Nervous Giggles on HU-Chat?! Will J.K. Still Colour Her Hair?
- Will the next LEM (Joan) still colour her hair? Isn't
this a sign of vanity? Shouldn't Joan show her true
colours... white and grey! LOL!
Isn't it ironic that Klemp wants ECKists to conform
to EK dogma and to follow his Guidelines and Not
to be "Defiant." Except, getting around rules is the
fun of it all. That's the American Way and the way
of Soul... to be free at last!
And, it's interesting that many ECKists are afraid to
comment on Klemp's nutty seminar talk. They don't
want to end up Black-Listed on initiations or for that
futuristic ESA or RESA position! The EK Law of Silence
really means... keep your mouth shut or else! Play the
Game and you will, eventually, be rewarded with a fake
initiation and more mental delusions.
Yep! Change is Change and Dat's Dat!
Weren't 8th Initiates Millie (Workman) Moore and
Helen Baird "White-Haired Old Ladies?" Wasn't Klemp's
93 year old mother (died in 2005) a White-Haired
Old Lady? Why put down Women and those who are
Old and White-Haired? Where the respect and Non-
Interference? Klemp was always judging and finding
fault with others even before he joined Eckankar. He
never takes responsibility and always points out the
flaws of others.
BTW - Isn't Joan, also, a White-Haired Old Lady under
that fake colour?
Is it possible that Klemp could have knocked on the
Ladies Restroom door and shouted... anyone in there?
And then said, (when she replied) Oh, sorry! Instead,
Klemp never apologizes for his nutty behaviour ever!
Instead, he turns it around and makes the experience
into a lesson for others... never himself!
So, will local ECKists now contact the Chanhassen
Newspaper, etc. to tell seekers that ECKANKAR is doing
a push to have Unisex Restrooms Nationwide because
their leader (and Modern Prophet) had a revelation about
change! Was the Law of Non-Interference put on hold
so that Klemp could do as he pleased while making it
look like a White-Haired Woman needed Change? Klemp
breaks Spiritual Laws and uses the "I'm changing her/their
consciousness" (Catch-22) excuse.
Was HK potty trained properly? Freud stated that
improper potty training can cause a person to become
anal retentive or controlling and impulsive.
I saw a Zurich Insurance Commercial - "Change Happens!"
On Another Note- What Post-"ECK" experiences have other
former-ECKists been having?
I went to a garden supply store today to buy some loose
rock for use inside the edging and around two trees I recently
I had two bags of rock I bought for something else and
thought I should buy about eight more bags. I told the guy
loading the bags of rocks into my truck that a bag of fertilizer
he had sold me had a hole in it and that I spilled some of the
He said he was sorry about that and that they usually check
the bags. So, he decided to give me two extra bags of rock
as compensation. I thanked him! This gave me 12 bags total.
As it turned out (to do the job right) I needed six bags of rock
for each tree! It worked out perfectly! Now, an ECKist would
give the Mahanta credit for this! But, as Soul, I've discovered
that I don't! I don't need a middleman. This is what happens
when Soul discovers Spiritual Freedom and "tweaks" Its Flow
with Spirit directly.
MARK ALEXANDER wrote (on HU-Chat):
"I always listen to Harold's talk as if they were
Living Shariyat dreams to be DECODED or as
ECK-Vidya tapestries that have an inherent &
unity and integration."
[ME] How much decoding is necessary for H.I.s like
Mark?! Klemp has stated, before, that all words and
thoughts are NO Higher than the Mental Plane. Isn't
Mark a 6th initiate? Where's that "inner" communication
and Knowingness of a Higher Initiate? Oops! It's not
there is it! But not to worry... just "imagine" that it's
there via one's 20/20 hind-sight vision. That's why
Mark has to (now) grab at straws in order to "see."
H.I.s can't admit that their ECK initiations are worthless!
BTW-Why isn't PT's ECK-VIDYA offered anymore?
MA: "SOMETIMES I THINK people forget that Harold is
not just telling stories to get a chuckle, that there is a
literal Mahanta wave of meaning and communication
going on that penetrates deeper than what is actually
being said when read in transcript. First of all, he's always
talking about us, the ECK initiates, in one way or another.
So in that context, WE are the WHITE-HAIRED LADY in
the WOMEN's RESTROOM that HAROLD TALKED ABOUT."
[ME] Well, once again, Mark is giving his bias opinion
as though he has the best (and only) inside interpretation
of what HK was really saying. Is Mark now Klemp's unofficial
(PR) spokes-person and second guessing the Mahanta?
