Another Look at the 2008 EK Springtime Seminar
- View SourceHello All,
Here's another look at Klemp's simple
minded B.S. ECKists really need to "change"
their perspectives and a new paradigm
shift will naturally follow. H.I.s could try
an experiment (as proof and validation)
and look at HK's words more clearly and
without bias or color "as if" Klemp is Not
really what he claims to be.
Just see what happens! Actually, if it works
correctly one's face should become flush with
Next, ECKists just ask themselves... "How could
I have been so blind and stupid! I fell for another
religious con," or something along that vane!
Then, again, it might have more to do with being
"vain" and those position titles and initiation numbers!
This does more to muddle the H.I. mind than
Will the 973rd LEM (little Harry) finally mention
the passing of the 972nd LEM, Darwin Gross,
at the Oct. 2008 EWWS. If HK does mention it
will he then shift the topic to the appointment/
passing of the "Rod" to the new 12th and 974th
LEM, his wife, Joan?
There, now, seems to be an opening since Darwin
was never expelled by the Order of Vairagi EK Masters!
I wonder... When will the "Mahanta" spot become
vacated by Klemp (upon death like the Pope)?
Besides, we only have HK's word that he is a Mahanta,
and who can really trust his 4th (Mental) Plane explanations.
Actually, every LEM is a fake Mahanta! After all, Twitchell
created the title in Jan. 1969! I guess EK is anything and
everything a "follower" and "believer" wants and needs
to believe. LOL!
Klemp mentioned that he has fun making up names
(like Twitchell did). HK has a book of names that he
uses to substitute for the names of real people. PT
used the fictional names of Rebazar Tarzs and Sudar
Singh in place of the real Kirpal Singh. Klemp has fun
doing much the same.
Klemp also mentioned the somewhat passe Far Side
cartoon by Gary Larson and a stupid joke about horses
voting but only being able to say "nay." HK had to explain
the joke which made it even more stupid... because it's
so obvious and old. Klemp lives in the past!
BTW-This was HK's first time (out of three) he mentions horses.
Next, HK has a second story about horse, a boy, his friends
and a Zen Master. The story was a very stupid and narcissistic
one because the "Master" (HK) judges the boy with, "We'll see"
as though he is hoping more bad things will happen to the
boy. Thus, he can boast to everyone of his wisdom and
prophecy with, "see... I knew it!" Only Klemp is, also, on
a karmic timetable of "We'll see!"
Klemp mentions that "tension if good" and "this is the nature
of karma." Later on in his talk HK states that "tensions shape
us, make us, and bake us until we are done" like Krispy Kreme
Klemp also said something about the Holy Spirit (not the ECK)
manifesting as the Light and Sound and compelling someone
to take on the appearance of some human form in order to
communicate with the seeker's state of consciousness. Therefore,
the Holy Spirit could manifest many different Masters for
many different Seekers of different states of consciousness!
The sounds HK mentioned were the same ones Twit mentioned
Oh, Klemp mentions "surrender" in two different stories.
So, it would seem that ECKists aren't doing enough of this
either! However, this applies to, mostly, 6th initiates!
Klemp later mentions that he had fun picking the name
HaRUNI (like HaHaRUMI) from Nigeria and that he also likes
to pick "spiritual names." I wonder... did Klemp enjoy picking
his own "spiritual name?" Darwin picked the "WAH" and Klemp
picked the "Z!" That was fun wasn't it!
In the car/garage story Klemp mentions Click and Clack
who were once on PBS radio, I think, back in the late 1980's
and early 1990's. Who knows maybe they're still on! Klemp
is always living in the past. I think this story is, also, two years
old as well!
Toward the end Klemp for the third time mentions a horse
in a stupid story and the "nay" thing again! What humor!
No really, the story is stupid because neither this ECKist
or Klemp know anything about relationships. Deena was
projecting human characteristics upon her horse and felt
the horse didn't love her when he said "nay" (for no) and
walked away from her. Deena (all teary eyed) said, "That's
okay, I love you with all of my heart and being." The horse
came back to her.
And Klemp states, "This was an expression of Divine
Love with no strings attached and this is the way it is
with human love too" and that "people shy away from
love with attachments. It's a form of White Magic!" First,
this ECKist is stupid, lonely, and needy and typical of those
Klemp is looking to control via surrender, materials sales,
and Vahana work which equals $$$!
