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Re: ECKANKAR: September 2007 "The H.I. Letter"

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  • prometheus_973
    Hi Steve, Here are the keys to what you are looking for: June 2007 H.I. Letter (first sentence) The Mahanta reaches out for seekers in surprising ways.
    Message 1 of 3 , Sep 8, 2007
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      Hi Steve,
      Here are the keys to what you are looking for:

      June 2007 H.I. Letter (first sentence)
      "The Mahanta reaches out for seekers in surprising ways."
      [Mahanta]

      Sept. 2007 H.I. Letter (first sentence)
      "Finding God is the sole purpose of your life."
      [Finding]

      Prometheus


      "Steve" wrote:
      >
      > Prometheus,
      > You are a very insightful writer. I enjoy reading your comments.
      > It makes me feel better about the photos of Harry I have been
      > posting at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/funwithharry/
      >
      > There are now over 120 pictures of Harry in riduculous situations.
      > Drop by and have a look.
      >
      > Also, if you have it, could you post the 'word' for access what is
      > below?
      > ==========
      > Guidelines for ECK High Initiates
      > Additional login required. User name is "eckhi" and password is the
      > first word of six or more characters in the body of Sri Harold's
      > article in the current issue of the H.I. Letter. (Password changes
      > one month after each new issue is mailed.)
      > ==========
      > Thanks
      > Steve
      >
      >
      > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
      > <prometheus_973@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hello All,
      > > Klemp speaks of "Tomorrow" as he continues to make
      > > promises that he can never keep. Have you ever seen
      > > those whimsical signs stating: Free Beer Tomorrow!
      > > This is pretty much the same thing.
      > >
      > > ECKists are not directly told to use their imaginations
      > > in this article, although, doing so is always implied
      > > and KEY in regard to having "unique" experiences that
      > > are actually common to Non-ECKists as well. There can
      > > be NO comparisons to other realities, or possibilities,
      > > when living with blinders on and within the bubble of
      > > ECKANKAR's delusional dogma.
      > >
      > > HK: "Finding God is the sole purpose of your life. In a
      > > sense, it is like the old saying: 'All roads lead to Rome.'
      > >
      > > ME: BTW-No "roads" lead to SPIRIT. It's still an Individual
      > > "PATH." ECKANKAR is a "road" to Religion. And, the old
      > > saying of 'All roads lead to Rome' was wrong anyway! It
      > > was an exaggeration or pov because it only seemed like
      > > this was true for their part of the world, at that time, and
      > > from their limited and bias perspective. Then again, is
      > > Klemp really saying, 'All roads (Religions) lead to Rome
      > > (God)?' See, once again H.I.s are to fill-in the blanks and
      > > imagine a happy version of a lower reality, EK, as being
      > > the "Highest."
      > >
      > > HK: "BUT first you needed to learn the reason for that
      > > gnawing hunger you had inside you before coming to
      > > ECKANKAR. With tiny, trembling steps, you made your
      > > way into an uncertain TOMORROW."
      > >
      > > ME: Is Klemp doing a review of his own past feelings?
      > > Too bad that the ECK Youth never went through this
      > > stage before entering ECKANKAR! On the other hand
      > > I always knew the reason for my "gnawing hunger"
      > > because I was a seeker of God/Truth at a very young
      > > age. However, I didn't take "tiny, trembling steps" as
      > > Klemp had. I, sometimes, went where angels feared to
      > > tread and didn't concern myself with "tomorrow."
      > > Perhaps, due to Klemp's advancing age, he is now
      > > more fearful of "tomorrow."
      > >
      > > HK: "TOMORROW always comes and then drifts on like
      > > a dream that never was."
      > >
      > > ME: Actually, "tomorrow" never comes because it lies in
      > > an eternal FUTURE. There is always the PRESENT and the
      > > PAST. This is the reality that we work with and use daily
      > > in order to practice what we preach via life experiences
      > > for Soul's unfoldment. If one can't get this reality right
