Re: EK Levels of Con. & Initiation... No Virgin ...
- Hi Etznab and All,
From what I read I didn't see any disclaimer.
Twitchell seems to brag about the Shariyat
coming from the highest source of truth down
through all time. Most seekers who become
ECKists want to hear the things PT had to say.
Then again, many young people want to believe
in Harry Potter too.
If Twitchell did say what you claim then maybe
this attempt at honesty was to, perhaps, clear
his conscience while, also, giving the reader fair
warning that many things they were about to read
were fictional and myth and Not really gospel. This
way Twitchell washes his hands of any guilt and
karma related to his trickery. But, then again, it's
a win/win for everyone. Twitchell has a vocation
and money and gets to be a big shot back home
and can feel important for once by giving misfits
and outcasts some hope. This is the "win" part
for ECKists... those "high" initiation numbers
and the expansion of their imaginations and egos
to protect them from the Truth... that they can't handle!
However, the Virgin Birth story (myth) is one that
Twitchell tells of himself. He was born on a riverboat
and there were blue flowers (of the Mahanta) near his
mother who was a Virgin (like Jesus' mother the Virgin
Mary). And PT was later found floating on the Mississippi
River (like Moses).
I'm rather surprised that ECKANKAR (since Twitchell)
hasn't celebrated Paul's "Virgin" Birth instead of just
his birth on Oct. 22.
As with the Christian Bible ECKists are told the Shariyat
is the Highest Truth, therefore, why would ECKists
question anything contained in this source of truth?
Thus, the Virgin Birth requirement for the Mahanta
must be true... making Klemp a fraud.
> In the Intro. to the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, Book One,
> Paul Twitchell included the words "legends", "stories",
> "allegories" & "fables" concerning the writing. At least,
> that appeared in the 1997 version. The Shariyat, Book
> One, includes the section on "virgin birth".
> What is missing, in my opinion, are the indicators
> about what is legend, story, allegory, or fable, etc. It
> might seem that part would have to be determined by
> the reader. There might be some, but I doubt that very
> many Eckists would argue Harold Klemp was "born of
> a virgin".
> Personally, I don't believe the "virgin birth" subject
> is a literal truth. I would call it something else. Also,
> I'd suspect that Paul Twitchell and others "borrowed"
> from "existing beliefs" when putting together history
> for the teachings. Afterall, The Far Country, by Paul
> Twitchell, is not the only Eckankar book with text &
> sections similar to teachings that were already then
> in existence, or in print. A number of teachings one
> can find in other books by other authors - like Julian
> Johnson, etc. - show up in numerous places through-
> out the Eckankar literature. Including the Shariyat-Ki-
> Knowing this, it has become evident to me that the
> outer teachings known as Eckankar are not all novel
> ideas created by Paul Twitchell. Some are borrowed,
> As for much of the legends and myths, personally
> I'd suspect that some of them were "borrowed" too. I
> don't know exactly where the "virgin birth" idea came
> from, but having looked at a lot of religious history &
> world mythology I know that "virgin birth" it's not a
> completely novel idea.
> I remember the first time I read about the HU and
> the way it was described by that Sufi guy. Also, the
> way it was described in some places by both Julian
> Johnson and Paul Twitchell. If you gave the text and
> didn't mention the name Hazrat Inayat Kahn, most
> people new to Eckankar could probably claim that
> part of the description (see link) came from Paul
> Twitchell when, in fact, part of the description was
> already in existence in at least two different places.
> This is what I meant by "borrowed" from teachings
> already in existence.
> Scroll down to the 10th paragraph on this link and
> tell me if that sounds at all familiar to what you read
> in Eckankar.
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