RUMI: The Wisdom Notes 09/2007
- Was RUMI a 2nd ECK Initiate like JESUS was?
Klemp never addresses this or states what
level of initiation Rumi was as "a follower
And, is ECK just another term for SPIRIT and
is different from the teachings (religion) of
ECKANKAR? Sometimes "ECK" was used, by
Twit, as a shortened version of ECKANKAR.
Klemp states: "... there are plenty of other
people we know [other than ECK Masters]
whom we would rightly put into the 'wise'
category. BUT wisdom to us may be sheer
FOOLISHNESS in the opinion of others, and
THEY MAY BE RIGHT... Wisdom is a spiritual
state. This state exists among ECKists and
So, Klemp is admitting that others' opinions
of ECKists for being FOOLS "May Be Right!"
And that even Non-ECKists can be as wise
as (or wiser) than ECKists! It would seem that
even Klemp can't help but be truthful once
in awhile. Or, was this a Freudian slip? LOL!
Still, it seems like Klemp is putting Marman
in his place, as a subservient Lower (than him)
Initiate, in this Wisdom Notes. Klemp needs to
one-up Marman by saying, "I would strongly
recommend any of Coleman Bark's versions"
of Rumi's poetry.
However, the reason that Marman uses A.J.
Arberry's translations is because Coleman
Bark's Does Not speak Persian (Farsi). Instead
Barks took the better translations of Arberry
and then rephrases them and even creates titles
for the poems. This is why, for some of Bark's
books, Arberry is listed as a resource. However,
due to the additions and rephrasing, Bark's has
lost much of the accuracy and the original character
of Rumi's poetry. These inaccuracies do not seem
to bother Klemp. Then again, look at all of the
editing and omissions HK's done with Twitchell's
Thus, is it any wonder that Klemp would choose
a more inaccurate version of Rumi's original text?
No, not really! Afterall, Klemp also uses the
most inaccurate translation of the Christian
Bible (the King James version) for his Bible quotes
There are a number of misleading statements
and impressions made by Klemp in this September
2007 Wisdom Notes. Chelas should remember that
RUMI was a follower of ISLAM and worshiped a 2nd
or 4th Plane God called Allah (i.e the Kal or Satan).
Refer to page 385 in Klemp's Autobiography and to
the index of the Shariyats for Kal and Satan. Rumi
is Not speaking of the SUGMAD in his poetry!
Therefore, what point is Klemp making by referring
ECKists to read Rumi who was only a "follower of ECK"
in It's Lower Plane form? Why not read the words of
Jesus in a better version of Christian Bible? Or, read
And, What ever happened to Twitchell's ECK poetry?
Why isn't the "highest" ECK Poetry offered for ECKists
to contemplate upon? Why isn't the original ECK Poetry
of Twitchell offered in "Satsang" Seminar Book Rooms
or from ECKANKAR.org? Shouldn't Twitchell's poetry
(a MAHANTA!) have more value for ECK chelas than
Also, Where's Klemp's poetry? Why can't the "ALL
KNOWING" (and intellectual) current 25 year Mahanta
write a book of poems? Can't Klemp write anything
Yes, I find it interesting that Klemp seems to have
the need to put Marman in his place by recommending
Coleman Bark's watered-down translations over that of
A.J. Arberry's who Marman quotes. It's actually somewhat
passive/aggressive of Klemp. Maybe this is Klemp's ploy
to regain his leadership/expert position on all subjects
in order to play-the-game better, or the Catch-22 "role"
of Mahanta (acting as if) that Twitchell created. HK seems
to be competing with Marman, apparently, Marman
won't be HK's choice to pass the ROD to.
Yes, it seems Klemp is feeling a little bit threatened by
Marman's expertise on Rumi, etc., and with Doug's
popularity and high profile status. Therefore, Klemp
felt the need to make a power play (of sorts) to regain
the attention and respect of chelas which (HK thinks)
Marman has stolen from him.