Is Rebazar Still the LEM/Mahanta?
- Hi All,
I can see why Klemp thought up the "Z" for his
spiritual name, although, his Black Magician mentor
(DG) suggested adding the "Wah." [Soul Travelers
of the Far Country, CH. 7]
HK's childhood church was the "Z"ion Evangelical
Lutheran Church and then HK was writing about
"Z"sa "Z"sa his farm cat story for "The Wind of Change"
[CH. 2] in 1980 when he first met with DG in that Sound
Proof Dark Room at the ESC ("Soul Travelers of the Far
Country," CH. 7). Count up the number of times Klemp
mentions Zsa Zsa in "Wind of Change" [Change is Change
still?] HK types "Z" in this story 46 times! I can see why
he "dreamed" of this or had it in his subconscious mind.
Yes, Klemp was Not born On or Near a large body of water
Nor was he the first born, therefore, No Virgin Birth! If this
Shariyat standard Isn't applied to him then does it apply to
If Not, then it must all be a lie! Did Klemp lie to Darwin and
to the ECKANKAR Board of Trustees (about this criteria), or
did they even ask? It seems that Klemp and his cohorts, as
well as the delusional and blind followers, simply apply the
CATCH-22 rule! Whenever it becomes necessary he/they offer
up excuses in order for Klemp to maintain his power role!
Misery loves company it would seem!
So, what has Klemp done in 25 years?
1. Moved the ESC to MN. to hide finances even though
this was what he used to boot Gross.
2. Slowed Down Initiations (Spiritual Growth) for ECKists!
3. Created the RESA Hierarchy & RESA Police
4. Made Eckankar into "The Religion of... God" versus SUGMAD!
5. "Written" a bunch of simple-minded, redundant, feel good
books with the help of "stories" & IRO's by his chelas.
5. Built a Temple, an (outdoor) Chapel, a new ESC building.
6. Moved himself and other high profile ESC staffers to
the very up-scale neighborhood of Eden Prairie, MN.
7. Established "Guidelines" and Leadership Books depicting
proper versus wrong behaviour. Yes, there IS such a thing
as Right and Wrong within Eckankar, although, many die hard
old time ECKists will parrot the old (PT/DG?) quote that, "there
is No right or wrong!" If this was true then Darwin and Graham,
etc. did No Wrong and should Not have been punished!
8. Like with Twitchell's embellishment of facts to get into
"Who's Who in Kentucky" Klemp follows PT's lead in order to
establish respect and credibility outside of the Eckankar church
by getting into the "International Who's Who of Intellectuals,"
(for a fee) although, HK has only a Two Year Junior College
9. HK uses the "Catch-22 rule" in order to enlist "change"
within the Shariyats (Holy Books of Eckankar) so that a female
(Joan his wife) could become a LEM/Mahanta.
Also, isn't it interesting that 500 year old Rebazar taught
and initiated Twitchell and filled in as LEM/Mahanta for
the 35 days after Twitchell's death until a new LEM/Mahanta
was installed?! I think this is interesting because Rebazar
[the (temporary?) LEM] Did Not choose Gross to replace Paul
as the Shariyat states. Instead, Gail claims to have had a
dream where Paul chose Gross and then she had the ECKANKAR
Board support her claims for her lover and future husband
to become the LEM/Mahanta! However, Paul was NOT a "LIVING"
ECK Master when Gail had her so called dream. Was Gross
really the LEM/Mahanta (who chose Klemp), or was REBAZAR
still the LEM/Mahanta (after those 35 days) and STILL remains
the True LEM/Mahanta today!
This would make sense when one views Klemp's unstable comments
and actions back in 1970, with No Meaningful Change or new insights
in 1989, or 2000 and his current "Restrooms are Unisex" comments
to that white-haired lady because he can't hold his bladder! Oh, and
let's not forget those nasty comments about that Temporary Postal
Clerk in the 09/2003 H.I. Letter! Would 2nd initiate Jesus, let alone
Rebazar Tarzs, behave like Klemp and behave in a negative way and
use nasty comments? Really, WWJD or WWRD compared to WHKD!
Klemp has been very secretive about his origins. One can
imagine that he might be protecting his family for one thing--
after all, he is from a respectable farm family in the Appleton WI
area, one that was very involved and instrumental in establishing
the Evangelical Lutheran Church in that area.
