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  • Non ekster
    Yes, and I guess what I am saying is that we aren t a god. I think that would be just more delusion. We are alive, and we is what we is, human. sometimes I
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      Yes, and I guess what I am saying is that we aren't a god. I think
      that would be just more delusion. We are alive, and we is what we is,
      human. "sometimes I just sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sit"

      Nonekster

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "mishmisha9"
      <mishmisha9@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi, Non ekster and All!
      >
      > I think you make a good point about being your own god man.
      > I prefer the little "m" master to big "M" Master in reference to myself.
      > I believe in the spark of God within that guides me, but the
      responsibility
      > of my actions and beliefs fall on me--my being responsible for whatever
      > I do or say. But I suppose that stressing that one is his own Master
      rather
      > than depending/needing a Godman helps those to drop that dependency
      > as in cults like eckankar.
      >
      > I also think your example of running the open expanse without worrying
      > about making mistakes is very good advice--because try as hard as we
      > might, we are not perfect. To seek perfection is probably not healthy in
      > the long run for anyone! So why worry about it? : ) Perhaps, people
      prefer
      > following leaders (spiritual and otherwise), because they fear that open
      > run! But in order to unleash that freedom after being indoctrinated in
      > a cult and man-made religious teachings, one would need to see himself
      > as his own master--using the little "m" might be the better way to show
      > this, though? Certainly, enjoying one's life can't be achieved if
      one is
      > worrying about becoming/being perfect.
      >
      > Anyway, I'm enjoying reading "The Kite Runner,"--just a few pages into
      > it, and I must say it looks like excellent reading. Amir, the young
      boy, is
      > confronting his father about what his mullah is teaching him in
      school. It
      > seems that Amir's father is a sinner of sorts, so Amir is confused.
      His father
      > helps to explain to his son that "first . . . you'll never learn
      anything of value
      > from those bearded idiots." His father goes on to explain, "no
      matter what the
      > mullah teaches, there is only one sin, only one. And that is theft.
      Every other
      > sin is a variation of theft." I must admit that I never thought of
      theft as
      > encompassing all sins, but this is a good point. The theft of one's
      mastership
      > by a mullah, a mahanta, or any other supposedly religious guru is a sin!
      > So, claiming self-mastery is important in getting out of the bonds
      of a cult.
      > Harold Klemp who professes something he is not, the greatest
      consciousness
      > known to mankind, is a big fat sinner! And just as much an idiot as
      those
      > bearded idiot mullahs! : )
      >
      > Mish
      >
      > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "Non ekster"
      > <eckchains@> wrote:
      > >
      > > I see a lot of posts referring to being your own Master as a way to
      > > escape the Cult Dogma of ECKANKAR's godman, but I must admit that
      > > sometimes I wonder what this means. The LEM is supposed to be
      > > basically infallible. It sounds sometimes like being your own MASTER
      > > also means that you are infallible, without needing a godman, that you
      > > are your own god. That is also a lot of pressure for someone to put on
      > > themselves.
      > >
      > > Wouldn't it be better to say that you are your own person living as
      > > best you can and learning every day, yet realizing that we all make
      > > mistakes and are not perfect. Maybe there is no ultimate answer.
      > >
      > > Maybe it is enough to just realize that you are not a slave or a dog
      > > on a collar and leash, and just run for the open expanse, even if that
      > > means that we don't know what we are doing half the time.
      > >
      > > I'd rather have that than some false security.
      > >
      >
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