difference between Klemp and Jesus?

      Klemp has mimicked Twitchell's Mahanta spin/con,
      but why can't Klemp mimic Jesus? "Doing" requires
      more than talk!

      Most of us know that Jesus' disciples or early (and later)
      followers were/are Not up to his example and teachings.
      Jesus could, also, Heal the sick and raise the dead. JC
      could give sight back to the blind, cure leprosy, and
      cast out demons!

      JESUS- "An ECK chela under Zadok, the ECK Master
      in Judea, who gave him the basic fundamentals of
      ECK, and out of this knowledge came what is known
      today as Christianity." [HK's Eckankar Lexicon, pg. 103]

      However, 2000 years later, 14th Initiate Klemp can't
      even "HEAL" his Temple volunteers and ESC Staffers
      or an H.I. "Board" Member of cancer! Catch-22!

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      Why do ECKists think their Eckankar is better than
      every other religion? That's what the other religious
      followers believe of their religions! Why do so many
      people in this day and age still need religion? It's
      because many people still need to feel special and
      important and secure. And, most people need others
      to lead them. The follower is looking for a leader
      that is more intelligent and knowledgeable (of God)
      and thereby "spiritual." This is why Klemp is a JOKE,
      but it also explains why HK promotes himself and
      his "titles" as he does!

      One tends to buy into a belief that answers the
      questions one has early on. Unfortunately, people
      tend to stay too long after their questions have been
      answered. And, others shop around for a group
      consciousness (church) that suits them. Some people,
      especially in Islamic countries, have no choice and
      have to go through the motions of faking belief and,
      sometimes, have bought (or been brain-washed)
      into the group's consciousness. Brain-Washing occurs
      within many religions... this works best for the true
      believer and is easier than rational/logical free thinking.

      Why do, especially, H.I. ECKists need to remain in
      their religion? Is it to spread the "good news" and/or
      to gather in more initiations? When do H.I.s no longer
      need a religion... not in this lifetime! Sure, there is
      what the EK scripture and dogma states, as well as,
      what the LEM preaches, but doesn't the individual
      Soul eventually come to "know" what's best for It!
      And, why is this a promise for another lifetime, except,
      for one or two (chosen) people? When does It (Soul)
      become free from needing an Initiation Number and
      a Belief in the words and promises of lower plane
      scripture?

      After all, aren't all "religions" No Higher than the 4th
      Plane! All ideas of belief, as well as, actions, thoughts,
      words, and feelings are of the Lower Planes! And,
      everyone has dreams and imagination. Why are ECKists
      more special because their imaginations are only
      different via specifics! That's ridiculous! It's fantasy!

      Isn't it true that "miracles" (healing, etc.) occur within
      and without religion! Why then do some religious believers
      think/feel that their religion is the cause of a non-believer's
      miracle?

      However, it seems most religious believers turn a blind
      eye to the miracles outside of their belief system because
      it is too difficult to explain "Why" their own blessed ones
      didn't/don't receive the "miracles." This seems to be the case
      with Eckankar and the way ECKists use karma to explain away
      inconsistencies.

      ECKists turn a blind eye toward the miracles outside
      of Eckankar while sharing stories of their own minor
      miracles that are no different from the common occurrences
      (miracles) of non-ECKists! Why is that? Perhaps, it is
      the need to believe! It's comfortable and easy! Individual
      responsibility (Self-Mastery) and true (Spiritual) Freedom
      requires Soul to become it's own leader/master. Besides,
      a Group's Consciousness will eventually become lower
      than one's own!

      But, one thing is true for all religions... might makes
      right... and the more members the better... because
      the "numbers game" means that their belief is the true
      belief! However, all religious leaders seem to need
      recognition and acceptance along with more power
      and money for their schemes to dominate (unify).
      Yes, it's always for another's own good and for the
      good of the whole... therefore the means by which
      total religious domination is accomplished is insignificant!
      And, it is promoted/promised that Eckankar is to become
      a/the World Religion... a goal just like the other 4th Plane
      religions have!

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      What is the difference between Klemp and Jesus?

      Klemp has mimicked Twitchell's Mahanta, but why
      can't Klemp mimic Jesus? "Doing" requires more than
      talk! Wasn't Jesus both an Outer and Inner Master?

      Most of us know that Jesus' disciples or early (and later)
      followers were/are Not up to his example and teachings.
      This is why Jesus was made into a God (like Klemp).
      However, Jesus could Heal the sick and raise the dead.
      JC (versus HK) could give sight back to the blind, cure
      leprosy, and cast out demons!

      JESUS- "An ECK chela under Zadok, the ECK Master
      in Judea, who gave him the basic fundamentals of
      ECK, and out of this knowledge came what is known
      today as Christianity." [HK's Eckankar Lexicon, pg. 103]

      However, 2000 years later, 14th Initiate Klemp can't
      even "HEAL" his Temple volunteers and ESC Staffers
      or an H.I. "Board" Member of cancer! Catch-22!

      Prometheus
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