But beyond the shielding the family from an invasion of their
privacy, there seems to be more. Klemp not being able to claim
a virgin birth has to be a big one! How can eckists read the Shariyat,
their bible, and still believe in the validity of the teachings? It is
really strange how some people can accept distortions and lies,
thus becoming distorters and liars instead of spiritually evolved
beings. They twist facts, they overlook the blatant lies and avoid
truth at any cost. It is really sad how these individuals (long time
eckists) continue to embrace a false prophet and a ridiculously
made up new age religion!
I would really like some big wig, big mouth eckists like Steve R
or Mark A explain away Klemp's not being born of a virgin--I'd
like them or some other zealot eckist explain away this fact!
Klemp was not the first born son/child of a virgin mother--he really
cannot claim this--Klemp's ancestry can be clearly found in a
genealogical search! How can any of these eckists regard Klemp as
any sort of master, let alone an eck master/mahanta! It's laughable
It seems the Internet is a big problem in Klemp and Co. being able
to keep the eckankar lies alive! LOL! But it is mind boggling to watch
how long time eckists continue to cling to the sinking ship of
p.s. eckists who continue to follow Klemp and the eck org while
discarding truth are clearly zealots and fanatics! According to Webster's
Dictionary, "fanatic and zealot both suggest extreme or excessive
devotion. Fanatic further implies unbalanced or obsessive behavior. . . . "
I guess many eckists are drawn to the crazy teachings and its unbalanced
leader Klemp like magnets! They're just sort of sucked in and get stuck.
The Shariyat 1, Chapter 6, page 111-112 states:
"The Mahanta is always Born NEAR or ON a Large
Body of Water. His birth is Always Mysterious,
and Men of Ordinary Birth Do Not Know his Origin.
Nor Does any man Know Who his Sires might be,
their True Names, or their True Origin. The ECK
enters into the womb of a Virgin, the queen of
heaven, who is submitted to the true spirit of the
universe. The consciousness of the Mahanta state
is planted as the seed and carefully nurtured in the
womb. When the embodiment of flesh is brought
into this world, a MAN-CHILD is born... Then the
chosen one learns that he is the Living ECK Master
of his times."
Look at what the Shariyat has said!
1.) Harold was Not born "near" or "on" a "large body
of water!" 2.) His birth was Not "mysterious!" 3.) We
Do know of his "Origin" (Appleton, WI. area). 4.)
With just some research one can find out the "true
names" of his "Sires" and their "true origin." 5.) And,
Harold was Not the First Child born to his mother and,
therefore, he Did Not have a "Virgin" Birth!
Therefore, according to the Shariyat Klemp is a fraud!
HK Doesn't live up to any of these standards of criteria!
Tom Flamma must have been referring to someone else
(standing in that circle) as the "true Mahanta." Besides,
HK stated that he was standing on the fringe or outside
edge of that group of ECKists Tom was speaking to! HK
might not have been included in Flamma's comments in
the first place. Therefore, Klemp just wormed his way in
and manipulated the situation with Gross. I wonder,
Who's the real Mahanta and is he an ECKist?
BTW - If the ECK Bible (the Shariyat) states that only
a MAN-CHILD is born as the LEM and Mahanta does this
mean that Joan is out too! Does it matter that someone
like HK is Not who or what he's supposed to be (the real
Who's lying here? Is it Twitchell? Or, is it the Shariyat-
Ki-Sugmad (ECK Bible), or Klemp? Is Klemp just another
impersonator and insane clown that thinks one can instill
a meaningful "change" in consciousness by shouting
"Restrooms are Unisex!" What ever happened to "Raising
Consciousness" and focusing on the raising of the
consciousness of those long-time Chelas (some) should
be Two Initiations Higher by now!
Attracting new members is meaningless, unless, all one is
seeking is more revenue via required annual membership
donations, EK materials sales, local donations, etc. Oh!
I guess it is all meaningless for ECKists! It does feel good
if you're a 7th (ESA or RESA), and even better if you're an
8th, and better yet for 9ths! But, the best feeling comes
when one is a "former" ECKist! Free at last! No more B.S.
Trainings and Vahana intros or guidelines to follow and
hoops to jump through! Long-time Chelas never really
received anything of substance (spiritual meat). It was
always give, give, give with the hope of promises fulfilled
after this lifetime!