Additionally, Steve R has stated that he attends seminars to see HK in
the flesh so that it will confirm the 90% experiences he has on the
inner with the scrawny mahanta! Interesting that Steve R does admit
to some doubt about his 90% inner experiences and needs to travel
the long highway in the physical to meet up with old HK! LOL! Why the
doubt? Maybe, Steve R still has a chance to get out before it is too
Also, by stating that the eck teachings are really on the inner, I guess
that 10% amount on the outer is really nothing. I mean those outer
initiations are meaningless, especially, if you are a lower initiate and
are being given higher initiations on the inner. Of course, if the spiritual
exercises aren't working for a chela and there is little inner experience,
I guess the chela is really left out in the cold but for spending all that
money on membership dues, books and other eck materials, and junk,
plus working their arse off to get recognized--being go-fors!
I wonder if those lonely, single eckists have figured out why they do
not have relationships with significant others, why it is so hard to
find someone to enjoy life with? Well, it could be all those ugly pics
of HK strung all over their homes, their cars, their wallets, etc. Plus,
I doubt if anyone outside of eckankar would find going to a seminar
in Minneapolis as a fun vacation thing to do. All that
eck babble certainly would put a "normal" critical thinking individual
off! : )
Just a little heads up for someone like Steve R who is looking for a relationship
and hoping that nice guys do finish first! Get out of eckankar and see
what opportunities will evolve! I think Sword (Paul) had a significant and
positive life change when he did!
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
> Hi, Prometheus and All!
> This is an interesting post about the inner and outer confusion that
> eckists seem to experience--obviously created by the cult eck
> teachings/techniques in order to fool chelas. Too bad because it is so
> disruptive to "normal" life, and makes those who are drifting off into
> the inner worlds frequently and on purpose, all the more delusional!
> Out of sync with the real world. There's simply not enough institutions
> and therapists to help these delusional minds as is evidenced by HK
> being released from the mental institution, freeing him to become the
> lying con man he is! LOL!
> Prometheus' questions about why chelas go to the bother and expense
> of traveling to seminars, paying membership dues and so forth, when
> most of the action is taking place on the inner planes, well, here is an
> answer that Steve R posted on HuChat that explains why he goes to
> seminars, and shows how he is attempting to smooth over the lies about how
> HK received the rod of eck power (which is not real; it's only imaginary
> anyway--LOL), but Steve R's post is a very good example of a delusional
> mind, one of many in the eck fold. It is interesting that eckists like Niels
> are commenting on Darwin passing the rod of eck power to HK; Darwin
> previously having received it from Rebazar so this is eck history difficult
> to explain away. Yet it is so fascinating that this doesn't seem to trouble
> eckists like Steve R at all! Here's the little discussion between Niels and
> Steve R:
> "Niels-Jul Yrvin wrote:
> About The rod
> May be I am wrong but to me Darwin got the Rod from Rebazar Tarz. I started
> my ECK life in 1988 and the information that reached me was that Darwin
> himself transferred the rod of ECK power to Sri Harold. Sorry if I am wrong
> about this.
> Take care in ECK
> You are not wrong. I joined Eckankar in 1975 and was able to meet and
> shake hands with the Living ECK Master of the time that year. It was a
> special event in my life. A few years later, when the Rod of Power was
> passed to Sri Harold quite a few people had real trouble with the
> transition. Many were attached to the outer personality of the former
> Living ECK Master, and had great difficulty following the Mahanta.
> One of the things I am very grateful for is the way Sri Harold tries to
> separate his own personality from his role as the Mahanta, the Living
> ECK Master. He no longer goes out like a politician to shake hands and
> gain favor on that level. He has really emphasized our reliance on his
> role as the inner master. When, at some time in the future he needs to
> pass the Rod of Power on to the next Living ECK Master, I expect the
> transition will be smoother.
> Over the years I have seen many spiritual teachers and talked to the
> followers of many paths. Most of the time, it seems to me, the loyalty
> of the followers is more to the "cult of personality" . Eckankar is 90%
> on the inner.
> By the way, I have been able to shake hands with Sri Harold many times
> on the inner, in dreams and in contemplation.
> With Love in ECK,
> How do eckists reconcile that Darwin received the rod of eck power from
> Rebazar? How do they reconcile that Darwin passed it on to HK--and then
> Darwin is kicked out of eckankar? How do these lies right under the chelas
> noses continue to be disregarded?? Only delusional minds could know this
> and continue to believe in HK and the eck teachings?
> Funny, too, that Steve R doesn't see himself as having a "cult personality"
> --but it would be too painful, I guess. Those krispy creme donuts must
> be consoling during his 10% time spent on the outer! LOL!
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
> <prometheus_973@> wrote:
> > In Eckankar there are supposed to be
> > Only "Two Attributes of the Godhead"
> > the "OUTER" (Saguna) and the "INNER"
> > (Nirguna).