And, aren't all of HK's talks (WORDS), writings, and thoughts
NO HIGHER than the Mental Plane! This is what Klemp has
stated! However, WHY would Mark think that ALL ECKists
(including H.I.s) were NO MORE ADVANCED (regarding
change) than an Old White-Haired Female Non-ECKist?
But Yes, it is true that HK is preparing the ECK membership
for Joan to become the next LEM. Klemp doesn't trust
Peter, Don, Doug or anyone else except Joan. Look at how
he treated Gross! Other than Joan, the next LEM could toss
out Klemp's books and bring Twitchell's back and Klemp
would lose his 50% ($) royalties.
MA: "Remember when we used to be ducks?
('I moved the food over here, but the ducks stayed where
they were. I told them the food had moved and that they
would starve if they didn' t move, but they just stayed in
the same place, looking for the food that wasn't there.'
[ME] I've fed ducks before. They will find the food!
Have you ever heard that you can lead a horse to water
but you can't make him drink? Besides, it's doing the
ducks a disservice to make them dependent upon people
for food. But, then again, this is what the Mahanta/LEM
does by making ECKists Dependent. No Spiritual Freedom
Here and Now... but maybe after this life, eventually?!
Well, this is the hope, belief, dream, promise, and
imaginings that all religions make to their followers.
MA: "Remember parables? Even true stories are parables,
(especially when they involve Harold and Joan.) In the restroom
story (abbreviated version), Harold and Joan were shopping.
Joan went to the restroom, found a White-Haired Lady
waiting for the Women's room. The Men's room was
Not occupied, so Joan asked the lady why she didn't use it.
The women said that it was for men only. Harold said
that he and Joan have a policy of using 'Any Port in the
Storm.' So Joan went into the Men's room."
[ME] "Even true stories are parables, (especially when
they involve Harold and Joan)." What a joke! Klemp can't
even hold a light to 2nd initiate JESUS! Look at the quality
and meaning of the original Parables that Jesus gave
2,000 years ago, and of Klemp's paltry imitations he
uses today! BTW- Did Joan have to go that bad! And,
didn't the door have a lock on it? If there were no locks
on the doors these must have been been larger restrooms.
And, it seems this problem the Klemp's have with needing
to use the opposite gender's restroom happens often!
I guess that the Mahanta and future LEM (Joan) can't even
get a Parking Space either! Is the Parking Space Angel
"higher" than the Mahanta?! LOL!
MA: "Meanwhile, Harold comes along looking for a restroom,
finds the Men's room locked, so he tries the Women's room.
It's unlocked, he enters, and of course the white-haired lady
is there. She looks at him shocked. 'But this is the Women's
room!' she says. Harold says as far as he's concerned the
restrooms are Unisex. He mused that he wondered at how
the ECK used him to change the state of conciousness of
the white-haired woman."
[ME] Okay, I wonder WHY the woman didn't lock the door?
I guess she "assumed" she was safe! It seems that the
"spiritual" lesson Klemp taught her was to LOCK THE DOOR
the next time in order to keep the perverts out! BTW-If
a restroom is UNISEX it will have both male/female
symbols next to the door and will be for ONE person!
Klemp is such an idiot! HK doesn't see that the ECK
intended the LESSON to change HIS state of consciousness!
MA: "This story puts a cap on a particularly nice Living
Word aspect of this talk. I've seen on many occasions
how Harold will say something that will tweak the human
consciousness (political or social or eck-related), then
in the same talk there would be a story that addresses
what he tweaks. This is how the Living Word works."
[ME] Mark needs to re-read and comprehend the EK
Guidelines of Klemp's because "eck-related" S/B
ECK-related. "ECK" needs to be in all caps! Yet, Mark
claims to be an "expert" on anything and everything
ECK and even puts words (and their meanings) into
Klemp's mouth! When did Klemp ever have an opinion
of current politics? Mark is using his distorted imagination
and reading things into Klemp's Mental Plane (or lower)
words. ECKists are taught to create their own imaginary
heavenly worlds in order to feel free of fear. Besides,
Klemp always talks of or makes innuendos from past
events rather than the "Living" present. And, maybe
this white-haired (old) woman was more startled because
of the increase in crime, especially, sexual ones! Klemp
should keep current with the Here and Now. Remember
Larry Craig! And, What is HK teaching the ECK YOUTH?
Is it okay for a Female 10 year old ECKist to use the
MENs RESTROOM? Is this the type of parent Klemp was?
MA: "Earlier in his talk when Joan was singing, she got a
little lost in singing the complete song and so it went
on longer than it should have."
