Re: The Telephone Game
- Liz wrote:
"One of my siblings took a "History Of Religions" class in college
a couple years ago. This was when she actually did some back
ground research on eckankar. (snip)
I left the teachings almost 5 yrs ago, but it took my sister longer
to find her way out. The class she took, as well as her instructor,
pushed her to research eckankar not only from a members
perspective, but with a neutral look into it's history. When she
started looking for info on the net, that was when she actually
realized there was more to my leaving the path and being disowned
by my entire family because of it, than she understood."
This is a good point about studying the history of any religion. It
requires a neutral look in order to understand. Several months ago I posted
about the enjoyable interviews that Bill Moyers did on his PBS program discussing
Faith and Reason with individuals of varying views on religion. It was a really good
program because it highlighted how and why there is so much conflict between
religious believers and critical thinkers. The biggest flaw with religion is
that those who are the leaders of a religious group require the obedience of
non-thinking. Religions for the most part depend on faith--hence, so many
prayers are sent out. But for the most part followers are being preyed upon!
Another point is that it seems sinful to criticize a religion for its practices.
For that reason few seem concerned enough to truly protect the little
children (young girls) who were removed from that fundamentalist cult in Texas.
Some professionals believe returning them to their families is in the children's
best interest, along with some educating! Yeah, right! That is a very insidious
cult group whose main doctrine is to make girls/women into sex slaves.
Which is another point about man-made religions: men generally use
church doctrine to manipulate and control women. Why do women fall this?
Yes, I know there are many female RESAs in eckankar--but that is really
just like putting women in the kitchen to cook while the men are
watching the Super Bowl! The RESAs are doing Klemp's work and
cleaning up after him! Other than Joan, the H.I. eck women without a
doubt have hit the glass ceiling! To be greater, they have to come
back to this life--but need to choose a male body next time! LOL!
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth"
> Prometheus wrote:
> Anyway, students of religion, of history, and of man
> can see where and how religion has progressed and
> increased its hold on people and has changed throughout
> world history. Religion can be a complicated topic with
> one's personal beliefs and experiences mixed in with
> those of others. Religion includes myth, superstition,
> tradition and a hodge-podge of other things according
> to culture.
> The bottom line is that each of us should have our own
> personal and private religion and be that religion's leader!
> The group and mob mentality to conform (group think)
> and directed by "leaders" is not a path to freedom. Religious
> hierarchies have the same purpose as the non-secular
> political hierarchies they were modeled after. It's to control!
> ..... One of my siblings took a "History Of Religions" class in college a
> couple years ago. This was when she actually did some back ground research
> on eckankar. For those of you not familiar with our family history as eck
> members; I was a member of eckankar from the age of 12. Spent a little
> over 30 yrs. as a member. Our entire family joined late 1971, to include
> grandparents, parents and my 3 siblings and myself. I used to boast about
> coming from a four generation family of eckists.... (rolling my eyes!)
> I left the teachings almost 5 yrs ago, but it took my sister longer to find
> her way out. The class she took, as well as her instructor, pushed her to
> research eckankar not only from a members perspective, but with a neutral
> look into it's history. When she started looking for info on the net, that
> was when she actually realized there was more to my leaving the path and
> being disowned by my entire family because of it, than she understood. I
> was the black sheep of the family and was warned not to communicate with me
> or listen to anything I had to say! What was more upsetting to them the
> most was the fact that they always thought of me as the one more DEVOTED and
> unlikely to leave in the first place! So for me to leave, rocked them to
> their core, as it did many eck members in my local area and on the Internet
> / eck chat groups.
> I completely agree with Prometheus! The bottom line is, I am my own
> personal and private religion and leader.... I need no middle man to have
> connection and experiences with spirit! No one needs to guide me, save me,
> or take me to the next level of the god worlds. No one is higher, better or
> more spiritual than the next guy!
> I'm really enjoying the current conversations taking place here. And of
> course Etznab you impress me with each new topic you bring to the group.