Behind The Scenes With Harold Klemp
- Behind The Scenes With Harold Klemp
What was happening "Behind the Scenes
With Harold Klemp" in the latter part of 1998?
In the previous 09/1998 EK Wisdom Notes
Klemp tried to give justification as to Why he
thinks he is a "14th" Circle "Full" Mahanta by
saying he "inherited" the position while those
like Sudar Singh and Darwin Gross had only
This "carved-in-stone" lock on one's spiritual
growth, somehow, "sealed their fate" to Only
become 12th Circle LEMs! However, this is
contrary to the LAW of SPIRITUAL GROWTH.
And, there is no proof, anywhere, of what Klemp
states as being true, or that he is a real ECK
Master since he was "appointed" by a "Black
Magician" Darwin Gross!
Now, only two months later, Klemp is giving
another argument, in the 12/1998 EK Wisdom
Notes, as to why he is a Mahanta and Others
Weren't, and Will Not Be in the Future!
HK: "1. The First Five Spiritual LEADERS of
Modern-Day ECKANKAR.... Rather than being
a person, it is MORE accurate to call it a STAGE,
ME: Already Klemp is changing the story! He
must be making it up as he's writing it down.
HK: "This POSITION may be filled by FIVE or
MORE SUCCESSIVE ECK Masters (Twelfth
Circle of ECK Initiations) who will serve as Living
ECK Master BEFORE the next Mahanta, the
Living ECK Master (Fourteenth Circle) comes
to fill the FIFTH POSITION."
ME: Is this HK's version of "Consciousness
Five?" Doesn't this, also, apply to AFTER the
Last Mahanta?! Klemp has previously stated
in the 09/1998 Wisdom Notes that Twitchell was
"a Mahanta!" That means that neither DG
or himself were/are 14th Circle Mahantas since:
"THIS POSITION MAY BE FILLED BY FIVE or
MORE SUCCESSIVE ECK MASTERS (TWELFTH
CIRCLE of ECK INITIATIONS) BEFORE THE
NEXT MAHANTA... (FOURTEENTH CIRCLE)"
Klemp tried to confuse people by having them
assume that he was a Mahanta, but who says
he is?! DG never proclaimed HK a Mahanta.
The blue carnation thing is just EK tradition.
Gail presented DG with one in Oct. 1971!
However, HK stated that PT was a Mahanta
and that 5 to 7 "successive" others will be 12th
Circle LEMs BEFORE the next Mahanta!
This means that the 972nd, 973rd, 974th, 975th
and 976th (and maybe the 977th & 978th) LEMs
are of the 12th Circle and are Not 14th Circle
Mahantas! Klemp continues his "as if" delusion
and gives the reason for why the World Does
Not need a Mahanta since world consciousness
HK: "The reason? The coming of the next Mahanta
of the Fourteenth Circle depends upon Spiritual
need. All Souls, in all Universes, determine That
Need, for as the Group Entity their Spiritual Progress
is the Final Key. Will this Group Entity stay on the
Fast Track to God or Stop along the Path to Rest?
IT HAS CHOSEN REST."
ME: Interesting, that Klemp is giving the reason
as to Why he's NOT a Mahanta!
HK: "Free Will allows the Group Entity, and all
the individuals within it, to go at their own speed.
Earth is a Reflection of the Universal Group Entity.
Current Events since then have seen a gradual
Sow-Down of people's Spiritual Drive as Evidenced
in a renewed interest in WARFARE and SOCIAL
WELFARE. Until these Souls are ready to shoulder
their Own Responsibilities again, THEY'LL REST."
ME: I guess this was, also, Klemp's excuse for
Slowing-Down the ECK Initiations! It does make
sense, especially, since he's just a 12th Circle
LEM and Not a FULL 14th Circle Mahanta!
On the other hand... doesn't this lower consciousness
World need a boost, or balanced out with individuals
having Higher Initiations/Consciousness?! Klemp
messed up on that one too! Catch-22!
HK: "So FIVE or SEVEN Living ECK Masters
of the Twelfth Circle will SERVE SUCCESSIVELY
in the FOURTH LEADERSHIP STAGE, or POSITION,
UNTIL THE TIME IS RIGHT. AFTER THAT COMES
THE NEXT MAHANTA, the Living ECK Master
of the Fourteenth Circle."