> > However, most Eckists don't understand
> > the difference between the Real "Outer"
> > and the Real "Inner!" They don't see that
> > the Inner Planes are a part of the "Outer."
> > SAGUNA is "the OUTER SIDE of the SUGMAD"
> > (With Qualities) and has "eternal reality,
> > consciousness, and joy experienced at
> > God-Realization." [EK Lexicon pg.178]
> > However, SAGUNA BRAHM is "LORD SOHANG,
> > ruler of the SAGUNA LOK, the upper division
> > of the Mind Plane, or the ETHERIC PLANE,
> > Who has Jurisdiction Over ALL Entities and
> > Beings Living On This Plane." [pg.178]
> > Therefore, God-Realization is experienced
> > under the Jurisdiction of LORD SOHANG and
> > on the ETHERIC PLANE (SAGUNA LOK) and
> > this is "the OUTER SIDE of the SUGMAD."
> > Also, this "Outer Side of the Sugmad" is
> > experienced via "SAGUNA SATI."
> > "SAGUNA SATI. The Instant, or Direct Technique
> > for Soul Travel; Direct Projection; the ability
> > to move out of the physical body at will into
> > the higher states of consciousness." [pg.178]
> > It should, also, be noted that Eckists are
> > told that the Saguna Sati technique is used
> > to read Soul Records and that these records
> > are fanned out like playing cards. However,
> > don't forget that this is for the Etheric Plane
> > and that this is considered "the OUTER SIDE
> > of the SUGMAD."
> > Remember, LORD SOHANG is "The Lord of
> > the land of BHANWAR GUPHA, the ETHERIC
> > PLANE; the Great Power Current [the ECK]
> > Flows Through Him into this Region and
> > downward; the name means 'I Am That!'
> > See also SAGUNA BRAHM; Worlds of ECK (illus)."
> > [EK Lexicon, pg. 192]
> > "SOHANG ECK. The Sound Like That of a
> > Keen FLUTE which is heard on the ETHERIC
> > PLANE, BHANWAR GUPTA." [pg. 192]
> > BUT WAIT! I just went to the WORLDS OF
> > ECK (illus) on page 232 and guess what the
> > SOUND is for the ETHERIC PLANE... THE
> > BUZZING OF BEES! The FLUTE SOUND is for
> > the SOUL PLANE!
> > Wasn't Klemp's "Intuition" working for him
> > when he copied this misinformation and
> > contradiction down?! What a moron! He's
> > just Not a detail person!
> > BTW- I just saw where Klemp states that
> > in the "WORLDS OF THE CHELA the THREE
> > WORLDS ARE:
> > the HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS,
> > the PSYCHIC CONSCIOUSNESS, and the
> > SPIRITUAL CONSCIOUSNESS;
> > ALL THREE ARE LIVED IN SIMULTANEOUSLY
> > AND SINGULARLY." [EK LexiCON, pg.233]
> > Anyway, I thought I'd post this for some
> > of the deluded Eckies out there like Stever
> > on HU-CHAT who imagines he's operating
> > 90% of the time on the "Inner." Even if he
> > operated in the "Psychic Consciousness"
> > 90% of the time why does he travel and
> > communicate so much on the "Outer" (physical)?
> > Why does Steve R. physically travel to all of those
> > EK seminars and EK business meetings, or physically
> > use the computer and telephone as much as he does
> > for EK business?! Why should any Eckist? Why not
> > Meet on the "Inner" with the RESA and the other
> > 6ths and 7ths?!
> > Why not have Meetings or Regional and Major EK
> > Seminars on just the "INNER?" And WHY the EK
> > focus on the Physical HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS
> > (MONEY, SALES, WORDS) instead of upon the
> > "INNER" PSYCHIC CONSCIOUSNESS or upon the
> > SPIRITUAL CONSCIOUSNESS? See! Stever's as
> > deluded and as much a phony as is Klemp!
> > Or, maybe Steve R. thinks other Eckists aren't
> > advanced enough to travel and communicate
> > with him on those "inner" Planes. Of course
> > that Astral Region is a large one... Klemp, too,
> > has been lost there for ages!
> > Then again, according to the definition of SAGUNA
> > the "Inner" Klemp preaches of is really the "OUTER."
> > Even "Inner Planes" are With Qualities whereas NO
> > Thing is Without Qualities. Only Soul, and Soul alone,
> > can come to understand the true Inner Nirguna
> > (without qualities). Otherwise, it's just a lot of
> > doubletalk!
> > TRUTH doesn't require the help of a middleman
> > Mahanta/preacher or his books!
> > Prometheus
> > p.s.
> > Don't forget Klemp's 2007 EWWS Message for the
> > HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS... "Restrooms Are Unisex!"
> > What consciousness was the "Change is Change" for?