[ME] And this 9th initiate will become the LEM! What
happened to the GREATER and HIGHER AWARENESS
(than non-ECKists) that the ECK Initiations are supposed
to bring? Shouldn't the standards be higher as well?!
MA: "Harold made a comment about her going on
like that, and how sometimes at home he would have
to say something if she talks too long. It was a very
male/female comment. One that tweaked the human
consciousness of some ECKists. I had some come up
to me and ask me my opinion of it. Did I think Harold
was being unkind to Joan? It bothered them."
[ME] It bothered them for a reason! They had a glimpse
of the Truth! They had a glimpse of the Wizard of oZ
standing behind curtain (veil of lies). This was a Male
versus Female comment that you are trying to "tweak"
in order to maintain your delusion. ECKists fear the
Truth and that's why they need to deny it. Delusion
feels good, especially, with the "guarantee" those fake
initiations are to bring... in the future.
MA: "I explained what I have here. That the Mahanta
as the Living Word will often say something that tweaks
the human consciousness and then tie it up later in a
story. Not that this was planned. It's just the way of the
ECK to work like this. The Living Word."
[ME] Other people in other religions believe the same
according to their dogma. This is the KAL trap/test
involving all religions! Soul is It's own Living Word
with SPIRIT (ECK) and needs no middleman. That's
what religion teaches!
MA: "So here we have Harold tweaking us on the
male/female thing and then later tells us a story that
tries to remind us not to get stuck in male/female
categories. That they are fine, but we should not be
like the white-haired lady, stuck in one or the other.
We should be thinking Unisex, SOUL, beyond the
[ME] Shouldn't 30-45 year EK H.I.s have learned this
stuff by now? This is WHY I believe that Klemp has
taken PT's ECKANKAR in the opposite direction after
25 years in charge! Yes, HK just needs to keep that
initiation carrot dangling! It makes these H.I.s feel
secure, elevated, and hopeful.
MA: "Change is Change (the title of the talk). Harold's story
about the song Joan sang and going back to the ORIGINAL
song reminds us that the human consciousness likes to
change things. If you sing the song I posted separately,
you may notice that your human consciousness wants to
change it. But as it is, it offers a sublime "spaciousness"
that the mind would wrongly fill. Singing it the original
way offers sublime transport that the changes would destroy.
Furthermore, these worlds of categories complicate things
with male/ female categories."
[ME] "Change is Change" and Religion is Religion!
So, did the Human Consciousness, also, change the
song "Amazing Grace" into "Amazing HU?" Did the
Mind of an ECKist "Wrongly Fill" or change this song
(Amazing HU) from the "original" version? Sure!
MA: "The role of the Mahanta is to offer the 'simplifying'
change of going & back to the original, the Word, the HU,
the path of ECK that first leads us to Soul then to God
through the Mahanta. He is the agent of change sent by
the ECK into our bathroom to tweak us out of our stuck,
WHITE-HAIRED OLD LADY views. My opinion. Your mileage
may vary. HU Mark_"
[ME] When did the "original" Mahanta come on the
scene? In the OCTOBER 2004 LETTER of LIGHT a 10
year old from Alberta, Canada asks: "How did the
Mahanta start?" Klemp states: "So the short answer,
Quinton, is that the SUGMAD first incarnated ITSELF
as the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master in the PRESENT
KALI YUGA." What happened to SAT NAM? Klemp is
Changing ECK History! And, How about GEUTAN?
Look at page 78 in Klemp's own LexiCon! The Kali
Yuga began in the Dark Age or Iron Age and the Iron
Age began around 500 B.C. Yet, Geutan is listed as
a former Mahanta/LEM in Lemuria (during the Tretya
Is It True, Necessary, and Kind Mr. Klemp?!
> In the Oct. 2007 Letter of Light a female EK
> Youth asks HK, "Do you ever get angry?"
> Klemp replies, "Shhh-h-h-h! Can you keep
> a secret? Good. Well, so can I."
> Surprise Harry! It's no secret! We know you
> get angry and hold grudges all the time!
> Look at your comments to that Temporary
> Postal Clerk etc., etc.
> In Klemp's 2007 EWWS Saturday evening talk
> Klemp insults Joan by saying she talks too much,
> then insults a female victim of an attempted suicide,
> and then Klemp insults a white haired old lady for
> protesting an unwanted invasion of her right to
> privacy and safety in a public restroom!
> And, notice in the reply to this 17 year old female
> ECK Youth HK shushes her with a "Shhh-h-h-h."
> Will Joan become the LEM (in training) next Oct. 22nd?
> Probably! But Klemp will still be disrespectful of her
> and of all women. More on that and his 2007 EWWS
> talk later!