      > > then there's no purpose for Soul to escape in dreams
      > > or other imagined "realities."
      > >
      > > HK: "TOMORROW bows before all the TOMORROWS
      > > to come. And they routinely appear until consumed
      > > by no-time, no-space, no-thing. All gone!"
      > >
      > > ME: Klemp seems kind of confused. "Tomorrow" only
      > > exists in the realm of time and space. "Tomorrow" is
      > > a Lower World Mental concept. "NO-THING" should
      > > not be compared to a time/space concept even though
      > > it SEEMS LIKE "tomorrow" is Eternal.
      > >
      > > HK: "TOMORROWS are like spent booster rockets that
      > > have lifted their payloads into outer space, then fall
      > > away, unneeded."
      > >
      > > ME: So! Klemp previously said that "tomorrows routinely
      > > appear until consumed by... no-space, no-thing." Now
      > > tomorrows "are like spent booster rockets" going "into
      > > outer space." Klemp contradicts himself and doesn't even
      > > see it!
      > >
      > > HK: "You eventually come to see TOMORROWS for what
      > > they are. They merely serve as doors, windows, or
      > > instruments to help you on your way to finding God."
      > >
      > > ME: Strange. Klemp mentioned that "tomorrows" were
      > > consumed until they were "All gone!" Now "they are
      > > instruments" like "doors, windows." ECKists will probably
      > > explain Klemp's confusion in terms of a paradox. I'd
      > > grab at straws, too, if I was still an ECKist! Besides,
      > > haven't H.I.s already discovered their own truth concerning
      > > "tomorrow" by now? I have! So, why is Klemp giving his
      > > philosophy of "tomorrow?" Unless, it's on the minds of
      > > the older chelas (himself included) as they fear the near
      > > (tomorrow) conclusion of their lives. Klemp should have
      > > much more fear than his trusting chelas. He knows that
      > > he's a phoney and a liar!
      > >
      > > HK: "So love the Mahanta. Trust him. For he is the
      > > Wayshower, the one who has been there, found God."
      > >
      > > ME: What ever happened to the ECK (SPIRIT) or to
      > > SUGMAD? Or, is the Mahanta just a concept that has
      > > nothing to do with Klemp. IMO Twitchell created the
      > > "MAHANTA" for himself only. It's purpose was to Not
      > > Only give himself ultimate authority and power over
      > > his critics and chelas, while at the same time, he saw
      > > this title or image as a model for Beingness and a goal
      > > to be realized in the Here and Now by "acting as if" it
      > > had already been reached in order to give it momentum
      > > in an expanding reality. Unfortunately the concept only
      > > led to more delusion himself and his followers in a
      > > promised land called "tomorrow."
      > >
      > > HK: "He can choose the right roads, pick the best
      > > rest stops, and thus bring you to your destination
      > > by the most advantageous route."
      > >
      > > ME: So is the Mahanta now like GPS? Why is ECKANKAR
      > > a Co-dependent religion like all others? When do H.I.s
      > > achieve the promises of Self-Mastery and Spiritual
      > > Freedom... TOMORROW! LOL!
      > >
      > > Klemp then pads the rest of his article with comments
      > > from The RESA STAR by three other ECKists and one
      > > is a Second Initiate!
      > >
      > > HK: 'Elizabeth,' a longtime High Initiate... says, 'In my
      > > spiritual life, I'm searching for even deeper answers--
      > > to life, to God--and then I find it all boils down to
      > > oneself. We become master of ourself, and it is all
      > > up to me. To living in the eternal moment, for it's
      > > all I have.'
      > >
      > > ME: Yes! There is no "Mahanta" other than Your Self!
      > > Live in the eternal moment of NOW. Not in a "tomorrow."
      > >
      > > It's, also, interesting that this longtime H.I. is still
      > > 'searching for even deeper answers--to life, to God'
      > > when she has had Klemp, the LEM/Mahanta, to lead
      > > her and to teach her on the outer and Inner for 25 years
      > > himself! Yet, she is still hungry for spiritual food!
      > > What good and purpose does Klemp serve, unless,
      > > it's only as a feel good distraction of more promises
      > > fulfilled "Tomorrow."
      > >
      > > Prometheus
      > >
      >
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