ME: With all of the "Warfare" and "Social Welfare"
taking place Here and Now it seems like the
Universe is still NOT Yet Ready for a 14th Circle
Mahanta. This is from Klemp's own mouth! So,
Why does Klemp claim to be a 14th Circle Mahanta?
Once again, Klemp is taking the position that he
is a Mahanta and that there will be 5-7 after him
who will be only 12th Circle LEMs. BUT what's
good for the goose is good for the gander (a witticism
Klemp has used)!
Who NOW says Klemp is a Mahanta... Klemp
does! Otherwise, it's called Second Guessing
or Assuming "as if" he is!
However, according to Klemp's own words and
criteria of "inherit" versus "appoint" TWITCHELL
WAS A MAHANTA, therefore, 5-7 12th CIRCLE
LEMs will fill the EK Leadership position BEFORE
another 14th Circle Mahanta will come on the
scene! Therefore, Klemp's own words prove
that he is a 12th Circle LEM... Case Closed!
A Key in seeing through HK's flawed logic is
by his own admission, in the 09/1998 EK Wisdom
Notes, that Twitchell was also a 14th Circle Mahanta!
Therefore, when looking at "Warfare and Social
Welfare," of the Lower World Consciousness, it
would seem we are Not ready for a Mahanta!
Therefore, (by HK's own criteria) After Twitchell,
there should be "5 or 7 Successive 12th Circle
LEMs BEFORE the next 14th Circle Mahanta."
Maybe this is why PT mentioned there was
500-1,000 years between LEMs & Mahantas.
Why shouldn't Klemp see that the same standard,
he created (5 or 7 successive 12ths before next
14th) shouldn't apply to both Darwin and to himself?
Shouldn't there be 12th Circle LEMs After Twitchell...
a 14th Circle Mahanta? How often did Twitchell claim
that a Mahanta comes onto the scene... I believe
PT (at first) said every 500 to 1,000 years, and
Klemp edited this and made it 5 to 1,000 years.
So why this controversy with the LEM/Mahanta
position? Well, it's because Before 1969 there
weren't ANY 14th Circle Mahantas! In the Beginning
(1965) there was only the "living Master" title. Later,
it was changed to the "Living ECK Master" title!
Then came the "LEM/Mahanta" title (in 1969),
and Klemp, later, Flip-Flopped it to the "Mahanta/LEM."
Other editing has changed the original context
in the Shariyats too!
However, if one looks at some of the unedited
EK text it appears that every LEM is also a Mahanta.
Twitchell's ECKANKAR Dictionary, for "LEM,"
will at the end refer the reader to: "See Mahanta
Consciousness." There is No "Mahanta" title
Listed by Twitchell in the his 1973 Eckankar
Dictionary, and the definition for "Mahanta
Consciousness" Does Not mention the "full force"
of that (position) or the "14th" Circle of Initiation!
Klemp has made the "Mahanta Consciousness"
into a "Full 14th" Circle "Fifth Position."
Klemp edited Paul's description for the Living ECK
Master title. This is another ploy to make himself
a 14th Circle Mahanta when he was just a 12th
Circle LEM like Darwin Gross and Sudar Singh...
so he claims. The real truth is that they are all of
the 0 (zero, circle) of Consciousness.
LET ME POINT OUT THAT KLEMP IS NOT SAYING
THAT HE IS MAKING A PROPHECY ON THESE 5 or
7 LEMs. AND, HE'S NOT EVEN BEING PRECISE
WHEN HE SAYS 5 "OR" 7! DOES THIS MEAN THAT
EITHER THE 6TH OR 8TH LEM "AFTER" HK WILL
ALSO BE A MAHANTA, BUT NOT THE 7TH or 9TH?
Oh well, who's going to care by then!
With Klemp, Treachery and Hypocrisy is a Promise
of Love coming from a Mouth of Lies.
p.s.- When did HK start to wear glasses? Did
HK once wear contacts out of vanity, and before
this was asked of him in an Initiate Report?
I noticed that in the 09/1998, 12/1998, and 03/1999
EK Mystic World that HK wore glasses in the
front page photos, but in the Wisdom Notes
"official photo" that he didn't!