However, HK uses a form of Black Magic because he has
"Strings Attached" to everything ECK like that next Settler
Position via Training, ass kissing, brown nosing, guidelines,
etc.. And there are "Strings Attached" to that next Initiation
and "Level" of CONsciousness! :-)
ECKists Should Not Ever Forget Klemp's comments in
the March 2008 H.I. Letter about 8th Initiates being upon
the "threshold" to "Spiritual-Realization" versus "God/Sugmad-
Realization." If these aren't NEW "Strings Being Attached" then
what is?! This is Bait and Switch... Black Magic! Tell them
more stupid stories Mr. Klemp, but don't expect as much
laughter as the last time... at least from your H.I.s!
Klemp's Springtime Seminar talk had no surprises.
Klemp was typically dull and redundant while dwelling
in the past. And, of course, he had the minimum of
two "African" stories in order to placate Eckankar's
large Nigerian community.
BTW-This is just a brief review... more later!
Of course there was another automotive story of
a car breaking down (ho hum) and of a mechanic
who received "divine" inspiration on how to fix it
in a dream with a "White" guy who can't even do his
own brake job! Maybe it was more a "Zen" thing?
More horse'in around? Maybe we're on the "threshold"
to seeing another horsey... you know like in The Four
Horsemen of the...! Read into it anything you want...
fill-in the blanks, connect the dots, imagine and
Second Guess the Mahanta's (HK's) generalized &
non-specific ramblings. That's what he's counting
on as chelas are distracted more and more as time
goes by and by. Other religious leaders play the same
game with their blind, deaf & dumb believers. Why do
ECKists imagine they are any different from the rest
of the ignorant masses? They've lost their perspective,
but have too much time invested to give it all up... it
really comes down to ego not being able to admit to
mistakes or to let go and let Soul!
I really liked the story HK told about the "financial planner"
using her "expertise" to help battered women to overcome
their "anxiety" attacks. Apparently her real "expertise" was
similar to a typical fundamentalist "Bible Thumper" when
she had the woman chant HU. The results were the same
as prayer. Read the thousands of Christian testimonials!
So, what does this tell us about the HU chant and prayer?
Both seem to have the same physical, mental, emotional
and even "spiritual" results! Really, just Google it!
Oh, btw, Klemp said something about a woman in Florida
being an Eco-tour guide and how these tours attempt to
leave as small of an environmental "footprint" as possible,
and even try to improve upon things in the environment.
This is B.S.! I Googled this and saw where one Florida
eco-tour leaves Orlando, FL. (by BUS) and drives the
people to Naples, FL for a boat ride where they look at
the expensive homes and some dolphins. Then the Bus
takes them to Marco Island for high-speed Air Boat rides
in the Everglades... the Bus eventually takes them back
Now how does this large Bus and the large Boat and the
High-Speed Air Boat rides leave a small environmental
footprint? Just look at the fuel used and the emissions put
into the air! These "Eco-tours" are just a Florida Tourism
thing! So, Why didn't the "All-Seeing & All-Knowing" Mahanta
"see" and "know" this? Doesn't HK have any intuition or a 360
degree view or any special powers and awareness? Nope!
Many ECKists will think that this is a trivial point I'm making,
about these so-called "Eco-Tours" but chelas should really
think about it. If Klemp isn't able to show any real (unimagined)
proof of his claims then Why give him Blind Belief? ECKists can
give anyone and everyone the benefit of the doubt forever,
especially, when they are desperate and needy!
It was interesting, too, when telling this story that the
tour guide (Ginger) needed to have prepared herself
"spiritually" rather than "physically" and this is the reason
as to Why one tour was cancelled.
Why is it always about Klemp or his ECKists instead of
being about others? There are more sides to this story
than the one Klemp is giving! What were the children
and their parents going through in order to better prepare
them for this "eco-tour" as well? Klemp's narrow-minded
one dimensional view is also very self-centered and
a narcissistic way of looking at life. Eckankar is becoming
more and more like other do-good feel-good religions!
Anyway, after these comments Klemp responded to a baby
crying in the far back corner of the hall by saying, "Yes, I
understand." Of course, How could Klemp "understand?"
Unless, HK was relating to the possibility of a soiled diaper
and his need for a "restroom" break!